Petition: disable "Banned from displaying..." signature and leave it blank

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

The sig banned message is passing a loud message to who ever sees it. You commit plagiarism, you get punished so I don't support the idea of removing it.

I wasn't even aware of this until I read OP's post.  I

Their sig field is blank only when they will post and on all of their previous post. This message is only displayed when you click to view profile. The message will be loud and clear when you make this ban message as their sig. message on all the post they posted till now.

I was speaking about viewing their profile that's why I said "the sig banned message is passing a loud message to who ever sees it" if it was displaying on every post of theirs then everyone can see it but as it only display on the profile, (you'll have to view profile to see it that's why I said who ever sees it).

BTW: it'll be a brilliant idea if those sig banned message will be displayed on all their past, present and future post

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[LoyceV]

If anything needs to change, I'd say the "Banned from displaying signatures until"-message should be visible under all their posts. That way, it can be used as a warning for others.

[o_e_l_e_o]

I totally agree with the OP. Those signature bans are not working out, stupid idea, let's go back to permabans - lets bitching that way.

It's getting ridiculous. We have this thread, complaining that the tiny little warning only visible on their profile page is too much. We've had another thread complaining that a year or two is too long, and it should only be a few months instead. Next I'm sure we'll see a thread saying a complete signature ban is too much, and instead it should just be a signature downgrade to the next rank down, or something equally silly.

The punishment for plagiarism has just been downgraded from life imprisonment to 12 month parole, and still the spammers want more leniency.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

The punishment for plagiarism has just been downgraded from life imprisonment to 12 month parole, and still the spammers want more leniency.

I can't speak for this guy and I'm against his idea but the suggestion i made few days ago wasn't out of me been a spammer but I was just trying to contribute to the suggestions coming from different members of the forum.  The administratorss are experimenting better solutions to combating plagiarism and always open to suggestions. You shouldn't generalize your statement.

A 1000-merit penalty (or deranking to Newbie) would be even better so that they would have to earn their way back.

[subSTRATA]

I can't speak for this guy and I'm against his idea but the suggestion i made few days ago wasn't out of me been a spammer but I was just trying to contribute to the suggestions coming from different members of the forum.  The administratorss are experimenting better solutions to combating plagiarism and always open to suggestions. You shouldn't generalize your statement.

lets take a look here:

I think for the most part, someone who is banned from wearing a signature is probably not going to be posting very much anyway, and mostly were here solely for the signature money.

Many of the reported posts weren't even part of a sig campaign. Just accounts trying to rank activity.

i think its fair to say that these two reasons make up the majority of cases of plagiarism; account farming and sig spam.
in addition:

And as far as the hurt feelings resulting from the 'scarlet letter' sig-banned members have to wear, I don't have much sympathy for them.  They're lucky they're still able to post instead of getting a permaban.  

In addition, I haven't heard any teasing or taunting yet and somehow I don't think it's really going to be an issue.  The vast majority of members here are just shitposting and wouldn't even bother to say anything negative about someone's sig message.  And I mean, come on.  This forum is freakin' brutal enough as it is.  If you don't have a thick skin, this isn't the forum for you.

i fully agree with this point, so  to follow, a proposal that i believe i havent seen yet:
remember that timer between posts? it requires you to wait 360 seconds between a post / pm / report for a newbie, and 4 seconds for hero members and up iirc. this is probably one of the most annoying things for actual users to go through as a newer member, so why not force this massive inconvenience onto plagiarizers? give them a special timer, something crippling, like 30 minutes (or even an hour) between actions on the forum.

i dont think this is a perfect solution by any means, but its an alternative that came to mind just now.

[Findingnemo]

If someone is trolling the one who got signature ban then its completely okay to be in my opinion because it is not going to hurt them personally and this can be the best punishment for their mistake which was done yesterday or few years back.

[bitart]

I totally agree with the OP. Those signature bans are not working out, stupid idea, let's go back to permabans - lets bitching that way.

Or the mods could decide to permaban someone (based on the quality (or the lack of quality) of his/her posts), or to give a second chance (sig.ban).
It's alway better to have a year sig ban, if you have an established account, because you would miss only one bull run, but you don't have to start you account from scratch...

[coinlocket$]

Signature abusers spammers should also have this feature.

[suchmoon]

Signature abusers spammers should also have this feature.

You mean getting sig bans for spamming? That's happening:

17 good reports against StephenJH on May 7th and they've logged on, but haven't made any new posts.

StephenJH came back on May 15th, spammed another 12 posts (all good reports) and now this shows on their profile:

Banned from displaying signatures until June 01, 2019, 03:57:24 PM

[coinlocket$]

You mean getting sig bans for spamming? That's happening:

Nope I mean when someone is caught for abusing signatures with alts accounts when is not allowed.

Later they can join new signatures bounties especially for shitcoins (cause if they are caught they will probably redtrusted) and create useless spam on the forum.

[SuperPandaBear]

I edited the post with this:

Edit: I didn't realize that the signature is not shown on every post, so there's nothing to discuss here anymore. I still believe people should be given second chances, specially when the mistakes were made ages ago and currently some of the banned people were better posters than people currently being on highly respected campaigns such as chipmixer.

If someone is trolling the one who got signature ban then its completely okay to be in my opinion because it is not going to hurt them personally and this can be the best punishment for their mistake which was done yesterday or few years back.

Some of the banned people has contributed better content than you do. So no, it's not completely okay to bash them because they did a mistake years ago, specially not someone like you, give me a fucking break.

[DarkStar_]

Nope I mean when someone is caught for abusing signatures with alts accounts when is not allowed.

Not against forum rules. That's up for the manager to deal with.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

I edited the post with this:

Edit: I didn't realize that the signature is not shown on every post, so there's nothing to discuss here anymore. I still believe people should be given second chances, specially when the mistakes were made ages ago and currently some of the banned people were better posters than people currently being on highly respected campaigns such as chipmixer.

Then you're better off locking topic since there's nothing to discuss here again and to prevent sig spamming also "people" i.e net positive and good for the forum users are getting a second chance so we good.

[HCP]

Or the mods could decide to permaban someone (based on the quality (or the lack of quality) of his/her posts), or to give a second chance (sig.ban).
It's alway better to have a year sig ban, if you have an established account, because you would miss only one bull run, but you don't have to start you account from scratch...

You do understand that "permaban" means "permanent ban" right?

The "person" is banned... so their original account is banned, any alts are banned and they are banned from making new accounts. There is NO "starting account from scratch" when you are permabanned.

[btcsmlcmnr]

I think that theymos has reasons to add such text in signature of permanent-banned users whom got temporary bans and signature bans after deeply review from admins or global moderators. Even theymos has never stated about the purposes of signature banned-text, I guess admin would want to do something:
Firstly, to remind banned-users a very strong Warning that this is a big rewards for them to come back (mostly due to their significant contributions in the past as well as minor, acceptable faults of plagiarism), and those users automatically receive the Warning every time they make each post. That is surely a very strong Warning, that repeatedly pops up and reminds those users for one- or two years-period with their posts.
Secondly, to remind other users in the forum about serious punishments of plagiarism, even users whom luckily enough to get alternative punishments.
Therefore, I think it is fine to leave such text in Signature space of unbanned users.

[ChiBitCTy]

I have no problem with my “I’m an idiot and fckd up” banner. I’d have accepted much worse.  I deserve it, and so does anyone else who had or will be issued one. We all make mistakes in life, it’s about acknowledging them, getting back up, correcting your mistakes, moving on, and doing better.

[mirakal]

Edit: I didn't realize that the signature is not shown on every post, so there's nothing to discuss here anymore.

If that's the case, then you can lock the thread now.

[Jet Cash]

They were good advertisers up until someone digged posts from 5 years ago to report them.

That comment really highlights the problem. This forum is an information exchange, and a self-help community. It isn't an unpaid billboard for advertising products - especially as some of them appear to be of questionable value.

[Sharon121212]

I would want the OP to see it this way. You cannot keep something hidden in a public forum, if you are advocating that they should remove the ban form display because(as some of your reasons implies) of some people might get trolled.

Should they also remove trust rate from showing because people will troll you for getting negative trust and some also troll for getting positive trust(they say he/she doesn't deserve it or might have gotten it from a click).

Or also should they remove merit count from displaying because people can also troll you for it when you don't have any merit you can get trolled and even when you do have can also still get trolled.
 
The forum is more concerned about upholding transparency than giving in to trolls, injustice, reputation of members etc. 
So I ask you is that not the right thing to do(even after been lenient)

[Halab]

If anything needs to change, I'd say the "Banned from displaying signatures until"-message should be visible under all their posts. That way, it can be used as a warning for others.

I don't know if it has been proposed (I haven't read Meta in the last few days), but I will add another line saying "Read the rules".
It would somehow become a "useful" sanction.