Is Blockchain the solution to gun violence?

[TECSHARE]

I'm done talking to a wall

Thank you for admitting you have no logical argument and your points are entirely emotionally based.

[JustAnotherSandman]

I see a lot of talk about "them" taking guns.. but I don't think that's what the article was really talking about.

While having all law abiding citizens register their weapons on a blockchain-based system would be nice, it's unlikely to gain traction.

However, using blockchain for a national ID system of sorts and utilize it to perform nationwide, state-by-state background checks for new purchases would help immensely.

As would using blockchain to force private sellers to perform quick, and instant BG checks

The current system is broken... people are getting weapons that should never even see one in person. A blockchain registration system could eliminate extensive waits for "complete" background checks. It would take the government middleman out of the equation. It would eliminate errors of state criminal records not showing up in the state search or otherwise being overlooked.

With the right infrastructure in place, gun purchases at shows would still be instant, foregoing the 5 day wait, BUT... we could be sure that it's not a career criminal that simply dresses well and knows how to speak to the seller.

The author brings up some additional points where blockchain could be utilized, yet likely be a bandaid or simply for "show." But using blockchain for new sales and purchases is a pretty brilliant idea in my opinion

[TECSHARE]

I see a lot of talk about "them" taking guns.. but I don't think that's what the article was really talking about.

While having all law abiding citizens register their weapons on a blockchain-based system would be nice, it's unlikely to gain traction.

However, using blockchain for a national ID system of sorts and utilize it to perform nationwide, state-by-state background checks for new purchases would help immensely.

As would using blockchain to force private sellers to perform quick, and instant BG checks

The current system is broken... people are getting weapons that should never even see one in person. A blockchain registration system could eliminate extensive waits for "complete" background checks. It would take the government middleman out of the equation. It would eliminate errors of state criminal records not showing up in the state search or otherwise being overlooked.

With the right infrastructure in place, gun purchases at shows would still be instant, foregoing the 5 day wait, BUT... we could be sure that it's not a career criminal that simply dresses well and knows how to speak to the seller.

The author brings up some additional points where blockchain could be utilized, yet likely be a bandaid or simply for "show." But using blockchain for new sales and purchases is a pretty brilliant idea in my opinion

The first step towards confiscation is registration. Not only that such a list is a tremendous security threat. Here is a great article that does a very thorough breakdown of the official stats of "gun crime".

[PrimeNumber7]

2- How does one even get an explosive or kill dozens of people at a school as easy as it is with a gun? Silly argument.

I have not personally looked, but I have read that instructions on how to create explosives are available on the internet. The Boston marathon bomber used materials freely available at stores.

If someone wanted to kill many people at a school without a gun, they could wait until school is out and run over some of the many people that are in school parking lots or walking just outside campus, or crossing various streets adjacent to the school.

The key to stopping gun violence is not gun registration, that will lead to confiscation, it is providing adequate countermeasures to gun violence. Places like Chicago have a lot of gun violence because criminals know there is a very low chance a law-abiding citizen will have a gun to shoot back with, and places with less restrictive gun ownership and gun possession laws, have less gun violence because criminals know there is a higher chance of getting shot back at.

[Distort3d]

Gun Control is not a solution.

Thinking that there is gonna be a gun control and blockchain is helping to guarantee that, it will just create delusions, as most of people dont see the full image of what is happening around the world.

[kk80586]

In the meantime, keep watching children die at schools every other week. But then again, we're the ones with our eyes closed lol

Answer these questions, please:
If we cannot eliminate evil, is there a need for guns?
Why are children being killed every other week?
How have 85 years worth of gun restrictions helped prevent children from being killed?
Are there solutions that don't include holding innocent people responsible for the actions of the guilty?
Are there solutions that don't leave innocents susceptible to tyranny?
How can blame an inanimate object for your lack of real solutions?


BTW: Stop multi-posting.  You can reply to two people in one post.

1- Yes, police officers and trained people should carry guns to protect citizens.
2- Because sick people have access to all sorts of guns and submachine rifles. All they need is a driving license to get their hands on them.
3- Mmmmmm... gun restrictions? What gun restrictions are you talking about?
4- Who is holding innocent people responsible for anything? We're talking about confiscating guns to protect these innocent people.
5- This whole tyranny argument worked well in the 17th century mate. There's no need for this anymore. Take a look at Europe. No European country has citizens carrying guns in the street and no one is concerned about their governments going tyrannic on them. Like... come on...
6- How is prohibiting sick people from getting access to guns not a real solution? I'm giving you one REAL solution that works very well in Europe. The only thing you're telling me is "that's not fair what about the innocent people who don't use guns to kill other people". Well, mate, wont you rather give up your gun and have your kid feel safe at school?

Plus, to be honest, I'm more concerned with regular citizens being able to acquire military styled weapons. If we could get rid of these I'm sure the amount of public shootings would come down drastically. I can't see someone killing 49 people at a night club with just a hand gun.

You need to do at least a tiny bit of research before engaging in a topic you know nothing about. Did you know that without the scary looking "furniture" an AR-15 functions exactly the same as any other "non-scary" semi-automatic rifle? Did you know that more people are killed (in the U.S.) with hammers than with rifles (go to fbi.gov and RESEARCH)? So out of the rifles that are used, the scary looking ones are just a subset. And since the media dwells on it every time an AR-15 is used, it's a small subset. It will probably become a larger subset ONLY because it is a popular rifle but it is likely that hammers will continue to be used more that any style rifle to kill people.
"I can't see someone killing 49 people at a night club with just a hand gun." LOL@U Go look up Virginia Tech shooting. O.K. He only killed 32 but 49 were shot. And I guess in a way you are correct. He didn't use "a handgun", he used 2. When you have a clue, come back and play again

[Spendulus]

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The chances of someone killing children at a school with a spoon are very low, don't you think?

Confirmed kill with MRE spoon:

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Ranger_Gets_Confirmed_Kill_With_MRE_Spoon/5-1836058/

[BADecker]

Gun freedom is the way to support a free blockchain.     

[mayo2u]

I'm all about banning guns. But, unfortunately, these are deeply engrained in America's society. I came across this article that talks about using blockchain to keep track of gun sales etc.

https://cryptotradernews.com/insights/the-president-wont-touch-it-politicians-ignore-it-is-blockchain-the-key-to-gun-control/


Thoughts?

Thoughts? My visceral reaction is "fuck you" and stick your love of an all-powerful government up your ass.

To answer your question more thoughtfully and respectfully. No. It doesn't help the situation one bit since it's not the government's business to know if I own a gun or how many guns I do own. That being said crypto wouldn't help.

There are many problems with registering guns - one of them is the legalistic rigor that is applied by prosecutors and how that is applied in this instance. I own a 20 gauge shotgun. For those not in the know that is a very underpowered shotgun best used for pests. My uncle has it. Why? Because he has a pest problem by his garden.

Now let's assume we agree that privacy issues and telling the government everything I do is not a problem for me. (It is, hence my original statement.)
 
Lots of people lend each other firearms.  Now, say I lend my uncle my 20 gauge. Do I have to tell the government that I am transferring this firearm before I do so? What is the process by which I do so? Does he have to be there? And, when he returns it, then what? Are you beginning to see part of the problem in what you're suggesting?

A firearm is not analogous to cars - firearms are like the class of motorized vehicles. They run the gamut from dirt bikes, to cars, to jet skis, to pick-up trucks, to motor boats, to snow mobiles, to yachts; to RVs.

That's why people have so many of them. They are NOT interchangeable. (And that doesn't even bring up collecting.) Now imagine each time a parent let their child use the car they would have to first tell the government. And then, when the child finished using the car, they too would have to tell the government.

Yeah brother. That ain't gonna happen. And crypto won't help.
 

[Spendulus]

I'm all about banning guns. But, unfortunately, these are deeply engrained in America's society. I came across this article that talks about using blockchain to keep track of gun sales etc.

https://cryptotradernews.com/insights/the-president-wont-touch-it-politicians-ignore-it-is-blockchain-the-key-to-gun-control/


Thoughts?

After the third popup, I stopped trying to read your article.

[coolcoinz]

My first thought is a question: why do people like to seek help from the government and laws and try to force their views on others? Why are you a bigot OP?

When you don't like that people around me are catholic and go to church every Sunday, you don't fraternize with them, ignore them, or sell your property and move. You don't go around town telling them to stop believing and you don't write letters to the government to ban public display of religious views.
It's the same about eating meat. You are a vegetarian, you're welcome to grill onions and carrots while I grill a steak. Those who call the police or write to the government because they don't like something are cowards and bigots.

[therealifiok]

We always want the blockchain to solve all the problems we have in this world without an understanding of what the underlying philosophy of this technology projects

Fine the blockchain technology has been applied in a vast majority of issues but how do think it will help solve the problems created by guns?

For crying out loud, the blockchain technkolgy is a primary solutions for data problems not the issue of violence

[k.nero]

Is regulating or reducing the number of gun owners the solution. Blockchain cannot change the happy trigger folks who resorts to pulling the trigger at the slightest provocation. I still don’t see how that solves the problem IMO.

[Spendulus]

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The current system is broken... people are getting weapons that should never even see one in person. A blockchain registration system could eliminate extensive waits for "complete" background checks. It would take the government middleman out of the equation. It would eliminate errors of state criminal records not showing up in the state search or otherwise being overlooked.....

Who would be the miners? Because they are the decision makers.

[mayo2u]

Is regulating or reducing the number of gun owners the solution. Blockchain cannot change the happy trigger folks who resorts to pulling the trigger at the slightest provocation. I still don’t see how that solves the problem IMO.

And outside of gang members who are those "happy trigger folks"? It's not the law abiding gun owners and it's certainly not those with a concealed carry permit.
Most of the US is as crime-free and as violence free as Europe. The great percentage of crime is located in a few areas within a few cities.

Look at the statistics. Don't take my word for it. And by looking at statistics I mean just that - go to the US Government statistics themselves and not articles which conflate things. Do you want an example of the media being disingenuous? They conflate gun deaths with gun crime. 2/3 of the gun deaths in the country are suicides. Now, if you think that getting rid of guns would get rid of suicides then you would have to ask yourself how is that Japan has a higher suicide rate than the US - and they don't have guns there.

[cryptomarketyourself]

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The current system is broken... people are getting weapons that should never even see one in person. A blockchain registration system could eliminate extensive waits for "complete" background checks. It would take the government middleman out of the equation. It would eliminate errors of state criminal records not showing up in the state search or otherwise being overlooked.....

Who would be the miners? Because they are the decision makers.

Does that even matter right now?

[Spendulus]

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The current system is broken... people are getting weapons that should never even see one in person. A blockchain registration system could eliminate extensive waits for "complete" background checks. It would take the government middleman out of the equation. It would eliminate errors of state criminal records not showing up in the state search or otherwise being overlooked.....

Who would be the miners? Because they are the decision makers.

Does that even matter right now?

If the miners are the ultimate authority on what the proposed blockchain does, then of course it matters.

[merchantofzeny]

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The current system is broken... people are getting weapons that should never even see one in person. A blockchain registration system could eliminate extensive waits for "complete" background checks. It would take the government middleman out of the equation. It would eliminate errors of state criminal records not showing up in the state search or otherwise being overlooked.....

Who would be the miners? Because they are the decision makers.

This is something that hasn't been brought up in the thread before. Yeah, who would be operating it? What would be the incentive to keep it running?

Do you think gun enthusiasts can run this instead of having large "miners"? I'm thinking something like when people run torrent apps on their phone. Like, by a gun and the download the app.

This would just be the gun ownership records though, the psychiatric records of gun applicants would have to be in a different chain.

[Spendulus]

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The current system is broken... people are getting weapons that should never even see one in person. A blockchain registration system could eliminate extensive waits for "complete" background checks. It would take the government middleman out of the equation. It would eliminate errors of state criminal records not showing up in the state search or otherwise being overlooked.....

Who would be the miners? Because they are the decision makers.

This is something that hasn't been brought up in the thread before. Yeah, who would be operating it? What would be the incentive to keep it running?

Do you think gun enthusiasts can run this instead of having large "miners"? I'm thinking something like when people run torrent apps on their phone. Like, by a gun and the download the app.

This would just be the gun ownership records though, the psychiatric records of gun applicants would have to be in a different chain.

Psych records would not necessarily have to be in a different chain.

And right, what if gun enthusiasts were running it? You would have a radically different and certainly a better product than if gun restriction nuts were running it, or if government personnel were running it.

But I don't see where this would change any of the arguments made. The controversy would continue unchanged. Decision making would simply be out of the hands of the politicians, it would seem.

For the record I know the NCIS background system works pretty darn well, and almost all the protests and arguments that it's bad are wrong and politically driven.

[BADecker]

Blockchain gun control is BS - https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=slam+gun.