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May 23, 2019, 09:39:46 AM |
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On the plus side, if the US government did officially recognise Wright as satoshi,...
nobody has recognized him as dick, it is just that OP for some reason decide to choose this misleading title for his topic! what CW has done is just submission of a copyright which is not even accepted. and submission is not such a complicated or exclusive thing to do so anybody can do it. That's a good way to attract more readers and comments if we have one good lawyer who does not believe in what Craig is doing he can object to that and charge Wright as personating a popular figure, somebody should stand up against this impostor, he will get a lot of support here if someone stand against this idiot. Everybody should read the news, properly and refer to all the sources. So much wrong information going on and come on, the US government recognizing him as Satoshi, so what? US government recognizes US dollar. It also said Iraq had chemical bombs but then never found it. Since when have we put all our trust in the US government anyway? They can say whatever they want. So can Craig Wright. Let us not be sheep and follow blindly.
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May 23, 2019, 09:52:35 AM |
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https://www.copyright.gov/press-media-info/press-updates.html?loclr=twcopIn the case of the two registrations issued to Mr. Wright, during the examination process, the Office took note of the well-known pseudonym “Satoshi Nakamoto,” and asked the applicant to confirm that Craig Steven Wright was the author and claimant of the works being registered. Mr. Wright made that confirmation. We're just supposed to take his word for it? Anyone is free to claim they're Satoshi, but I prefer the "don't trust, verify" ethic. Craig Wright looks like any other wingnut filing a copyright claim. What is the purpose of him claiming this?
That's what we're all trying to figure out. The copyright claim doesn't give him any authority or recognition, under the law or otherwise. His logic is probably something along the lines of, "If I say it enough times, some people will think it's true." Well speculate no more lofty platitude wielder, you'll figure out far more if you follow your own advice. Who told you it was "meaningless" or did you imagine it? Why did they tell you it was meaningless? What was their *motive* for doing so. Guys need to start thinking for yourselves and doing the research... *YOURSELF* you won't always get the facts laid out on a plate for you, but here this one's for free... https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap4.html#411"(b), no civil action for infringement of the copyright in any United States work shall be instituted until preregistration or registration of the copyright claim has been made in accordance with this title."Do you understand now why he applied for registration?... It's a necessary pre-requisite before taking legal action. Trust, but verify. That way you find out how you can trust later. It's how you build reputation, a network built around honesty. Otherwise you have to verify everything all the time which is totally unpractical. Kinda like Bitcoin.
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May 23, 2019, 10:00:11 AM |
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Craig Wright is going to end up as the biggest loser in cryptospace. Honestly the guy has no shame, he really is embarrassing. I can’t wait to see his demise, he’s a laughable conman.
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May 23, 2019, 10:07:45 AM |
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https://www.copyright.gov/press-media-info/press-updates.html?loclr=twcopIn the case of the two registrations issued to Mr. Wright, during the examination process, the Office took note of the well-known pseudonym “Satoshi Nakamoto,” and asked the applicant to confirm that Craig Steven Wright was the author and claimant of the works being registered. Mr. Wright made that confirmation. We're just supposed to take his word for it? Anyone is free to claim they're Satoshi, but I prefer the "don't trust, verify" ethic. Craig Wright looks like any other wingnut filing a copyright claim. What is the purpose of him claiming this?
That's what we're all trying to figure out. The copyright claim doesn't give him any authority or recognition, under the law or otherwise. His logic is probably something along the lines of, "If I say it enough times, some people will think it's true." Well speculate no more lofty platitude wielder, you'll figure out far more if you follow your own advice. Who told you it was "meaningless" or did you imagine it? Why did they tell you it was meaningless? What was their *motive* for doing so. Guys need to start thinking for yourselves and doing the research... *YOURSELF* you won't always get the facts laid out on a plate for you, but here this one's for free... https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap4.html#411"(b), no civil action for infringement of the copyright in any United States work shall be instituted until preregistration or registration of the copyright claim has been made in accordance with this title."Do you understand now why he applied for registration?... It's a necessary pre-requisite before taking legal action. Trust, but verify. That way you find out how you can trust later. It's how you build reputation, a network built around honesty. Otherwise you have to verify everything all the time which is totally unpractical. Kinda like Bitcoin. He applied for it because he knew it would cause a massive spike for bitcoin sv and a lot of speculation. He knew social media would jump into it like flies jump into shit.
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May 23, 2019, 11:45:08 AM |
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Well speculate no more lofty platitude wielder, you'll figure out far more if you follow your own advice. Who told you it was "meaningless" or did you imagine it? Why did they tell you it was meaningless? What was their *motive* for doing so. Guys need to start thinking for yourselves and doing the research... *YOURSELF* you won't always get the facts laid out on a plate for you, but here this one's for free... https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap4.html#411"(b), no civil action for infringement of the copyright in any United States work shall be instituted until preregistration or registration of the copyright claim has been made in accordance with this title."Do you understand now why he applied for registration?... It's a necessary pre-requisite before taking legal action. Trust, but verify. That way you find out how you can trust later. It's how you build reputation, a network built around honesty. Otherwise you have to verify everything all the time which is totally unpractical. Kinda like Bitcoin. Maybe I'm stupid and if that's the case, I apologise for it, but I don't understand what does your statement proves. From what I understand, this is what happened in a timeline, - Hodlonaut reportedly starts #CraigWrightIsAFraud on Twitter
- Craig puts a bounty to whoever finds Hodlonaut's real identity (democracy at its best)
- Vitalik referred to Craig as a scammer and as a fake publicly (more than once!)
- Craig's lawyers send a Letter of Claim to Vitalik asking him to back out of his comments, apologies publicly and admitting that Craig is Satoshi Nakamoto
- Vitalik ignores the Letter
- Craig's lawyer are legally allowed to sue Vitalik after the Letter's deadline
- [Personal Guess] Craig asks his lawyers to pursuit a legal suit against Vitalik but they advice him that he doesn't have a chance to win a suit if first he doesn't apply for the copyright
- [Personal Guess] The next news we'll hear will be a suit against Vitalik who doesn't accept him as Satoshi which is the title he's trying to copyright
I don't know what Craig is trying to achieve, but just think of why would he want to know Hodlonaut's identity? He wouldn't send a hitman after him I hope. He probably wanted to sue Hodlonaut for calling him fraud. Since this didn't work out, he decided to go after a man who's identity is known and who has also publicly called him fraud; and that's Vitalik. To me, Craig seems desperate to pursuit a legal action of some sort. Maybe he's hoping to at least win an apology for the damage that was caused to his image so that he can twist this into "I won a legal suit, I am recognised as Satoshi"?
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May 23, 2019, 01:16:08 PM |
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Well there could be a chance that Craig is part of the making with bitcoin as he do copied the way how.bitcoin was created even its total supply in the market. It seems that this man had knowledge with the pseudo name Satoshi. Whatever it may be either craig is satoshi or not what matter here is that bitcoin is still alive and kicking. We all going to hope that the surge of bitcoin market price is the start of bitcoin bull run.
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May 23, 2019, 01:29:49 PM |
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Everybody should read the news, properly and refer to all the sources. So much wrong information going on and come on, the US government recognizing him as Satoshi, so what? US government recognizes US dollar. It also said Iraq had chemical bombs but then never found it. Since when have we put all our trust in the US government anyway? They can say whatever they want. So can Craig Wright. Let us not be sheep and follow blindly.
The U.S. Copyright Office clarified today that it does not recognize Craig Wright as Satoshi Nakamoto—the pseudonymous author of the Bitcoin whitepaper—only that Wright has filed a form claiming that he’s Satoshi. https://decryptmedia.com/7145/copyright-office-craig-wright-bitcoinThat is to clarify all the confusion. I feel bad to those investors caught up with this ruckus. I hope they should investigate first before jumping into some false news that this CW camp released.
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May 23, 2019, 02:20:44 PM |
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To my mind, this was done to pump BSV by Craig Wright. I don't believe he is real satoshi, as there's no logic in creating btc and stating "hey, I'm a real satoshi." Real satoshi have a lot of btc, so whether this is a single person or a corporation, he (they) mustb't disclose his (their) identity as it might be not safe.
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May 23, 2019, 02:27:59 PM |
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Well, Craig is a complete fraud and who cares if US reconized him as satoshi. Craig himself cannot prove that he is satoshi so it's a baseless recognition. People claiming to be satoshi will not end not as long as the real satoshi reveals himself which I doubt will never happen. Right mate and only stupid people in crypto will believe and justify Craig Wright being Satoshi Nakamoto,because why took him years before claiming to be the one while people here are seeking for the creator for how long now Obviously he claims to be Satoshi because of the growing population and capitalization of this forum so he can milk a lot from us.how foolishness he was
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May 23, 2019, 02:33:31 PM |
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It's amazing the level of proof y'all demand of CSW, and the lengths you go to hand wave away the mountain of evidence. He's spent decades, and billions on building nChain, filing patents documenting his inventions, fighting lawsuits from those that would seek to try and blackmail and or defame him.
All you libertarian, anarchist types so sure that Bitcoin is going to upset the status quo, but then can't make the glaringly obvious connection as to why so much time and effort would be put into trying to discredit CSW and stop BSV.
But somebody posts some theory about how he's just going to perjure himself to the USCO, and trying defraud the court system, in order to "pump BSV" and you all just nod and pat each other on the back. Good job bois, you figured it out!
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May 23, 2019, 05:22:55 PM |
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Do you understand now why he applied for registration?... It's a necessary pre-requisite before taking legal action. Thanks, Captain Obvious. And what makes you think he can meet all of the other requirements needed to succeed in any legal action? Let's table the discussion about how Craig Wright would obviously face legal disputes over original authorship if he tries to leverage the copyright. More fundamentally, who could he even take legal action against when -- according to him -- he himself already distributed the the source code under a free software license a decade ago? He has no grounds to extract rent now. Trust, but verify. What exactly have you verified? It's amazing the level of proof y'all demand of CSW, and the lengths you go to hand wave away the mountain of evidence. He's spent decades, and billions on building nChain, filing patents documenting his inventions, fighting lawsuits from those that would seek to try and blackmail and or defame him.
In other words, he's done a bunch of hand-waving and nothing else. In the free open-source software world, code talks. CSW brings nothing to the table at all. His legal arguments are completely bogus, too. This is all going to blow up badly in his face one day.
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May 23, 2019, 05:36:10 PM |
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To my mind, this was done to pump BSV by Craig Wright. I don't believe he is real satoshi, as there's no logic in creating btc and stating "hey, I'm a real satoshi." Real satoshi have a lot of btc, so whether this is a single person or a corporation, he (they) mustb't disclose his (their) identity as it might be not safe.
Satoshi, Craig has a lot of BTC, BCH, BTG........ and Bitcoin. Segwit coin has nothing to do with bitcoin so he will continue what he created, pure Bitcoin as in BSV.
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"The existing Visa credit card network processes about 15 million Internet purchases per day worldwide. Bitcoin can already scale much larger than that with existing hardware for a fraction of the cost. It never really hits a scale ceiling." Satoshi Nakamoto, April 2009 Avoiding taxes is totally legal if you consider and respect the law.
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May 23, 2019, 06:22:54 PM |
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Really I'm seeing this? I don't believe it, I also don't believe USA now. I will not trust Craig until he signs a msg from a real Satoshi address. No matter what else he does to prove himself as Satoshi, no matter who supports him. It also said Iraq had chemical bombs but then never found it. Since when have we put all our trust in the US government anyway? They can say whatever they want.
I agree with you here, USA just destroyed Iraq for nothing with a false accusation. They can say whatever they want, they can do whatever they want with their power. Real power abuse IMO!
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May 23, 2019, 06:30:41 PM |
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Who knows if the claim of Craig Wright to be the author of bitcoin whitepaper and inventor will instead cause the real Satoshi Nakamoto to come out and reveal his true identity. That would be a big shame for Wright for this claim. Nice attempt but just like others whom they pointed to be Satoshi Nakamoto were fake, then the truth with Wright will also come out.
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May 24, 2019, 05:47:00 AM |
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I did not realize until reading the responses on this thread that in fact there are so many Craig Wright supporters. It is incredible to be honest,,, that we have people like him and he actually has followers.
I do not know why people talk about real Bitcoin and fake Bitcoin and the true vision. BSV is Craig Wright vision, so okay, go ahead. Why need to name it Satoshi vision and claim to be Satoshi when he has no need for that? Why make claims and then never do what will make everybody believe without a doubt?
Very smart people who follow him, but no common sense. I am not a smart guy at all, but my common sense tells me,,, CW is a publicity seeker. Satoshi avoided publicity.
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May 24, 2019, 06:16:04 AM |
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Why he was recognised? I don't know the story behind that but there is one thing that I want to say. Whether he or not the bitcoin founder, I cared about the product since Satoshi Nakamoto released in media with his anonimity face. Therefore, I am after the product and not the developer.
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May 24, 2019, 06:35:38 AM |
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Plot twist, CopyWright owned by CraigWright... I normally avoid coingeek as it doesn't seem like a very reputable source. IMO, it's closer to a dedicated shilling site than any sort of legitimate media outlet.
Of course, it was founded by the BSV shills Mr. Ayre. You can't expect good things mentioning bitcoin from that site.
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May 24, 2019, 07:52:07 AM |
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I did not realize until reading the responses on this thread that in fact there are so many Craig Wright supporters. It is incredible to be honest,,, that we have people like him and he actually has followers.
I do not know why people talk about real Bitcoin and fake Bitcoin and the true vision. BSV is Craig Wright vision, so okay, go ahead. Why need to name it Satoshi vision and claim to be Satoshi when he has no need for that? Why make claims and then never do what will make everybody believe without a doubt?
Very smart people who follow him, but no common sense. I am not a smart guy at all, but my common sense tells me,,, CW is a publicity seeker. Satoshi avoided publicity.
A possible explanation is that Craig was one of the group members known as Satoshi Nakamoto, he could be the only one still alive or still active in the ecosystem so there's no one else closer to being Satoshi. If he was the only single identity known as Satoshi though, he would have sold 100% of the Bitcoins in the Satoshi's wallets since he's calling those BTCs fake/SigWit/Core and would have bought BSV. To be honest I haven't done my own research as to which addresses are owned by Satoshi, but I believe that if Craig had moved funds from those addresses then no one would doubt him. For me personally though, even if he would prove he's Satoshi or if he was 50% or 25% of the Satoshi group wouldn't make a difference. I don't follow a name but an idea.Satoshi introduced a great concept and a revolutionary payment system. If he would turn into a madman, I wouldn't keep following everything he says because he is Satoshi. One correct action doesn't make anyone's future actions correct as well.
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May 24, 2019, 08:58:38 AM |
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It's confirm CSW is one of the govt officer, he could be part of the CIA, and he was given the order to ridiculous bitcoin so that it would be easier for the U.S. govt to control the entire market.
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May 24, 2019, 09:08:27 AM |
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If crypto was regulated like stocks, he'd be going to jail for insider trading or running a pump and dump scheme.
Craig probably has a stack of Bitcoin SV, probably bought even more deep before the copyright claim, and I bet you he is dumping hard just having doubled his money from all the people that don't realise a 'claim' doesn't mean it has been found successful.
If he wants to prove he is Satoshi it so easy. Say you'll move an amount of BTC from the 'Satoshi bitcoins' wallet to another, and back again. Say you'll do it on a certain day. And then just do it. Bam you've got a case to be Satoshi.
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