Hhampuz embezzling signature campaign funds from BestMixer

[Quickseller]

You are being obviously corrupt and stupid. When you run your own competing service, and attempt to slander/give shit advice another competitor, it's showing what heights you will reach, just to find a client or 2.

Perhaps he wants to protect the integrity of his line of business. If there are fraudsters stealing money from their clients left and right, less companies will be interested in paying money to advertise this way.

A well know mixer, which has had no scams/issues goes down, due to a government request. That's fine, no one lost coins or anything.

You think no one lost coins? What do you think happened to the coins in the process of being mixed when BestMixer shut down? Did the Dutch government make sure all these people got their money back?

Hhampuz, after receiving no information from the mixer (they have more concerns then a sig campaign on a forum), quickly closes the thread. I'm guessing this is due to everyone being scared of the legal repercussion that they could be involved in.

Hhampuz closed the campaign approximately 30 minutes after it was posted in the campaign thread that the domain was seized. About 3 hours later he pays the participants (early), and 30 minutes after that, he moves the excess money to a third address.

The remaining funds aren't a problem here. The people of the forum aren't owed anything. Hhampuz moved them for his security (this is my assumption) and he is free to do, since he has not gotten information from the company, or police.

This is nonsense. Moving the funds do nothing for his security because it is well known, and publicly available that he is holding his money. Further, there is no evidence, and no basis for the assumption he moved the coins for his "security".

He can spend in coke and strippers if he wants, the money is technically his now since the company has broken down, and the police haven't asked him for the funds. This is a legal matter, not a matter that should be openly discussed on the forum. No one is scammed here, you can't return money to a dead company.

More nonsense from a one-post newbie. In no way is this money his. He agreed to hold onto the money, and use it only for a specified purpose, not for his own personal benefit. The money belongs to BestMixer. If BestMixer no longer exists, the money belongs to its owners.

[Quickseller]

The money belongs to BestMixer. If BestMixer no longer exists, the money belongs to its owners.

Would you feel more comfortable if I said "former owners as of immidiately prior to the dissolution of the company"?

When a bank fails, everyone who borrowed from the bank doesn't suddenly not have to pay their debts anymore. There is no reason why Hhampuz would not need to repay what he owes BestMixer

[marlboroza]

Would you feel more comfortable if I said "former owners as of immidiately prior to the dissolution of the company"?

I misunderstood you. Ok, lets try different approach.

Which part of "bitmixer was under investigation for a year and domain is seized by Europol and FIOD" you don't understand?

[HCP]

Further, there is no evidence, and no basis for the assumption he moved the coins for his "security".

And there is also no evidence, and no basis for the assumption that he moved the coins to "embezzle" them.

In my opinion, it's just as likely that he was moving them for "security" reasons as it is that he was doing it to "steal" them. I haven't really seen any real proof to say either way. The only thing that can be stated for a fact regarding the movement of these coins, is that the coins were moved... and the only person that truly knows why this happened is Hhampuz (assuming Hhampuz is the only one with access to the private keys).

[malevolent]

When a bank fails, everyone who borrowed from the bank doesn't suddenly not have to pay their debts anymore. There is no reason why Hhampuz would not need to repay what he owes BestMixer

And I don't see BestMixer starting a thread in this forum section accusing Hhampuz of embezzling funds. No arrests have been made so it's not like they can't spend a minute (or an hour, I don't know about their OPSEC) to create a thread. I also don't see anyone, DT or not, red-tagging Hhampuz, so it seems the consensus is that he isn't a scammer.

[Quickseller]

When a bank fails, everyone who borrowed from the bank doesn't suddenly not have to pay their debts anymore. There is no reason why Hhampuz would not need to repay what he owes BestMixer

And I don't see BestMixer starting a thread in this forum section accusing Hhampuz of embezzling funds. No arrests have been made so it's not like they can't spend a minute (or an hour, I don't know about their OPSEC) to create a thread. I also don't see anyone, DT or not, red-tagging Hhampuz, so it seems the consensus is that he isn't a scammer.

There are a number of reasons why BestMixer might not be immediately looking for the money or be opening a scam accusation, and none of these reasons are an excuse for Hhampuz to be taking the money for himself.

Further, lauda has made it clear that Hhampuz is not going to be labeled a scammer. Recent history has shown that those who oppose lauda end up getting excluded from DT and labeled a scammer, there are a number of recent examples of this.

[bones261]

Unfortunately, we do not know the terms of the contract between Hhampuz and BestMixer to arrive at a conclusive determination. I don't believe that Hhampuz should reveal the contract just to satisfy anyone's suspicions. Also, if you look at the last transaction where he paid the signature campaign participants, it lacks a bigger output of ~ .077 BTC that the earlier transactions have. For all we know, the ~.50 BTC covers the pay HHampuz is entitled to under his contract.

[Quickseller]

Unfortunately, we do not know the terms of the contract between Hhampuz and BestMixer to arrive at a conclusive determination. I don't believe that Hhampuz should reveal the contract just to satisfy anyone's suspicions. Also, if you look at the last transaction where he paid the signature campaign participants, it lacks a bigger output of ~ .077 BTC that the earlier transactions have. For all we know, the ~.50 BTC covers the pay HHampuz is entitled to under his contract.

Ah yes, Hhampuz was most likely entitled to all of the remaining funds and this is why he took the money and tried to cover his tracks. /s

If you look at all the transactions that he pays participants with, you will see he pays himself out of campaign funds every week this is done either in the same transaction or immediately after the transaction is sent. He was not owed additional money.

[malevolent]

Further, lauda has made it clear that Hhampuz is not going to be labeled a scammer. Recent history has shown that those who oppose lauda end up getting excluded from DT and labeled a scammer, there are a number of recent examples of this.

There isn't enough evidence to label him a scammer. Tribalism is a different issue altogether and one of the reasons the Trust system sees continuous changes and improvements, perhaps with more to come in the future.

[bones261]

Unfortunately, we do not know the terms of the contract between Hhampuz and BestMixer to arrive at a conclusive determination. I don't believe that Hhampuz should reveal the contract just to satisfy anyone's suspicions. Also, if you look at the last transaction where he paid the signature campaign participants, it lacks a bigger output of ~ .077 BTC that the earlier transactions have. For all we know, the ~.50 BTC covers the pay HHampuz is entitled to under his contract.

Ah yes, Hhampuz was most likely entitled to all of the remaining funds and this is why he took the money and tried to cover his tracks. /s

If you look at all the transactions that he pays participants with, you will see he pays himself out of campaign funds every week this is done either in the same transaction or immediately after the transaction is sent. He was not owed additional money.

These agreements don't come with any severance clauses or bonuses for completing the campaigns? Too bad.

[TheNewAnon135246]

Unfortunately, we do not know the terms of the contract between Hhampuz and BestMixer to arrive at a conclusive determination. I don't believe that Hhampuz should reveal the contract just to satisfy anyone's suspicions. Also, if you look at the last transaction where he paid the signature campaign participants, it lacks a bigger output of ~ .077 BTC that the earlier transactions have. For all we know, the ~.50 BTC covers the pay HHampuz is entitled to under his contract.

Ah yes, Hhampuz was most likely entitled to all of the remaining funds and this is why he took the money and tried to cover his tracks. /s

If you look at all the transactions that he pays participants with, you will see he pays himself out of campaign funds every week this is done either in the same transaction or immediately after the transaction is sent. He was not owed additional money.

How surprising, more assumptions. You do not know anything about the agreement between BestMixer an Hhampuz. Anything you say is based on nothing but your  hatred towards anyone on your shitlist.

[bones261]

How surprising, more assumptions. You do not know anything about the agreement between BestMixer an Hhampuz. Anything you say is based on nothing but your  hatred towards anyone on your shitlist.

     I suspect that if HHampuz had just left the BTC untouched, in UTXO that Hhampuz has full control over, QS would have opened a similar thread raising suspicion on why Hhampuz was keeping funds in UTXO that he had full control over. Also, if Hhampuz moved the funds to any other address, QS would find some narrative to paint him in a bad light. And if Hhampuz came up with any plausible explanation, QS would construe that too, to fit his narrative.

[suchmoon]

I suspect that if HHampuz had just left the BTC untouched, in UTXO that Hhampuz has full control over, QS would have opened a similar thread raising suspicion on why Hhampuz was keeping funds in UTXO that he had full control over. Also, if Hhampuz moved the funds to any other address, QS would find some narrative to paint him in a bad light. And if Hhampuz came up with any plausible explanation, QS would construe that too, to fit his narrative.

No doubt about that. I'm old enough to remember how QS was claiming that Lauda not denying one of his (Quickseller's) hallucinations was proof of something or other.

Props to HH for not feeding the megatroll.

[TheNewAnon135246]

I suspect that if HHampuz had just left the BTC untouched, in UTXO that Hhampuz has full control over, QS would have opened a similar thread raising suspicion on why Hhampuz was keeping funds in UTXO that he had full control over. Also, if Hhampuz moved the funds to any other address, QS would find some narrative to paint him in a bad light. And if Hhampuz came up with any plausible explanation, QS would construe that too, to fit his narrative.

No doubt about that. I'm old enough to remember how QS was claiming that Lauda not denying one of his (Quickseller's) hallucinations was proof of something or other.

Props to HH for not feeding the megatroll.

- Calling Lauda a pill addict
- Calling Vod a pedophile
- Accusing members of leaving fake trade feedback
- Calling Hhampuz a thief

There are plenty of other examples. QS has quite the track record of accusing people with zero evidence to back it up.

[Quickseller]

Further, lauda has made it clear that Hhampuz is not going to be labeled a scammer. Recent history has shown that those who oppose lauda end up getting excluded from DT and labeled a scammer, there are a number of recent examples of this.

There isn't enough evidence to label him a scammer. Tribalism is a different issue altogether and one of the reasons the Trust system sees continuous changes and improvements, perhaps with more to come in the future.

I would argue there is evidence Hhampuz is a scammer based on what I posted in the OP.

I think it is clear he is not being labeled a scammer by others because of tribalism, and for that reason alone.

[yahoo62278]

Further, lauda has made it clear that Hhampuz is not going to be labeled a scammer. Recent history has shown that those who oppose lauda end up getting excluded from DT and labeled a scammer, there are a number of recent examples of this.

There isn't enough evidence to label him a scammer. Tribalism is a different issue altogether and one of the reasons the Trust system sees continuous changes and improvements, perhaps with more to come in the future.

I would argue there is evidence Hhampuz is a scammer based on what I posted in the OP.

I think it is clear he is not being labeled a scammer by others because of tribalism, and for that reason alone.

I find it very hypocritical that you want everyone else to tag him as a scammer and you yourself have not tagged him.

I browsed your sent feedback and didn't see your tag anywhere at least.

[Quickseller]

Further, lauda has made it clear that Hhampuz is not going to be labeled a scammer. Recent history has shown that those who oppose lauda end up getting excluded from DT and labeled a scammer, there are a number of recent examples of this.

There isn't enough evidence to label him a scammer. Tribalism is a different issue altogether and one of the reasons the Trust system sees continuous changes and improvements, perhaps with more to come in the future.

I would argue there is evidence Hhampuz is a scammer based on what I posted in the OP.

I think it is clear he is not being labeled a scammer by others because of tribalism, and for that reason alone.

I find it very hypocritical that you want everyone else to tag him as a scammer and you yourself have not tagged him.

I browsed your sent feedback and didn't see your tag anywhere at least.

I did not say that I wanted others to tag him as a scammer. I said I believe him to be a scammer, and the reason he has not been tagged is due to tribalism.

I do think he should be tagged, but due to the trust system being broken, I don't think anyone tagging him will have any affect any anything. In lieu of tagging him, I will leave this thread open and any potential customers of his (and his current customers) can look at the evidence themselves, including the fact that many of those defending him are being paid his advertisers money by him.

[bones261]

I did not say that I wanted others to tag him as a scammer. I said I believe him to be a scammer, and the reason he has not been tagged is due to tribalism.

I do think he should be tagged, but due to the trust system being broken, I don't think anyone tagging him will have any affect any anything. In lieu of tagging him, I will leave this thread open and any potential customers of his (and his current customers) can look at the evidence themselves, including the fact that many of those defending him are being paid his advertisers money by him.

   I certainly hope any future potential clients of Hhampuz also take into consideration that the OP of this thread also was being paid by him and got the sack after 5 weeks. Or shall they believe that you are really free of any bias on this matter and are earmarked to be instantly canonized by the Pope, as soon as you are the 4th person to be assumed into Heaven?

[malevolent]

I did not say that I wanted others to tag him as a scammer.

I do think he should be tagged

 

It's also bit strange you'd want keep responding to this thread as it grows for almost two weeks now, even if it is clear that even people who are in no way associated with Hhampuz keep defending him, but leaving a negative rating is too futile an endeavour? 

[asche]

It's also bit strange you'd want keep responding to this thread as it grows for almost two weeks now, 

There is no such thing as bad publicity.

This is the only possible explanation to these ramblings