~ How Much Money Would you Need to Make to Stop Using Paid Sig Offers?

[Bit_Happy]

(I am curious if many people ever even think about this) Here is a question about one of the most popular types of offers at the forum:
Paid Sig Offers are obviously very popular here at BCT. If you had higher income, from other sources, would you quickly "take back your sig" and use it for anything you like? How much (in ~USD or BTC value) would you need to make this summer to Stop Using Paid Sig Offers?

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[mk4]

Personally, probably if I make like 30x what I earn in signature campaigns. Even so, I'm not sure if I would quit signature campaigns, as I still see myself posting here regardless if I'm in a campaign or not, though most likely a bit less. I mean, who doesn't like earning a bit BTC from casually posting?

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Well I don't see any benefit in not having the privilege to wear a signature when you have reached the required rank but if I was asked to be paid off from joining any signature campaign (but can still wear a signature of my choice) my price will be 1 BTC

Not wearing a signature makes me feel like I'm naked lol so I can't give that up but for not joining a campaign that I can do.

[Slow death]

I will give the following advice:

The best thing that people should do is have business in the real world and use signature campaigns as an incentive/complementary way of making money in the online world. if you have a business that gives you a good monthly income, you will have reasons to celebrate and you can use the revenue from signature campaigns as complementary income

[cabron]

I will give the following advice:

The best thing that people should do is have business in the real world and use signature campaigns as an incentive/complementary way of making money in the online world. if you have a business that gives you a good monthly income, you will have reasons to celebrate and you can use the revenue from signature campaigns as complementary income

That's what I would do once I get to have enough capital to start my business but for now, signatures are bringing hope for me as I'm earning few while also doing my daily job. Its not paying well but if the bullrun comes and my money turns out to be enough. I'd probably keep myself busy building my business for life.

[Mpamaegbu]

Asking what price tag anyone would want is analogous to selling one's account. Let's not kid ourselves, if that is achieved and people are paid off, I bet posting habit will drop or you are likely not going to have many posting here any more. I know some people will be pretentious and deny this obvious fact.

[leowonderful]

I personally can't place an exact number, but I find it very unlikely in the near future that I would stop participating in signature campaigns on Bitcointalk unless something catastrophic happens to me and I need to take time away from the forums. I currently do have income from sources better than what I get from the signature campaign I'm currently in, but I still post here anyways and I would continue to post here even if I were to get a higher salary than what I'm currently getting. I love this forum, and since I post here anyways signature campaigns are a nice little boost.

[countryfree]

Hmm... I don't remember.

I know I used to have an ad for a blender but it was very, very little money. I stopped it some 2 years ago, and I'm not missing it at all.

[gentlemand]

I have nothing crypto related to promote other than my own incredibleness. Ergo I have no use for a signature space. You have an avatar and wee strapline to personalise too.

Since I dig hanging out here anyway I may as well utilise that perk.

If my current campaign ends I probably wouldn't enter another one. Going forward sigs will likely only be gambling and maybe ICO esque type things may make a comeback. I don't agree with either of them. If something that didn't make excessive posting demands that promoted something I could get behind did come up I'd consider it again. No idea what it could be promoting though.

Asking what price tag anyone would want is analogous to selling one's account. Let's not kid ourselves, if that is achieved and people are paid off, I bet posting habit will drop or you are likely not going to have many posting here any more. I know some people will be pretentious and deny this obvious fact.

Nah. I'm definitely incentivised to post because of campaigns at times. It's disingenuous to claim otherwise. It depends though. Sometimes I feel super engaged here. Other times less so. If interesting things were kicking off all over the place I'd be posting about the stuff that interested me no matter what.

[bitmover]

Unless I don't need money ever again, I will always be looking for complementary incomes. So I will probably always be wearing a signature if I keep posting in this forum.

[tmfp]

I've never had one, no particular moral high ground.
I've used the space from time to time as a sort of portable Scam Accusation when I wanted to achieve maximum exposure of particular schemes, but I've stuck with the (slightly pretentious-Moi?) current "Sagan Standard" for a while now.
I don't like advertising full stop so, being a filthy rich Westerner with the luxury of choice, I'll forgo the pleasure (and profit) of promoting some crappy gambling site or thieving ICO quite happily.

Anyone who can elucidate my signature's connection to this theorem gets a couple of merits.

 

[Bit_Happy]

I have nothing crypto related to promote other than my own incredibleness. Ergo I have no use for a signature space. You have an avatar and wee strapline to personalise too.

Since I dig hanging out here anyway I may as well utilise that perk.

If my current campaign ends I probably wouldn't enter another one. Going forward sigs will likely only be gambling and maybe ICO esque type things may make a comeback. I don't agree with either of them. If something that didn't make excessive posting demands that promoted something I could get behind did come up I'd consider it again. No idea what it could be promoting though....

Going forward sigs will likely only be....
Yes, the Bitcoin mixers having major trouble is a big change for the sig business. I didn't follow all the details, but I know the authorities came down heavy recently.

[figmentofmyass]

there's nothing like being paid directly in bitcoin. no matter how much money is in my bank accounts, i would probably rationalize other ways to spend or invest it. so getting paid in bitcoin is a good way to always be padding my holdings a bit, which i know is the best plan for the future. i'm definitely a big bitcoin bull, always trying to accumulate.

Yes, the Bitcoin mixers having major trouble is a big change for the sig business. I didn't follow all the details, but I know the authorities came down heavy recently.

the authorities only shut down one mixer, who was dumb enough to operate from europe. one other mixer voluntarily shut down, which is nothing out of the ordinary. coinmixer.se and bitmixer.io both closed their doors similarly in the past couple years. bitcloak and chipmixer have both indicated that things are "business as usual" for them. i'm sure others will spring up to take the place of bestmixer and bitblender as well---it's a profitable business!

[gentlemand]

coinmixer.se and bitmixer.io both closed their doors similarly in the past couple years. bitcloak and chipmixer have both indicated that things are "business as usual" for them. i'm sure others will spring up to take the place of bestmixer and bitblender as well---it's a profitable business!

This is the very first time law enforcement have flexed their willy regarding mixers. That makes setting up a mixer a dodgier prospect than it was in the past. I expect many people who were considering it will now not consider it. A precedent has been set.

[figmentofmyass]

coinmixer.se and bitmixer.io both closed their doors similarly in the past couple years. bitcloak and chipmixer have both indicated that things are "business as usual" for them. i'm sure others will spring up to take the place of bestmixer and bitblender as well---it's a profitable business!

This is the very first time law enforcement have flexed their willy regarding mixers. That makes setting up a mixer a dodgier prospect than it was in the past. I expect many people who were considering it will now not consider it. A precedent has been set.

sort of, but as i've said before, i don't think most mixer operators were ever dumb enough to operate from europe in the first place. the netherlands and luxembourg ffs?!! bestmixer may as well have called europol on the phone and given them the physical server addresses.

remember, it was the dutch police who hijacked hansa market and operated it as a honeypot. i wouldn't be surprised if bestmixer was a honeypot to begin with. we should probably assume some subset of centralized mixers are.

if not, i'm sure the authorities would have gladly announced arrests if they could have, which suggests the risks are probably worth it. there's an abundance of friendlier jurisdictions where mixers can operate anonymously. most of the island banking havens are fine choices IMO.

[bitmover]

Anyone who can elucidate my signature's connection to this theorem gets a couple of merits.

 

This is Bayes Theorem. It's the idea of probability based on prior knowledge.

In probability theory and statistics, Bayes' theorem (alternatively Bayes' law or Bayes' rule) describes the probability of an event, based on prior knowledge of conditions that might be related to the event. For example, if cancer is related to age, then, using Bayes' theorem, a person's age can be used to more accurately assess the probability that they have cancer, compared to the assessment of the probability of cancer made without knowledge of the person's age.

One of the many applications of Bayes' theorem is Bayesian inference, a particular approach to statistical inference. When applied, the probabilities involved in Bayes' theorem may have different probability interpretations. With the Bayesian probability interpretation the theorem expresses how a degree of belief, expressed as a probability, should rationally change to account for availability of related evidence. Bayesian inference is fundamental to Bayesian statistics.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes%27_theorem

I didn't connected it with your sig straight away. I knew it was Carl Sagan's and you gave the hint. Then I googled your sig and Bayes and Sagan and found many interesting discussions.

https://dudeexmachina.wordpress.com/2012/05/20/a-rigorous-formulation-of-extraordinary-claims-require-extraordinary-evidence/
To summarize, an ‘extraordinary claim’ is defined as ‘a claim with a very low intrinsic probability.’ Another way of saying this is that the prior probability of the claim being true based on our background knowledge is very low (but presumably not zero). So the evidence for this claim must be strong enough to bring the posterior probability of the claim up to .5 or better. This is indeed the strategy adopted by people like Richard Swinburne and Lydia and Timothy McGrew in their Bayesian arguments for the Resurrection of Jesus. They argue that even if the initial probability is low, this antecedent improbability can be counterbalanced by the specific evidence in this claim.

In short: extraordinary claim (very low probability) requires extraordinary evidence (highly improbable evidence). Bayes is. The mathematically representation of that.


Also:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Extraordinary_claims_require_extraordinary_evidence

[pooya87]

if i am already posting on the forum i don't see why not make some precious bitcoin out of it and it is not about how much money one has, it is about monetizing something you are already doing. in my opinion it is like putting up a banner ad on your website that is getting visits to monetize that traffic.

[joniboini]

After reading some post above, I tend to agree (or maybe belong to the side) that regardless of how many USD/BTC I made from my main job, I'll still continue participating in sig campaign unless I can't participate in this forum anymore. Having more than one source of income is always good, and so far, my life has been easier with the sig campaign that I've participated in. I might not make a fortune out of it (unless 1 BTC = $1 million) but it's worth my time.

Btw, I predict there'll be a few sig campaigns running on this forum in the future, mainly gambling site or exchange. Other than that, I don't think we'll see any long-term campaign.

[El duderino_]

I just don't use paid sigs.... plain simple, imo its just not contributing for anything ....

[jhongzjhong]

I just don't use paid sigs.... plain simple, imo its just not contributing for anything ....

Maybe you are very rich in real life that's why you don't need to earn it here as long as you enjoyed posting comments.

For me, as long as I need the precious bitcoin I still hunt bitcoin like what miners did they keep digging to hunt bitcoin and also I keep wearing paid bitcoin sig to have even a single fraction of bitcoin will be fine.