We're Allowing TOO Much! It's gone too far with Lauda.

[sciack]

Preface: By posting this, I 100% expect abusive negative trust, which further proves my point.

I *never* get involved with forum politics, but I have seen too much! I think that something must be done immediately regarding the abusive negative trust and over-policing of this forum. At this point, it has gone to the point where forum activity and growth is slowing down because members like me are starting to leave/become inactive due to how badly managed the trust system is. Let's take a look at some recent trust ratings. Take a look at a screenshot of trust Lauda has left Quickseller: https://gyazo.com/d69255a43ec4475ea391a6485dafb7f7

If you deal with this user you will get burned, and I will tag you as well.

What? Is Lauda staff to be doing something like that? Deal with Quickseller, and you get a red tag? This is too much, by not doing something, we are allowing this kind of abuse. I have had enough. Fix the situation, or suffer the consequences of declining growth, a toxic atmosphere, and abusive elite-rank members who ultimately we don't even need tagging most of the accounts anyways.

Please discuss.

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[sciack]

Lauda clearly isn't fit for the position, she cannot accept criticism without further abusing her position and calling it "FUD, trolling", or other words she uses to cover up these truthful posts.

[Quickseller]

I don’t know the OP, but I appreciate the support.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Preface: By posting this, I 100% expect abusive negative trust, which further proves my point.

I *never* get involved with forum politics, but I have seen too much! I think that something must be done immediately regarding the abusive negative trust and over-policing of this forum. At this point, it has gone to the point where forum activity and growth is slowing down because members like me are starting to leave/become inactive due to how badly managed the trust system is. Let's take a look at some recent trust ratings. Take a look at a screenshot of trust Lauda has left Quickseller: https://gyazo.com/d69255a43ec4475ea391a6485dafb7f7

If you deal with this user you will get burned, and I will tag you as well.

What? Is Lauda staff to be doing something like that? Deal with Quickseller, and you get a red tag? This is too much, by not doing something, we are allowing this kind of abuse. I have had enough. Fix the situation, or suffer the consequences of declining growth, a toxic atmosphere, and abusive elite-rank members who ultimately we don't even need tagging most of the accounts anyways.

Please discuss.

Do you realise that Quickseller has a tarnished reputation here?
He was a very trustworthy guy but has several indiscretions against his name. He has numerous negative trust comments left by high ranking users. He’s not some innocent noob who got wrongly tagged.

I don’t think you know what you’re talking about in all honesty. You’re not going to get tagged for this thread but you’re probably going to get verbally destroyed for it.

Good luck.

Edit - Lol, this was suspiciously quick (pardon the pun)

I don’t know the OP, but I appreciate the support.

[sciack]

I don’t know the OP, but I appreciate the support.

Support? You're a part of the problem, you do/used to do the same things.

[sciack]

Preface: By posting this, I 100% expect abusive negative trust, which further proves my point.

I *never* get involved with forum politics, but I have seen too much! I think that something must be done immediately regarding the abusive negative trust and over-policing of this forum. At this point, it has gone to the point where forum activity and growth is slowing down because members like me are starting to leave/become inactive due to how badly managed the trust system is. Let's take a look at some recent trust ratings. Take a look at a screenshot of trust Lauda has left Quickseller: https://gyazo.com/d69255a43ec4475ea391a6485dafb7f7

If you deal with this user you will get burned, and I will tag you as well.

What? Is Lauda staff to be doing something like that? Deal with Quickseller, and you get a red tag? This is too much, by not doing something, we are allowing this kind of abuse. I have had enough. Fix the situation, or suffer the consequences of declining growth, a toxic atmosphere, and abusive elite-rank members who ultimately we don't even need tagging most of the accounts anyways.

Please discuss.

Do you realise that Quickseller has a tarnished reputation here?
He was a very trustworthy guy but has several indiscretions against his name. He has numerous negative trust comments left by high ranking users. He’s not some innocent noob who got wrongly tagged.

I don’t think you know what you’re talking about in all honesty. You’re not going to get tagged for this thread but you’re probably going to get verbally destroyed for it.

Good luck.

Edit - Lol, this was suspiciously quick (pardon the pun)

I don’t know the OP, but I appreciate the support.

Quickseller used to be a top-notch sheriff policeman on duty 24/7 who was praised and trusted for doing so. It's a pattern

[Quickseller]

I don’t know the OP, but I appreciate the support.

Support? You're a part of the problem, you do/used to do the same things.

I have never tagged anyone for being critical and there were a lot of sock puppet scammers doing exactly that. I also never responded to criticism with trolling, but instead responded to concerns. I also never prevented any scammer from being labeled as such.

Thank you very much.

[El duderino_]

Still if QS would have an item for sell around few BTC of price that I would really like and its in auction or something, then I would definitely buy that.....

Only I have always bought on good trust with people, every trade I have send first and received all of my buyings ... In a situation with QS I would just use escrow by MJ to be sure all goes good, and i'm sure in this kind of trade, Lauda wouldn't leave red trust (that would be insane imo) but I just take his saying more as a manner of speaking, not to be bothered with to much.

Not that I maybe ever will be in the situation what I just presented... but I think its just something that apply for more members.

I haven't been in QS situation myself, but what I read from many other members just makes me think that its probably not coming out of thin air....

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Fix the situation, or suffer the consequences of declining growth, a toxic atmosphere, and abusive elite-rank members who ultimately we don't even need tagging most of the accounts anyways.

Regarding the bolded part of your statement above, you're talking about Lauda and the tagging of people who deal with Quickseller here--please keep in mind that Lauda is one member out of many on DT and is the only one doing that as far as I know.

As for the need to tag accounts, I would suggest that there is a lot of tagging that does need to be done.  Scamming is allowed on this forum, as are a lot of other shady activities that won't result in a ban or any action by a moderator or Theymos.  And yeah, that leaves justice pretty much in the hands of DT members, and there are some judgements that will be controversial and won't agree with. 

I'm not saying anything one way or another about Lauda's statement.  I'm just saying that this doesn't represent how the entire DT system works.

[The-One-Above-All]

Lauda and his friends use red trust as a weapon to silence whistleblowers.  They are using red trust to facilitate scamming.

If you present any observable instances from laudas history here he does not want know, he will red trust you. This is clearly not what red trust is for but theymos does not even seem to care . Or perhaps you have a point but if you are rude to lauda (after that scammer ruins your account) then you don't have a point anymore you just did have a point you are now just crazy for being pissed off.

You notice his 2 main ass kissers LFC and the pharmacist are here to protect and stick up for lauda as usual.

LFC is laudas fucking cocksucker  

bill, I feel like a right ass hole but Lauda messaged me ... about you. She told me I should remove you from my trust list. I really didn’t want to do it because I do like you (a lot).

For my own comfort & to make my life easier I did it. I don’t want to get on the wrong side of them.

I am really sorry & I feel a dick for doing it. I had to tell you myself though before you see it yourself.

I hope you can forgive me.

LFC

laudas bitch puppet


The pharmacist said in public he does not know if lauda did a shady escrow or not but will defend him anyway out of loyalty.
You will get little support in meta.
The pharmacist is there on the extortion thread protecting him.  Basically most times you see lauda called out the pharmacist will be there smarming away trying to smooth it over and protect his actions.

The entire DT list is full of liars, scammers, untrustworthy scum and those that support those types of people.

Lauda is perhaps the central character but there are 10 or 15 hardcore lauda thralls or alts all meriting each other and including each other on DT and excluding similar people. It is a closed system and no way to oust them.

Since theymos is the only person that can get them out and he designed  the system that put them all straight back on DT and says they are "gray" after all they have done.

Nobody here will support what you are saying against lauda. It is a waste of time, you are dealing with a bunch of corrupt scammers, liars and the rest are trembling asskissing gimps who don't dare do shit. What a joke giving these dregs positions of trust and responsibility. Well they gave them to each other really via the super robust anti collusion merit/trust system someone made up on april fools and forgot to switch off again.

Expect moronbozo, foxpoop, the newanon, yogg, owlcatz, tman, suchmoon, hhampuz etc  all the sniveling wretches here to support laudas actions soon.

Lauda will turn up to tell you theymos is now the student and he is the master just to rub it in how screwed the board is now.

then your thread will just go to rep to join the grave yard of lauda is a piece of shit with all the other threads.

Vod even says you dare not speak out against him or he ruins your account

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5137144.msg50915510#msg50915510

With the amount of posts you have you may as well write off that account, they will find some reason to fuck with you soon enough now.

Meta is an echo chamber for corrupt DT's and proven scammers from the past.

I had to click on that trust link to read that was true, so lauda is saying if you buy something or make a deal with QS he will give you a red tag??  well he does give red out for presenting observable instances about himself so anything is possible. The rest of DT will condone it don't worry about that.  JOKE OF A SYSTEM.

[El duderino_]

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I am far from DT1 ..... and kiss no ass of nobody, except my GF's....

I can say who I like and who I don't, but as you are an instant post deleting member (in you pathetic thread about LFC) I feel i'm right to say you are untrustworthy by those actions that you do!!!, when someone brings you back the discussion you opened then you don't delete replies in that annoying self-moderated b*tch thread you got there!

I don't know Lauda only thing I know is he/she is wearing an XhomerX custum HAT and those are always been granted to good members imo

As LFC is always been good member who I talk and communicate with a lot....

The pharmacist is not someone I have ever talked with, but read some opinions on matters of him and they are to be respected a lot, cause most of the times right on the point and well helping (maybe a little short to me one time ) But then again he's one of the most liked members when I read many different opinions and that doesn't come easily....




Then the one-above-a-pile-of-sh*t is liked by no one, no one cares about what he has to say and he's annoying AF, also lack of normal civilised communicating and thats a very important aspect of being in this online space.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

most of the times right on the point and well helping (maybe a little short to me one time )

If I was short with you--and I don't doubt I was--please accept my apologies.  There are times when my emotions get the better of me and good members of bitcointalk get caught in the crossfire. 

The pharmacist said in public he does not know if lauda did a shady escrow or not but will defend him anyway out of loyalty.
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The pharmacist is there on the extortion thread protecting him.  Basically most times you see lauda called out the pharmacist will be there smarming away trying to smooth it over and protect his actions.

Yeah, I genuinely do not understand what went on with that escrow thing.  That's the truth, and I did read the thread(s) relating to that matter to the best of my ability, and that ability is limited in some cases.

The extortion thing is a divisive issue.  Either you believe it was a sting operation gone wrong or you believe it truly was an extortion attempt.  I fall on the side of it being a sting--and an ill-conceived one that obviously backfired very badly.

In my real life job, most of the people I come in contact with have been to jail, and there are no angels or saints present in the building.  During the time I've worked there I've come to accept that 1) everyone has told a lie at some point, and 2) people's character should not be defined by their best or worst act.  Thus I am able to forgive certain indiscretions depending on the severity, and I'm also able to tolerate a certain amount of crap from members here if they have otherwise proven themselves to be trusted and valuable members of the community.  And of course there is a limit to that. 

But I think very carefully before giving a neg to someone on DT, for example, or a very senior member with a good reputation.  Their transgressions would have to be blatant and severe for me to give them negative trust.  Every case is different.

Lauda has done a hell of a lot to keep scammers and other shitballs at bay.  If you combine that with the fact that I don't believe Lauda is an extortionist and can't determine the escrow thing, you'll understand why I've stepped in to defend him/her/it/we/you/them from time to time.

[TECSHARE]

If you deal with this user you will get burned, and I will tag you as well.

Again, I have no love for Quickseller, but now Lauda is proscribing who is allowed to deal with who around here? When I say this place is turning into a digital version of East Germany the comparison becomes more appropriate every day. These are literal Communist tactics of unpersoning. You guys are cool with this trend? You think it won't affect you because  you are "one of the boys"? It just hasn't been your turn yet... it will be.

I can say who I like and who I don't...

Start publicly criticizing one of the priest class and see how long you still believe that. This constant grievance posting is a direct result of everyone ignoring these abuses and is only going to continue to increase because everyone wants to bury their head in the sand and pretend there is no basis for these complaints.

[Vod]

I'd like to contribute.  When OG was pretending to be my friend for free advertising, he told me many lies about Lauda.  I removed my trust for Lauda, and for a period even had Lauda excluded from my trust network.  OG told me similar lies about Blazed.

Nothing bad happened to me other than OG posting PMs taken out of context, as usual.   Thank goodness we got that sorted out. 

[suchmoon]

This shit's definitely gone too far. If only there was something else we could do, like maybe theymos could implement a forum feature allowing us to express our displeasure or even - gasp - distrust of certain individuals so that we wouldn't need 15 threads about each one.

[BeneShiPos]

makes 0 sense to give bad trust to someone legit transacting with someone else

[Blazed]

I'd like to contribute.  When OG was pretending to be my friend for free advertising, he told me many lies about Lauda.  I removed my trust for Lauda, and for a period even had Lauda excluded from my trust network.  OG told me similar lies about Blazed.

Nothing bad happened to me other than OG posting PMs taken out of context, as usual.   Thank goodness we got that sorted out. 

What lies were said about me? I am not one to stir the pot, but would love to hear how I have somehow scammed someone...

[TECSHARE]

This shit's definitely gone too far. If only there was something else we could do, like maybe theymos could implement a forum feature allowing us to express our displeasure or even - gasp - distrust of certain individuals so that we wouldn't need 15 threads about each one.

Yeah, why would you just voice your displeasure in a post and reserve the trust system for trust related matters like an adult instead of using it as a system to arbitrarily punish your enemies? WHAT A CONCEPT!

[suchmoon]

This shit's definitely gone too far. If only there was something else we could do, like maybe theymos could implement a forum feature allowing us to express our displeasure or even - gasp - distrust of certain individuals so that we wouldn't need 15 threads about each one.

Yeah, why would you just voice your displeasure in a post and reserve the trust system for trust related matters like an adult instead of using it as a system to arbitrarily punish your enemies? WHAT A CONCEPT!

I'm fine with that course of action too. It's the OP who seems to be unhappy with merely bitching about it and says "something must be done immediately".

[TECSHARE]

This shit's definitely gone too far. If only there was something else we could do, like maybe theymos could implement a forum feature allowing us to express our displeasure or even - gasp - distrust of certain individuals so that we wouldn't need 15 threads about each one.

Yeah, why would you just voice your displeasure in a post and reserve the trust system for trust related matters like an adult instead of using it as a system to arbitrarily punish your enemies? WHAT A CONCEPT!

I'm fine with that course of action too. It's the OP who seems to be unhappy with merely bitching about it and says "something must be done immediately".

You are fine with that, as long as it is everyone else practicing it and you get to use these as tools of retribution for yourself and your pals right? GREAT IDEA! I will totally endorse this then not practice it at all!