Proposal - Upgrade of the rank system

[Nikisa]

Hi Bitcointalk community!

A little more than 7 months ago, I created and lead a topic: ⭐ Forum chronicle - UP Rank List - Congratulations! (BPIP Merit stat, Trust) ⭐

Lately I've noticed that the limit activity honoured prevents users to obtain a new rank. For example:

	User name		Merit Now		Activity		Rank
	Pmalek		1040		952		Hero Member
	bob123		1031		910		Hero Member

Both users have more than 1000 Merit, more than 900 Activities, but still remain Hero Member's. Maybe it's time to change the ranking system a bit?

As of may 31, 2109, we have such a system of ranks:

	Rank	Description	Tag	Required merit
	Brand New:	0 posts, gets 1 gold coin under his name.		0
	Newbie:	(none), gets 1 gold coin under his name.		0
	Jr. Member:	Activity: 30, gets 1 gold coin under his name.		1
	Member:	Activity: 60, gets 2 gold coins under his name.		10
	Full Member:	Activity: 120, gets 3 gold coins under his name.		100
	Sr. Member:	Activity: 240, gets 4 gold coins under his name.		250
	Hero Member:	Activity: 480, gets 5 gold coins under his name.		500
	Legendary:	Activity: 775-1030, gets 5 gold coins under his name of which the last is half dark blue.		1000

When introduced this system of raising the rank on activity, about the likely Merit even one more thought. But in January 2018, Merit appeared and the system of ranks where activity plays a major role and hinders the development of especially honored users is somewhat outdated. I propose to revise the ranking system and lower the minimum activity for higher ranks. This will contribute to the fact that especially honored users will receive ranks faster and it will motivate all users to write high-quality posts, rather than stuffing activity.

My proposal:

	Rank	Description	Tag	Required merit
	Brand New:	0 posts, gets 1 gold coin under his name.		0
	Newbie:	(none), gets 1 gold coin under his name.		0
	Jr. Member:	Activity: 25, gets 1 gold coin under his name.		1
	Member:	Activity: 50, gets 2 gold coins under his name.		10
	Full Member:	Activity: 100, gets 3 gold coins under his name.		100
	Sr. Member:	Activity: 200, gets 4 gold coins under his name.		250
	Hero Member:	Activity: 400, gets 5 gold coins under his name.		500
	Legendary:	Activity: 600, gets 5 gold coins under his name of which the last is half dark blue.		1000
	Self-Made Legendary:	Activity: 800, gets 5 gold coins under his name of which the last is half DarkTurquoise(For example)		2000

Comments, corrections, suggestions, additions as usual accepted and welcome!  

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[yahoo62278]

The users have the merit requirement already but the activity requirement is different for all users to hit Legendary status.

Legendary:   Activity: the Legendary membergroup has no universal activity requirement.
You are guaranteed to become Legendary somewhere between 775 and 1030 activity,
but the exact point in this range at which you become Legendary is random per user.
Gets 5 gold coins under his name of which the last is half dark blue.

You can find the requirements HERE

[HCP]

You're missing the point that if a user account was created today, when they get 1000 merit, they are a so-called "self-made" legendary...

In any case, all this "self-made" stuff is just nothing more than 'peacocking'. Actual Legendary members don't (and shouldn't) care.

If the majority of users here cared a little less about merits and rank, and a bit more about actually contributing in a meaningful way, simply because it helped the community, we'd be a lot better off.

[bitmover]

If the majority of users here cared a little less about merits and rank, and a bit more about actually contributing in a meaningful way, simply because it helped the community, we'd be a lot better off.

I think both objectives can be accomplished together.
I want to rank up and to contribute to the forum. The more you contribute, more merit you get and faster you rank up.

I don't think activity requirements should change, as it would not be fair with old users.

[El duderino_]

You're missing the point that if a user account was created today, when they get 1000 merit, they are a so-called "self-made" legendary...

In any case, all this "self-made" stuff is just nothing more than 'peacocking'. Actual Legendary members don't (and shouldn't) care.

If the majority of users here cared a little less about merits and rank, and a bit more about actually contributing in a meaningful way, simply because it helped the community, we'd be a lot better off.

Being early in BTC and contribute in this forum when all of the rest still didn't hear of BTC should already make the legendary members a little more legendary for just being the first to believe in BTC and start discussing the matter that early...

I would suggest to give the real older accounts an extra colour of shield, so people can easily see that those guys are some real community builders.

"just some thought"

[El duderino_]

If the majority of users here cared a little less about merits and rank, and a bit more about actually contributing in a meaningful way, simply because it helped the community, we'd be a lot better off.

I think both objectives can be accomplished together.
I want to rank up and to contribute to the forum. The more you contribute, more merit you get and faster you rank up.

I don't think activity requirements should change, as it would not be fair with old users.

Also the activity is whats most difficult cause its taking time and some members just want it to happen fast....

So if one wants to be contributing then he will not mind of spending time in here and doing so.

[DdmrDdmr]

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There are not that many people in the situation indicated in the OP (enough merits but not enough activity to rank-up). I make it (as of last Friday):

-   8 Heroes, lacking at least the minimum current value of the range necessary to become Legendary.
-   19 Sr. Members lacking activity for Hero.
-   15 Full Members lacking activity for Sr. Member.
-   23 Members lacking activity for Full  Member.

-   460 Jr. Members lacking activity for Member. (*)
-   3618 Newbies lacking activity for Jr. Member (*)
-   185 Brand new lacking activity for Jr. Member (*)

The core currently "affected" is only of around 65 profiles (Member rank onwards), which is not significant enough to suggest a need for a change in the activity parameter in relation to the merit parameter.

(*) The lower ranks have a larger base, but activity is trivial to reach for them in a short period of time. Numbers are larger here, but many of these account (not all) correspond to demoted accounts by means of deleting posts and/or accounts that have been inactive for a while.

[Nikisa]

The core currently "affected" is only of around 65 profiles (Member rank onwards), which is not significant enough to suggest a need for a change in the activity parameter in relation to the merit parameter.

Yes, now it is 65 profiles. In a month there will be 70, in 2 months 100, etc. I do not call to change the system today, I suggest just to think about this issue.

[lobcmt2]

The point is Legendary rank does not have same activity requirements for all users, each user has own lucky number, at which the account will be ranked up to Legendary. I remembered that around less than one month ago, I read a topic from some Legendary users or Hero Members whom ask theymos for their lucky numbers. There are some reasons, that I believe Hero Members whom collected enough at least 1000 merits won't care too much about when they will become Legendary members. Firstly, two ranks have same payment rates in campaigns. Secondly, from Hero to Legendary ranks are a very far journey, and people whom made it (collecting enough merits) actually love their works in the forum, they do their works because they love it, so ranking up later one or two months does not a matter with them.

[LoyceV]

Self-Made Legendary:

Activity: 800, gets 5 gold coins under his name of which the last is half DarkTurquoise(For example)

2000

Please don't make me this color

I see no reason to lower Activity requirements, before the Merit system users had to "wait" for years to earn Legendary status too.

There are not that many people in the situation indicated in the OP (enough merits but not enough activity to rank-up). I make it (as of last Friday):

-   8 Heroes, lacking at least the minimum current value of the range necessary to become Legendary.
-   19 Sr. Members lacking activity for Hero.
-   15 Full Members lacking activity for Sr. Member.
-   23 Members lacking activity for Full  Member.

I've seen a few users with loads of Merit and low Activity, that makes it very likely their posts are worth reading.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

No I'm comfortable with the way it is, infact if there was a reason for any change, it should involve increasing the activity requirement for each rank. The only reason why someone will be interested in lowering the activity requirement is just to rank up quickly to get better pay via signature campaign. I'm not in a hurry to rank-up via activity.

Your rank should reflect how long you have been active on the forum. With the current activity requirement it'll take a newbie just approximately 4years (with required merit) to get a legendary status which is too soon if you ask me. 6/7years seems fair. Lets put some respect on the ranks.

[logfiles]

That would make the Legendary rank so much easy to achieve even with the merit system in place.
If my math is right, with your implementation, it would take a regular poster just 602 days to 2 year to achieve legendary rank and with in a time of 3 to 4 years, the Legendary rank will just be flooded and it will definitely lose it's respected community status.
I think the current model is okay.

[Thirdspace]

Both users have more than 1000 Merit, more than 900 Activities, but still remain Hero Member's. Maybe it's time to change the ranking system a bit?
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I propose to revise the ranking system and lower the minimum activity for higher ranks. This will contribute to the fact that especially honored users will receive ranks faster and it will motivate all users to write high-quality posts, rather than stuffing activity.

it works as designed, ranking up to Legendary always happen at random activity point but guaranteed before 1030
imo, lowering requirement doesn't count as an upgrade, on the contrary it would degrade the significance of ranks
rank is basically a time-based achievement while merit shows quality of the rank holder
this combination makes it somewhat harder for account farmer to game the current rank/merit system

[mikeywith]

Yes, now it is 65 profiles. In a month there will be 70, in 2 months 100, etc.

This statement is inaccurate from a statistical stand point, there is absoulitly no guarantee that the number of users who have enough merit but suffer lack of activity is going to increase.

There is a good possiblity it is going to decrease, remain somehow the same, or simply follow your prediction.

By all means i don't think any changes are required for now, despite the fact that i always have more merits than activity, i personally think it's fun, i will most likely be a legendary merit wise  before becoming hero activity wise which is fine by me as long as i get all the privileges a legendary gets 

[Pmalek]

Being one of the members mentioned in the OP's post I don't really mind waiting. Feels like a lottery, you are waiting for your magic numbers to pop up.
I did see that thread that was created a few weeks ago where users asked theymos what their magic number was, I didn't ask him - it is more fun this way.

A question though. Why is this magic number only applicable to the Legendary rank while other ranks have a fixed activity number? 

[Jet Cash]

In any case, all this "self-made" stuff is just nothing more than 'peacocking'. Actual Legendary members don't (and shouldn't) care.

I don't think the total is important, but the merits for individual posts and threads are useful. They give the poster a feel for community opinion about his comments. I've stopped posting about several topics and ideas because they don't receive any merits or replies.

The idea behind the merit system is to encourage posting that is of benefit to the community, and rank should not enter into it. However, most members still seem to consider merits as a ranking aid, and not as a tool to help them to improve their posting.

[asche]

What I retain from this proposition is that the activity is now secondary IMHO.

Now that usually merit is way harder to get than activity, why not loosen up a little the activity required.

2 years to become legendary (700 activity) seems to be more than enough to me. IF the user manages to get 1000 merit in that timeframe, he surely deserves it :=)

[LoyceV]

2 years to become legendary (700 activity) seems to be more than enough to me.

This is the opposite of "the usual discussion" about ranks: usually the suggestion is to add a new rank, for instance with 2000 Activity and 2000 Merit.
Lowering the requirements for Legendary will only lead to more users with the same rank, while adding a new rank will make some users stand out again.

[asche]

This is the opposite of "the usual discussion" about ranks: usually the suggestion is to add a new rank, for instance with 2000 Activity and 2000 Merit.
Lowering the requirements for Legendary will only lead to more users with the same rank, while adding a new rank will make some users stand out again.

Both don't need to be exclusive.
And I get the utility of activity requirements from when it was the only requirement.

Now that you need merit, and that it is almost impossible to cheat your way up with merit abuse, activity's added value is fairly low.

This doesn't change your point that a new rank can be relevant.

Quick example: There are users that have 500+ merit but only like 200 activity. Why would they need to wait for the Hero rank. The added value they provide to the forum is already the one of a Hero member or even above.

I have the feeling that you want the highest ranks to be as elitist as possible, and I am wondering why. The ranks aren't exclusive. If a lot of members get enough merit/activity to reach it, why would that be a bad thing? Do you need to be part of the 1%?

[LoyceV]

Quick example: There are users that have 500+ merit but only like 200 activity. Why would they need to wait for the Hero rank.

It's always been like that: good posters always needed to earn Activity before their rank went up, even before we had Merit.

The added value they provide to the forum is already the one of a Hero member or even above.

A better way to make them stand out could be lowering the airdropped Merit, raising the bar for everyone instead of lowering it.

I have the feeling that you want the highest ranks to be as elitist as possible

I don't feel that way. If there's going to be a new rank above Legendary, I expect to need at least 1.5 years (@2k Activity) or 4.5 years (@3k Activity) before I reach that.

Do you need to be part of the 1%?

When I look at my wallet, I know I'm not