Proposal - Upgrade of the rank system

[asche]

It's always been like that: good posters always needed to earn Activity before their rank went up, even before we had Merit.

I'd say you are too young to use such sentences, but I have no clue what your actual age is.

A better way to make them stand out could be lowering the airdropped Merit, raising the bar for everyone instead of lowering it.

I'd like that too, but what is done is done, I don't see anyone getting demoted anytime soon.

Introduction of merit already rose the bar for everyone. Decreasing activity would only lower the bar to a very low amount of outstanding members. Not unlike yourself.

I don't feel that way. If there's going to be a new rank above Legendary, I expect to need at least 1.5 years (@2k Activity) or 4.5 years (@3k Activity) before I reach that.

Why should time even be relevant to this? I can see why it should be relevant in some extent, avoiding farming accounts, and or being of value for just a short amount of time before stopping and starting to shitpost, but 1000 days are a long time for the best among us.

I 'd love it if they could stand out more by becoming higher rank faster. Admittedly this is only about a small share of users.

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[Thirdspace]

Quick example: There are users that have 500+ merit but only like 200 activity. Why would they need to wait for the Hero rank.

It's always been like that: good posters always needed to earn Activity before their rank went up, even before we had Merit.

I want to ask similar question, why would they need to get higher rank in shorter time?
lets be honest, most people that complain a lot about rank & merit are those with 'a motive'
and their ulterior motive is to join signature camp and get higher pay rate

"500+ merit but only like 200 activity"
I think you are referring to nullius Full Member 168 Activity and 776 merit
he has enough merit for Hero Member rank but I don't think he ever complained about it
why? because rank isn't important for him, he bought copper membership instead

I 'd love it if they could stand out more by becoming higher rank faster. Admittedly this is only about a small share of users.

high merited user having lower rank is even more stand out, like nullius as example

[asche]

I'm not saying they do need it.

I'm just saying that since 90%+ of users reach activity before merit, the activity barrier is somewhat redundant.

It's not like I am actively protesting for that change to happen. Just a healthy discussion

Thank you for your input.

[LoyceV]

I don't feel that way. If there's going to be a new rank above Legendary, I expect to need at least 1.5 years (@2k Activity) or 4.5 years (@3k Activity) before I reach that.

Why should time even be relevant to this?

Thirdspace gave a good example: nullius! He made great posts and made many posts per week, but was active for less than 5 months. Staying for many years shows prolonged dedication.

I'm just saying that since 90%+ of users reach activity before merit, the activity barrier is somewhat redundant.

It's probably closer to 99.9% of all users, but I see your point

[Theb]

Self-Made Legendary:

Activity: 800, gets 5 gold coins under his name of which the last is half DarkTurquoise(For example)

2000

Oh please I couldn't even call them "self-made" if you have lowered the activity requirements for them in order to get into that position. And by my understanding a "self-made" Legendary are the ones who only ranked up to the that position after the merit system was introduced so I don't get why you have to double the merit requirements for that kind of rank, it only means you really don't know what you are talking about. This is what I call a solution for a non-existent problem, most users here have to deal with earning merits and not their activity.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Thirdspace gave a good example: nullius! He made great posts and made many posts per week, but was active for less than 5 months. Staying for many years shows prolonged dedication.

Pretty much this. And you don't have to be extremely technologically knowledgeable like nullius was (I'm certainly not) to rack up a large amount of merit in a short time.

Speaking as someone who would have become a legendary member months ago without the activity limit, I don't think removing it would have any great benefit to the forum. To reach legendary you should be able to prove you can make good posts and you are interested/dedicated enough to stick around for a couple of years. There isn't even a difference between hero and legendary in terms of what signature they can display, or in the pay rate for most (all?) signature campaigns.

[HCP]

And by my understanding a "self-made" Legendary are the ones who only ranked up to the that position after the merit system was introduced

No... the "self-made" moniker is used by some folk who have earned 1000 merit after the airdrop happened.

It's basically a claim that even without the airdropped merit, they would still be a Legendary today... as opposed to some of the Legendary accounts which ranked up prior to merit... and now have like 1001 merit

[r1s2g3]

Theymos like to give surprises by not fixing the activity number. but in any case difference is still less than a year if some is promoted in minimum activity and someone promoted in max activity, provided they remain active,=.

[naska21]

@OP,

[hd49728]

I would add just one rank namely Legendary Hero (+2500 merits earned)  to what forum has right now.

neither had been adopted. Perhaps  there are some  reasons for that. One of them - low priority task,  but  nonetheless,  that involves extra coding.  

I don't think there are too much works with coding, but possible main reason is there are very less users hit such 2000 merits earned, only four (six in coming weeks) by now, including theymos. So, what's the point to have a new rank with only four members right now? Maybe in the far future, next one or two years, theymos might consider new rank above Legendary. Please check the Most Merited column on this page for this information: https://bpip.org/default.aspx

[Nikisa]

Self-Made Legendary:

Activity: 800, gets 5 gold coins under his name of which the last is half DarkTurquoise(For example)

2000

Oh please I couldn't even call them "self-made" if you have lowered the activity requirements for them in order to get into that position. And by my understanding a "self-made" Legendary are the ones who only ranked up to the that position after the merit system was introduced so I don't get why you have to double the merit requirements for that kind of rank, it only means you really don't know what you are talking about. This is what I call a solution for a non-existent problem, most users here have to deal with earning merits and not their activity.

I know exactly what I'm talking about. It was a proposal to introduce a new rank for users with 2000+ Merit. What kind of doubling are you talking about?

[tbct_mt2]

If there is such a new rank, it should be a rank for oustanding guys, so I suggest this new rank requires 4000 merits at least, not 2000. Someone hits that rank will be a precious asset of the forum. I discussed about the more common words in the forum, self-made here. There might be no extra benefit for users at such rank, but they will enjoy it as a honor for their huge contributions here.

I made that mistake myself a few weeks ago thinking the same but a user corrected me in saying that self-made Legendaries are those users that reach Legendary rank from Newbie rank.  

I knew it, but I still would prefer to use the name-calling, self-made, because I think we should not make things become overcomplicated like this. Self-made, half-self-made, and so forth. Basically, the implications behind the self-made name-calling is to disclose that such users have made good contributions in the forum, and they received enough merits to move up from lower ranks to higher ranks. That's all. There is LoyceV, whom received nearly 3000 Merits till now. LoyceV is clearly not a self-made Legendary, but probably worths more than most of upcoming self-made Legendary users.

[bones261]

I Hope A Someday Be A Legenergy Member Two!!

    Well, you can start by learning the difference between two, too and to. I can understand someone confusing too and to, but using two in your above sentence is just inexcusable.   (Using 2 would have been acceptable, I guess.)
    Furthermore, I reviewed your short post history. If you want to become a legendary, you are going to have to provide a bit more content than insubstantial one liners... Of the 5 posts that you posted so far, I couldn't even find one that I'd consider giving even one mercy merit to.

[tbct_mt2]

   Well, you can start by learning the difference between two, too and to.

That guy should consider my topic, as one of place to start learning and improving English skills.
Collections for someone who would like to improve English skills

[wwzsocki]

Always the most important was the activity and not, how many years one is on the forum.

If I am not wrong, three years are needed to be a Legendary, if you post one post a day during this time.

Activity is a perfect measure and from start was never changed (I think), so why to repair something which isn't broken and work for so long?

I am here from 6 years and just 2 months ago, I was still a senior member, because like I said, not the time, but activity is important.

The merit system was introduced, as an additional quality measure and works just fine, because keeps spammers low ranked for years.

Maybe there are not enough merits on some boards, but with every week, there will be more and the situation should improve slowly.

[Vod]

If there is such a new rank, it should be a rank for oustanding guys, so I suggest this new rank requires 4000 merits at least, not 2000.

Lofty goal, but for the foreseeable future, will contain few users.

Right now there are only five members above 2,000 merited.

Whatever/whenever new rank is implemented in Epochtalk, I hope the categorized activity above that new rank will decay over time.  Break the forum into x categories and allow a profile to only earn activity from one category at a time.

[asche]

allow a profile to only earn activity from one category at a time.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean with this, and how this is going to be better than earning activity thoughout the forum?