Legendary Member's ban appeal

[btcrevo]

Sorry for the late reply, folks - as I mentioned earlier, I'm on vacation.

Well, yes - cat's out of the bag. It was a bought account. I don't say this as an attempt to shield myself with it as an excuse, but I was introduced to the forum through the type of shady members that buy and sell accounts, and the normality of such practice was exaggerated in my mind. Quickly, I came to realize that that was an unwise move, but by then I had considerably invested in my presence here and figured that, since the majority of my activity was mine, it would be something to blow over. Evidently not, but I'm okay with it. Took it off my conscience, even though it may not have been in the best way.

However, I do urge the community, especially Lauda, to reconsider (if even briefly) the understandably hostile position that one may default to. I agree - account and trust farmers are despicable. However, neither of those terms are applicable to me. You'll see that I only dealt in the PayPal to BTC transactions that my lifestyle makes most convenient, and the DT ratings that I picked up along the way were simply byproducts of such. I dealt with many more non-DT members during my time here (among which was my largest transactions with the people that I trusted, even though they weren't necessarily on DT) as seen on my trust feedback.

I should have come clean of my own accord before this, explaining my situation and that I didn’t have ill intents, I know. But I do hope that the relationships that I built during my time here help attest against that as well.

Best wishes.

[Quickseller]

Do you remember the account you bought your account from? Do you have the wallet file you used to pay for it? If so, can you post the TXID?

My personal opinion is that you should not be punished for buying your account 4 years ago via your trust score. I am willing to debate anyone who disagrees with this, and anyone who is unwilling to defend the trust ratings they leave has no business anywhere near DT.

I believe you should be unbanned if you really bought your account, and there was no plagiarism after you bought it. Unfortunately, the prior owner plagiarized a lot, and this person probably should have all their accounts permabanned. Also, unfortunately, it takes a lot of effort on the part of the administration to verify the claim your account was sold, and I don't know for sure either of the admins will be able to take the time to verify your account was actually sold.

[rosezionjohn]

It's really funny to see someone who bought an account and then sending negative feedback to possibly bought accounts. It even took a ban for you to finally admit. 

[mikeywith]

The positives he got are justifiable for keeping his end of the deals he made,  the negatives he got and going to get are also justifiable.

However the funny part is that when someone buys an account they want to enjoy every single benefit of the previous owner's achievements ( possitive feedback, merit, activity , repuation) but nobody wants to take any responsiblity for the mistakes.

Having said that and given his contribution - i think a temp-ban is a good enough punishment.

[suchmoon]

I'm starting to really hate this can of worms that theymos decided to open for bill gator. So now every asshole will be able to weasel out of a ban with some whining and helpful hints from an account farmer/trader? And why should this one get a temp ban? Just unban him altogether and give him back his signature, he's got a perfect alibi

Speaking of bill, I don't recall him bringing the real plagiarizer (the person who sold him the account) to justice. Should be the minimum requirement for getting any kind of lenience on the grounds of an account purchase. Just shows how those account buyers don't really care much beyond their signature spam.

[hilariousetc]

I'm starting to really hate this can of worms that theymos decided to open for bill gator. So now every asshole will be able to weasel out of a ban with some whining and helpful hints from an account farmer/trader? And why should this one get a temp ban? Just unban him altogether and give him back his signature, he's got a perfect alibi

As I said before, a lot of people are going to use this excuse and it's going to be something that is hard to verify (and most won't be able or willing to provide proof that they bought the account either). There's also the issue of who we unban and don't. I keep getting messages asking for unbans because people have started to notice we're doing them now, but it's meant to be for people who are a "net positive" to the forum (which is obviously a very subjective thing anyway), but a lot of people who are messaging me either have no earned merit or only one or two or handful at best. These people usually don't really fall under the 'net positive' term, but is it still fair that a Hero/legendary account gets banned for one/two/a handful of copy and pastes whilst others get off?  Maybe we should consider some sort of fee/fine to get their account (or signature) back for the others who don't qualify. As recently discussed the money could go to charity. I would see it like paying a speeding fine. Whilst copy and pasting is still a serious offence here it can sometimes still be quite harsh to get a death sentence for it, especially if it's only a few copy and pastes and there's a lot of people who aren't going to meet the net positive terms and it's a hassle for staff to keep having to decide who does and doesn't get lenience and the ones who don't are going to whine and pester us about it. Maybe paying a fine to charity will just make things easier. Yes, people shouldn't have copied and pasted in the first place but we could see this as paying their debt back to society so at least some good comes of it.

[Tajuluc]

maybe i dont know too much of the site laws ,but should selling account's not be an ilegal stuff? many people proposed that but i find it quite unfair and non ethical,for the reputation of the site such things should be aborded.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

My personal opinion is that you should not be punished for buying your account 4 years ago via your trust score. I am willing to debate anyone who disagrees with this, and anyone who is unwilling to defend the trust ratings they leave has no business anywhere near DT.

See, I trust bitcoin revo based on our interactions, which is why I left him positive trust--and I still trust him, despite the fact that he bought the account.  There's no official statute of limitations as far as tagging people for account dealing, but what he did is far in the past IMO.  

The fact is that after taking control of the bitcoin revo account, the present owner hasn't been a shitposter, a scammer, or even a plagiarizer as far as I know.  Plus he's been honest in his transactions with me.  This is why I'm comfortable leaving the positives I've left for him intact.  Not disclosing the fact that he bought the account isn't a transgression in and of itself, and I certainly understand why he wouldn't advertise that fact.

I'm open to dissent, but I'm pretty sure I'm doing no harm by doing nothing in this case.

maybe i dont know too much of the site laws ,but should selling account's not be an ilegal stuff? many people proposed that but i find it quite unfair and non ethical,for the reputation of the site such things should be aborded.

My opinion is that account sales ought to be banned on the forum, but Theymos obviously doesn't want to go that route.  Nor does he want to ban scammers for that matter.  That's why DT members have been tagging both--to make up for this glaring shortfall of rules.

[Quickseller]

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Thanks for explaining your thought process. I wasn’t referring to you in my comment though.

I would generally agree with your logic in this case.

[johhnyUA]

See, I trust bitcoin revo based on our interactions, which is why I left him positive trust--and I still trust him, despite the fact that he bought the account.  There's no official statute of limitations as far as tagging people for account dealing, but what he did is far in the past IMO.  

First feedback:
Risked BTC amount - 0.01567000
Date - 2017-04-08
Bitcoin price on this date - 1172 $
So, risked usd amount - 18 dollars and 28 cent.

Second feedback:
Risked BTC amount - 0.02
Date - 2019-03-25
Bitcoin price on this date - 3972 $
It's approximately 80 dollars.

18.28 + 80 = 98.28 $

Average cost of legendary account is about (as i know) 1000-2000 dollars for now.

Yep, trustworthy, without a doubt.  

[btcrevo]

It's really funny to see someone who bought an account and then sending negative feedback to possibly bought accounts. It even took a ban for you to finally admit.  

I gave negative feedback to accounts that I felt were at high risk of being used for taking advantage of their status or reputation to scam by their new owners, and I will remain by those feedbacks even now. Yes, I played judge and jury and executioner with my subjective view, but your oversimplified statement overlooks the fact that this account was either a Jr. Member or a Member (can't remember) when I acquired possession of it and it had no trust feedback whatsoever - nothing like the accounts I chose to tag.

See, I trust bitcoin revo based on our interactions, which is why I left him positive trust--and I still trust him, despite the fact that he bought the account.  There's no official statute of limitations as far as tagging people for account dealing, but what he did is far in the past IMO.  

18.28 + 80 = 98.28 $

Average cost of legendary account is about (as i know) 1000-2000 dollars for now.

Yep, trustworthy, without a doubt.  

You might be referring to the basis of trust that The Pharmacist has for me, but it sounds like you're trying to derail my "trustworthiness" to 98 dollars and 28 cents so I'll ask you to scan through the rest of my trades as well. It may not compare to full-time traders here, but it still exceeds the amount that you posted - if that's any scale to how trustworthy one may be, which isn't. There are other factors such as timeliness, reliability, etc etc which I hope I exemplified to The Pharmacist during my interactions with him here, of whom will likely be taking those other factors into consideration.

I'm starting to really hate this can of worms that theymos decided to open for bill gator. So now every asshole will be able to weasel out of a ban with some whining and helpful hints from an account farmer/trader? And why should this one get a temp ban? Just unban him altogether and give him back his signature, he's got a perfect alibi

Speaking of bill, I don't recall him bringing the real plagiarizer (the person who sold him the account) to justice. Should be the minimum requirement for getting any kind of lenience on the grounds of an account purchase. Just shows how those account buyers don't really care much beyond their signature spam.

As biased as I am on this case, I get it. I do. Seeing a shit ton of people using this excuse and knowing that some of them may just be using it as a deceptive second chance at spamming for a few extra coins is infuriating, and there needs to be more thought put into this so that this isn't used as precedent for one of those fake cases to succeed in the future as well. However, I do ask that context is considered and I'm not grouped together in with yobit spammers or trust abusers that take advantage of account prestige.

[suchmoon]

As biased as I am on this case, I get it. I do. Seeing a shit ton of people using this excuse and knowing that some of them may just be using it as a deceptive second chance at spamming for a few extra coins is infuriating, and there needs to be more thought put into this so that this isn't used as precedent for one of those fake cases to succeed in the future as well. However, I do ask that context is considered and I'm not grouped together in with yobit spammers or trust abusers that take advantage of account prestige.

Luckily for you, I'm not making those decisions... I don't envy hilariousandco and other globals&admins though

[Veleor]

<...> I keep getting messages asking for unbans because people have started to notice we're doing them now, but it's meant to be for people who are a "net positive" to the forum (which is obviously a very subjective thing anyway), but a lot of people who are messaging me either have no earned merit or only one or two or handful at best. These people usually don't really fall under the 'net positive' term <...>

Set minimum requirements for appeals, so people will know their odds from the beginning and will bother you less.

[philipma1957]

<...> but a permanent ban disregarding what I've done this community for two damn lines 4 years ago is infuriating

This is not the only message which you copied. Almost all of your first comments you took from other members or websites.


Copy:

Faucets pay so very very little.  You can in most cases hope for a few cent's a hour.  It is sad, but it's true.

Original:

Faucets pay so very very little.  You can in most cases hope for a few cent's a hour.  It is sad, but it's true.

Copy:

might actually just be a better idea to wait and see what will actually happen with the fork ?

Original:

this is true as well, it might actually just be a better idea to wait and see what will actually happen with the fork, and in the meantime prices might fall quite a bit, or a new hard drive might be released with even better specs for the same price

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Copy:

I watched Goodfellas for the first time quite recently - it's certainly now in my top 10 I think.

Original:

I watched Goodfellas for the first time quite recently - it's certainly now in my top 10 I think.

Copy:

Totally respect that. riskier now. but more risk sometimes comes with more potential reward, but it is far from guaranteed.

Original:

Totally respect that. Riskier now. More risk sometimes comes with more potential reward, but it is far from guaranteed.

Copy:

So many #bitcoin startups are sprouting all over the place and it is going more and more mainstream day by day. It will only get better and better over the coming year. I see this coming year as being the tipping point for Bitcoin Prices to surge.

Original:

So many #bitcoin startups are sprouting all over the place and it is going more and more mainstream day by day. It will only get better and better over the coming year. I see this coming year as being the tipping point for Bitcoin Prices to surge. <...>

Copy:

Basically in a high crime area can be used as reasonable suspicion to stop that person and investigate him

Original:

Basically says that fleeing at the sight of police in a high crime area can be used as reasonable suspicion to stop that person and investigate him.

Copy:

Have you managed to get to any conclusion in your thread ? This will save me a lot of reading...

Original:

Have you managed to get to any conclusion in your thread ? This will save me a lot of reading...Thanks.

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Copy:

They have put a considerable effort into their site, they seem to have ambitions to expand as a bitcoin business

Original:

They have put a considerable effort into their site, they seem to have ambitions to expand as a bitcoin business <...>

Copy:

This really confuses me. There is literally no protection against for the buyer to get scammed? Am I right or wrong?

Original:

This really confuses me. There is literally no protection against for the buyer to get scammed? Am I right or wrong?

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Copy:

One of the most important things for this to work is confidence, since dev are an anonymous newbie

Original:

One of the most important things for this to work is confidence.. since you (dev) are an anonymous newbie <...>

Copy:

I understand how people feel about these other Bitcoin copies, alternatives.
However I still believe that alternative Crypto currencies good for bitcoin and the community.

Original:

I understand how people feel about these other Bitcoin copies, alternatives.
However I still believe that alternative Crypto currencies good for bitcoin and the community.

Copy:

decentralized or anonymous, or you can consider them as anonymous as the internet is, which we know is not as anonymous as we would like ?

Original:

descentralized or anonymous, or you can consider them as anonymous as the internet is, which we know is not as anonymous as we would like.

Copy:

Since it has such a high difficulty and such a low supply, Bitcoin will be worth thousands of dollars each in a few years!

Original:

Since it has such a high difficulty and such a low supply, tacocoin will be worth millions each in a few days!

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Copy:

could you give a brief guide on how to setup to solo mine ? I have never been able to figure it out
thanks

Original:

could you give a brief guide on how to setup to solo mine ? I have never been able to figure it out
thanks

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Copy:

Now. Any plans for the coin? Exchange, future?

Original:

Now. Any plans for the coin? Exchange, future? Or same as DOSH. Mining to pay bigger electricity bill - (good hoby)

Copy:

Why the hell are you launching all these coins? It's getting pretty ridiculous.

Original:

Why the hell are you launching all these coins? It's getting pretty ridiculous.

Copy:

Keep spreading FUD, sell your coins quickly please while you can, bitcoin can be $10 within a day

Original:

Keep spreading FUD, sell your coins quickly please while you can, bitcoin can be $0 within a day when people have read your post!

Copy:

It could be $0 one day, but then again, it could be $10,000
Anyways I expect it to last at least 10 years at minimum, but who knows. Satoshi is still out there right? If he ever creates "Bitcoin 2.0" I'll jump the boat for the founder.

Original:

It could be $0 one day, but then again, it could be $10,000
Anyways I expect it to last at least 10 years at minimum, but who knows. Satoshi is still out there right? If he ever creates "Bitcoin 2.0" I'll jump the boat for the founder.

Copy:

Nice to see that a lot of people notice that this is a great coin  
don't allow dumpers to dump their coins.!!!

Original:

Nice to see that a lot of people notice that this is a great coin and don't allow dumpers to dump their coins.!!!

Copy:

Dead
well, that's what happens to coins that don't have a hardworking dev

Original:

well, that's what happens to coins that don't have a hardworking dev behind them like KDC has.

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After reading this I can see some posts are certainly copied.  But I bonded multiple posts that would be gray.

Sometimes things do get repeated. Word for word.

“There was a thunderstorm today so I turned my gear off”

This may be often repeated.

The op did more then enough  copies to look bad. But some of the ones I bolded may not be copied.

Or maybe they were.  The ones I left alone really look like copies.

[Veleor]

<...> The op did more then enough  copies to look bad. But some of the ones I bolded may not be copied.
Or maybe they were.  The ones I left alone really look like copies.

Considering that a large part of the first hundred comments of bitcoin revo were borrowed from other members, the probability of random coincidences is extremely low in this case, I suppose.

In addition, OP has admitted that he bought the account from plagiarist, and now the administration is probably thinking to satisfy his appeal or not.

[jademaxsuy]

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plausible. but it seems that post was plagiarized too. it seems to be copied from this reddit post made on march 9th of 2015.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ybt00/whats_your_biggest_problem_with_bitcoin/

yeah I have visited the article just to check if it was really being copied and yes OP does copy the article. A legendary account now is useless after the ban. Besides I not see if theymos or the MODS has consider the account as ban for signature only because it was not being specified but for sure it was permban. Good Luck OP on finding your next crypto forum to continue your cryptocurrency endeavors.

[btcrevo]

Alright, let's open this bad boy one more time.

There is a quick edit in the original post of this thread that provides useful context to this bump that I'd really appreciate anyone skim over before replying. It includes my actual ban appeal.

I didn't intend to add this part onto this bump, as I'm drafting this up, but... I've grown quite fond of this forum back when I was a regular here. Here's to hoping that I'm allowed back in at some point!

Cheers, if you made it this far.

[icopress]

Well, yes - cat's out of the bag. It was a bought account ...

Even if your account is once unblocked, I suspect that all positive feedback will be deleted since you are not the one to whom it was addressed, not to mention getting multiple new neutral or negative tags. It's up to the moderators anyway, although I think you just want to get your money back by unblocking and selling this account ...

yahoo62278

2019-04-12

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My PP for his btc 100$ worth, he sent 1st

DireWolfM14

2019-04-10

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My PayPal for bitcoin revo's BTC, easy trade, thank you.

The Pharmacist

2017-04-08

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My PayPal for his bitcoin; I sent first. All went well in a very smooth transaction ...

hedgy73

2018-01-27

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Traded 0.01786000 btc for Paypal, nice easy deal.

guitarplinker

2017-02-28

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bitcoin revo sent me their PayPal for Bitcoin ...

[btcrevo]

Well, yes - cat's out of the bag. It was a bought account ...

Even if your account is once unblocked, I suspect that all positive feedback will be deleted since you are not the one to whom it was addressed, not to mention getting multiple new neutral or negative tags. It's up to the moderators anyway, although I think you just want to get your money back by unblocking and selling this account ...

No, that’s not true. I bought the account many years ago, when it was something like a Member or something as trivial as that. All the feedback pertains to me, and I’d argue that its image was cultivated directly by me.

[btcrevo]

Bump. We're nearing the two year mark on this. I feel like my case at least deserves a look, but I still haven't gotten a word from staff.