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July 08, 2019, 12:35:03 AM
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That is a great idea until it is not!
Remember that computers don't have "logic" that password does look difficult to us humans, but it is derived from a terribly simple code, i can write a code that would generate more complex passwords than these, but once anyone understand how the code works ( not very difficult to do so) those passwords will be as simple as 123.

That is a long subject , but long story short , always "think" of your own complex password, because it is nearly impossible that any function out there will create a similar one.

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July 08, 2019, 10:41:34 AM
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Well I tested the attack toolkit last night and I must say it's a free-ride for hackers is bitcoin and mining.
After only a few moments tested I had over 300+ ip's of machines 95% of which were not behind any sort of firewall or protection.

I did not attempt to brute them but I would guess with some good word lists and time most of them would fall.

I am also convinced there is an exploit out there for miners that would allow this kind of thing.

Don't say I didn't warn you when the ransomware starts to hit the miners.

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July 08, 2019, 09:42:22 PM
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You have to use password manager to generate a decent password for your miners. Not bothering to change the default password is asking for trouble, you think a little nat and firewall will protect you, but you neglected that windows computer that got a malware and scanned your network for asic miners...

Number one problem with security is people habits... That's what they exploit most.

If you use a password manager, you only have to remember only one (good) password, and yet have everything with a different passwords... Try KeepassXC.

Of course there is more, but lets start with the basics.

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July 09, 2019, 09:51:45 AM
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Downside to password manager is you lose or get hacked that one master password you can say goodbye to all your accounts.

I really don't think password managers are a good solution.

What I used to do for my miners was have a logbook give every miner a number and a random password in the logbook this way someone would need physical access to get your miner passwords.

The less you keep in digital format the less you have to lose.

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July 09, 2019, 12:35:25 PM
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but you neglected that windows computer that got a malware and scanned your network for asic miners...

I am willing to bet the house that this is the case,  it's highly unlikely that the hacker will attempt accessing your miner on a network layer only, it's stupid and nobody would do that, they will have to breach a lot of securities to get to the miner, nobody would do that when they can simply get you to download a malware/trojan and give them full access from whitin your local areal network where things become much easier

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not a great idea for the average joe who does not know how to protect and secure their PCs, one small mistake will cost them everything, for the average person the quoted idea below seems to be much more reasonable.

have a logbook give every miner a number and a random password in the logbook this way someone would need physical access to get your miner passwords.

just make sure the passwords are random and not based on the miner's name or IP because that is as bad as having a single password.

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July 09, 2019, 01:02:16 PM
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I hate password management companies.

As for what is easy a hacker does not want to brute force an unknown group of miners. Since they don’t know what is there.

An example.

Modem firewall
Router firewall

Switch
Mining router 1 firewall. Switch 20 miners
Mining router 2 firewall switch 20 miners

If you are a hacker.

You can see the modem
You can see the first router.

But miner router 1 and miner  router 2. Look like ips on  first router.

You don’t know what is there.

Vs.
modem
Router
Switches
Miners.

If I hack and see second setup.

A modem then a router then a large subnet with 192.168.x.x.x

And 1000 ips on that I am working on hacking that. Since it looks promising.

While the setup
Modem
Router
Switch
Miner router
Miner router

Looks like

First router has 6 or 7 ips.  2 of those ips are the mining routers but they do not easily show that you have 50 or 100 or even a few thousand ips.

So a hacker  would pass over the less promising  setup that only seems to have 5 or 6 or 7 ips.

Hackers will go for low hanging fruit.

As for Root12345a

That is not so easy as it is 100000 x 26 x 26 which is 6000000 plus combos not counting Root so say 100
Words in beginning .

Means 6,000,000 x 100 that is 600,000,000 combos.

Plus two miner routers each have a password.

And as I said the mining routers appear as a single ip.

So as a hacker do I spend a day or 2 on a router with a subnet like this 192.168.x.x.x. With over 1200 ips working.

Or do I spend a day or 2 on a router with a subnet like this 192.168.x.x with only 6 ips working.

I see BTC as the super highway and alt coins as taxis and trucks needed to move transactions.
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July 09, 2019, 06:57:20 PM
Last edit: July 10, 2019, 11:29:54 PM by frodocooper
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Downside to password manager is you lose or get hacked that one master password you can say goodbye to all your accounts...

Well, i did left out the part where you are supposed to use a secure device to keep your passwords. One step at a time... A secure OS with a secure computer would do. Windows is big no no, Linux/bsd is better but should not be the same device you use for web browsing. Its similar to handling wallets.

The password database is well encrypted, you can backup the file to google drive, dropbox or whatever cloud storage you fancy. You can also have more than one password database file, be creative...

Using no password manager is the worst scenario. A physical book is ok i guess, but its in clear view and can get lost...
Either way it is not scalable to keep hundreds of passwords in your brain, that's why that brain wallet idea was so foolish. The password manager also happens to be a great password generator. People should get in the habit of using them. Then you can add your ideas on top of that.



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You are very wrong in your "hacker" scenario, but i won't get into details as this is too much derailing, suffice to know you are very very wrong thinking that is helping you in anyway. No wonder you are so stubborn with 8 bit addressing.

Perhaps you should, i don't know, use nmap (with proper options for quick scanning) to see how many seconds it takes to scan all your devices. If the guy is in because, say, that windows laptop or usb a malware was tailored for you (or your type), you are finished. "Hackers" do not go for "low hanging fruit", do not equate the average script kiddie with the guys checking people with money, and/or mining equipment that can grant them even more money, especially crypto...

2 days? Lol. Its more like 2 minutes...

Now, how the heck could you bring the word company when talking about a password manager? WTH is a password manager company? Do you even saw what i linked? A password manager is a program, and the one i linked is a Free and open-source software, you know, like Bitcoin... You would be an idiot to trust a company to handle your passwords, that's like trusting your money to a bank, or your coins to an exchange...

Even your password idea is poor, because there is a way to mix and match generated or password sourced words like bits and bytes to speed up brute forcing, and there you are using Root (big no) which becomes a separate cell to the rest, your password is suddenly as strong as 12345a, ie: it isn't. Here, I'll show you how a truly good password looks like, and hope you don't use it:

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I just made it with my Free and open-source software password manager in under a second, i could copy it and paste it anytime i wanted. Mostly i seek whats the max length and character groups accepted by a device or web site and max it.

And yes, i know it doesn't end there, that simply alleviates one of the many possible vectors for penetration. Computer security can be a career profession on its own right. But this is too much derailing for someone not changing an Asic miner default password.

Heck a good one could even be stealing you coins already without you noticing, by being subtle, like those lame dev fee firmware that take only a little from time to time... Ensuring longevity over quick grabs...

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