Weird emails and pms about a paypal transaction I never made

[mikeywith]

http://prntscr.com/nx85ir

So you sent 500$ to Emmanuel as ( Friends and family)

http://prntscr.com/nx85wa

And then Emmanuel sent it back?

I don't really use paypal , but i understand simple english, and the second screenshot shows that the scammer/hacker sent you back the 500$ or you were able to charge back , or ofcourse i can be totally wrong and you have another explanation.

.I'm in no way responsible for all this.

Not true, you are pretty much responsible, your terrible security measures were the main cause for the possible scam, for all i know you could have used a VPN to fake your location, manupiuated the victim and ensured not to leave any trace on forum and shifted the trade to telegram.

I am leaning towards you being framed here, i tend to believe you are not a scammer, but it is stupid for you to think that you are not responsible for this.

So if i were you i would be more polite and not call the victim stupid and all that b.s.

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[erikalui]

The victim of scam here has said that it's possible for them to make a chargeback via credit card so I guess this is the possible solution?

Rather than filing a complaint with PayPal, a buyer could contact their credit card or debit card provider. In this case, they may file a chargeback. A chargeback is when a buyer asks their credit or debit card issuer to reverse a transaction after it's been completed.

Source: https://money.stackexchange.com/questions/103073/how-do-credit-card-chargebacks-work-when-using-paypal-google-pay-etc

http://prntscr.com/nx85ir

So you sent 500$ to Emmanuel as ( Friends and family)

http://prntscr.com/nx85wa

And then Emmanuel sent it back?

I don't really use paypal , but i understand simple english, and the second screenshot shows that the scammer/hacker sent you back the 500$ or you were able to charge back , or ofcourse i can be totally wrong and you have another explanation.

The receive can send the money back to the sender which has happened here between Emmanuel and iChanger. It was not a chargeback. Also, it looks like iChanger sent PayPal to 3 different people.

[LoyceV]

http://prntscr.com/nx85ir

So you sent 500$ to Emmanuel as ( Friends and family)

https://prnt.sc/nx85wa shows the refund was for a purchase, so I don't think it was "Friends and family". But the latter is often used to scam people who try to avoid paying Paypal fees.
A warning: "Friends and family" means exactly that, you should only use it with people you trust, and not some stranger on the internet.

[mikeywith]

So the scammer suddenly became all honest and sent back the 500$ ? Or it was not sent as friends and family as he claimed and he actually got all his money back? But then why bother post the second screenshot that shows the "refund"?

I can't follow the logic !

[nutildah]

Apparently on June 1st (I definitely wasn't in Stockholm).

The Stockholm IP address belongs to the Proton VPN service, which AFAIK is free and anybody around the world can use it. This means it mixes in the good users from the bad, and there's no way to use the IP information as a clue to identify where the hacker is located.

But then why bother post the second screenshot that shows the "refund"?

That was iChanger who took and posted the screenshot. It seems like the scammer suddenly wanted to take the first email address out of the equation.

There's no harm in iChanger reporting fraudulent activity on all 3 of the email addresses he received to PayPal.

He also threatened he could do a "chargeback" to his credit card in one of the Telegram screenshots. He should probably consider doing this (if possible) at the risk of damaging his PayPal account standing.



iChanger can also file a fraud report with their bank if they can't chargeback to their credit card (sounds like they used a credit card tho).

[mikeywith]

It seems like the scammer suddenly wanted to take the first email address out of the equation.

do you really think so ? well , I don't.

I highly doubt that this is how scammers go about running their daily "business" , they must have planned all of this and there is not a single reason why the scammer would return 500$ and keep 1000$.

I am not totally denying the possiblity of your "theory" but on a scale of 10, i don't think it qualifies to 1 in terms of probability.  

There's no harm in iChanger reporting fraudulent activity on all 3 of the email addresses he received to PayPal.

True, however the refund part is not clear at all, the refund was either charged back real quick which makes his claim about the transfer being "Friends and Family" most likely a lie, the other possibility is that the alleged "scammer" did send him the money just like that ! which then brings us back to the question of WHY ?

I think only Ichanger can really clarify this matter.

[iChanger]

Hello, guys!

It was a good lesson for us also - not to send money first...I did not posted something here, because I did not wanted to waste time.

And I noticed that kenzawak visited this forum the last time in July and he has -13 in his reputation.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1082600