Where do you stand on abortion? Let's have a civil debate.

[coins4commies]

As a man, I have no stance on abortion.  No one should even be discussing what other people can do with their own bodies.  That means no man's stance on abortion is relevant.  Should be end of discussion.  

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[PrimeNumber7]

As a man, I have no stance on abortion.  No one should even be discussing what other people can do with their own bodies.  That means no man's stance on abortion is relevant.  Should be end of discussion. 

As a man, what is your stance on a women using her feet to kick a dog? Is this also none of your business?

[BADecker]

I truly love you. I do. I do. But you just gotta go.


Disgusting: Late-term abortionist offers patients cuddle time with their dead babies before trashing them

In a truly bizarre attempt at making the abortion process more comforting for women, a late-term abortionist in Maryland is offering them the option to hold their butchered babies “after delivery,” as well as take pictures of the fetuses home with them in “remembrance” of their termination.

In a brochure entitled, “Caring for women with Kindness, Courtesy, Justice, Love & Respect for over 45 years,” Dr. LeRoy Carhart explains that women who receive late-term abortions can help quell their consciences of the horrors involved with this grotesque procedure by sentimentalizing their dead babies.

“Many patients request a remembrance of their baby to take home with them,” the flyer reads. “Once the process of healing has begun, you may want to consider a token of the precious time with (sic) you and your baby had together.”

Women who receive late-term abortions from Carhart are offered the “opportunity” to view and hold their murdered babies after delivery, take home photographs of their corpses, and even receive tiny footprint impressions to hang on their walls or refrigerators. Carhart also offers assistance to women in making cremation and funeral arrangements for their dead babies.

[TECSHARE]

I tryly love you. I do. I do. But you just gotta go.


Disgusting: Late-term abortionist offers patients cuddle time with their dead babies before trashing them

In a truly bizarre attempt at making the abortion process more comforting for women, a late-term abortionist in Maryland is offering them the option to hold their butchered babies “after delivery,” as well as take pictures of the fetuses home with them in “remembrance” of their termination.

In a brochure entitled, “Caring for women with Kindness, Courtesy, Justice, Love & Respect for over 45 years,” Dr. LeRoy Carhart explains that women who receive late-term abortions can help quell their consciences of the horrors involved with this grotesque procedure by sentimentalizing their dead babies.

“Many patients request a remembrance of their baby to take home with them,” the flyer reads. “Once the process of healing has begun, you may want to consider a token of the precious time with (sic) you and your baby had together.”

Women who receive late-term abortions from Carhart are offered the “opportunity” to view and hold their murdered babies after delivery, take home photographs of their corpses, and even receive tiny footprint impressions to hang on their walls or refrigerators. Carhart also offers assistance to women in making cremation and funeral arrangements for their dead babies.

Sounds a lot like trauma based mind control / cement of blood rituals.

[acroman08]

The only thing I approve about abortion is that if the mother's life is at stake while in pregnancy, the pro-abortion gives some valid
points about they're cause but how can we condemned a life and robbed it of it's future just because they find it inconvenient but at
the same time we are robbing the future of all the women who became pregnant because of rape. I know my views are contradicting
with each other I guess I will forever be in dilemma in this type of topic.

[af_newbie]

Okay, this is a very sensitive topic.

I've made my stance on abortion not by seeing on the options but from instinct and my inner beliefs.

I'm someone who you would call as pro-life. But I don't support that there should be shootings in abortion clinics. I don't support a complete ban on abortions either.

Lemme explain my stance : I've been against abortion even before I knew there was a debate and terms like pro-choice/pro-life existed.

Why am I pro-life?
I believe that abortion is the killing of a potential human being. No matter how you define it, it's a living being which is killed and it is pure and hasn't committed any, any crime.

Now, when do I support abortion?
1) Rape cases. 2) Cases where the mother's life is in danger. 3) Cases where the parents "literally" can't afford to have the baby. (although I believe adoption is a very good option).

Lemme explain point 3.
In this point am talking about really really really poor couples who did a one night stand and can never really afford a baby. Althought I believe, adoption is a good choice.

When do I believe abortion should happen in of the above cases?
Within first four weeks. The exception is mother's life in danger.

Within first four weeks, given a "reasonable" reason, one can abort by saying "it's just a fetus".

Sure.

Where do I disagree with pro-choice people?

"My body, my choice, I can abort my baby for any reason or no reason at all, as long as it is in my womb, even at 8 months"

I disagree with this ideology as much as I disagree with the ideology of pure murder, rape and genocide.

Girl, maybe it's your body. But, after a few weeks that fetus also acquires a moral right.
One can't simply say, a 8.5 months old fetus is just a mere clump of cells, it is as much human as a 9 month old born baby.

Also, really, you can abort your 8 months old baby in womb for whatever reason you want? Who are you? Queen?

Now, I know, these cases are rare. Where they abort a 8 month old fetus for mere reason.
But again, this is not a debate of what happens. This is a debate between ideologies. If you believe "a girl has the right to abort a baby for whatever reason they like as long as it's in womb" then I disagree with you completely. Because that won't make it pro-choice, rather pro-abortion!

And my position isn't from religion but from my own conscience.

Comment what's your opinion

It is a difficult question to answer because you have to consider the rights of both life forms.

You have to ask yourself when a fetus becomes a person.

I am pro-choice however I do think that after the CNS forms, usually after the first trimester, abortions might be problematic from the ethical standpoint.  Still, I think the right of women to self-determination with regards to their medical procedures should prevail.

IMHO, women should have the right and ability to abort their pregnancies within the first 12-16 weeks of their pregnancy, no matter what!!!

That should not be an issue to anyone with half a brain.  

Just because a human embryo can become a human being it does not mean it is one.  A pregnant woman is.

[Daniel91]

I think we should be concerned with cause and not consequence.
Every abortion is a tragedy, for both the unborn child and the mother, her family and beyond.
Instead of difficult discussions, we should address the issue of how to help young mothers in concrete way, emotionally, financially, in order to help them to solve their difficult situation.
Let's not forget that there are many parents who cannot have children and have been waiting for years to adopt child.
On the other hand, young mothers are left without any support and they decide to have an abortion.
Can't we help both?

[coolcoinz]

Why am I pro-life?
I believe that abortion is the killing of a potential human being. No matter how you define it, it's a living being which is killed and it is pure and hasn't committed any, any crime.

I always liked to debate that argument. Is destroying sperm also killing a potential human being? Is not having sex denying a potential human being the ability to come into this world? Some people think that a child is there when it starts hearing and seeing, some believe that it's when it has a heart, some believe that when a zygote is formed it's already a new human.

I agree with OP that we should not abort and learn to take responsibility for our actions, but we also shouldn't go into extremes. If the pregnancy is from a rape or the child will be born disabled we should be able to choose. The health of the mother and her mental well being should always come first in these cases.

[BADecker]

Okay, this is a very sensitive topic.

I've made my stance on abortion not by seeing on the options but from instinct and my inner beliefs.

I'm someone who you would call as pro-life. But I don't support that there should be shootings in abortion clinics. I don't support a complete ban on abortions either.

Lemme explain my stance : I've been against abortion even before I knew there was a debate and terms like pro-choice/pro-life existed.

Why am I pro-life?
I believe that abortion is the killing of a potential human being. No matter how you define it, it's a living being which is killed and it is pure and hasn't committed any, any crime.

Now, when do I support abortion?
1) Rape cases. 2) Cases where the mother's life is in danger. 3) Cases where the parents "literally" can't afford to have the baby. (although I believe adoption is a very good option).

Lemme explain point 3.
In this point am talking about really really really poor couples who did a one night stand and can never really afford a baby. Althought I believe, adoption is a good choice.

When do I believe abortion should happen in of the above cases?
Within first four weeks. The exception is mother's life in danger.

Within first four weeks, given a "reasonable" reason, one can abort by saying "it's just a fetus".

Sure.

Where do I disagree with pro-choice people?

"My body, my choice, I can abort my baby for any reason or no reason at all, as long as it is in my womb, even at 8 months"

I disagree with this ideology as much as I disagree with the ideology of pure murder, rape and genocide.

Girl, maybe it's your body. But, after a few weeks that fetus also acquires a moral right.
One can't simply say, a 8.5 months old fetus is just a mere clump of cells, it is as much human as a 9 month old born baby.

Also, really, you can abort your 8 months old baby in womb for whatever reason you want? Who are you? Queen?

Now, I know, these cases are rare. Where they abort a 8 month old fetus for mere reason.
But again, this is not a debate of what happens. This is a debate between ideologies. If you believe "a girl has the right to abort a baby for whatever reason they like as long as it's in womb" then I disagree with you completely. Because that won't make it pro-choice, rather pro-abortion!

And my position isn't from religion but from my own conscience.

Comment what's your opinion

It is a difficult question to answer because you have to consider the rights of both life forms.

You have to ask yourself when a fetus becomes a person.

I am pro-choice however I do think that after the CNS forms, usually after the first trimester, abortions might be problematic from the ethical standpoint.  Still, I think the right of women to self-determination with regards to their medical procedures should prevail.

IMHO, women should have the right and ability to abort their pregnancies within the first 12-16 weeks of their pregnancy, no matter what!!!

That should not be an issue to anyone with half a brain.  

Just because a human embryo can become a human being it does not mean it is one.  A pregnant woman is.

"You have to ask yourself when a fetus becomes a person."

Just because a human embryo changes dramatically for the first few weeks, does not mean that it is NOT a person, a human being. Anyone with half a brain should see that the embryo at least MIGHT be a human being, and err on the side of not taking the life of a human being.

Women should have the right to not get pregnant at all. Oh, that's right. They DO have that right. So, get married and raise the kid, or forego having sex in the first place.

[af_newbie]

Okay, this is a very sensitive topic.

I've made my stance on abortion not by seeing on the options but from instinct and my inner beliefs.

I'm someone who you would call as pro-life. But I don't support that there should be shootings in abortion clinics. I don't support a complete ban on abortions either.

Lemme explain my stance : I've been against abortion even before I knew there was a debate and terms like pro-choice/pro-life existed.

Why am I pro-life?
I believe that abortion is the killing of a potential human being. No matter how you define it, it's a living being which is killed and it is pure and hasn't committed any, any crime.

Now, when do I support abortion?
1) Rape cases. 2) Cases where the mother's life is in danger. 3) Cases where the parents "literally" can't afford to have the baby. (although I believe adoption is a very good option).

Lemme explain point 3.
In this point am talking about really really really poor couples who did a one night stand and can never really afford a baby. Althought I believe, adoption is a good choice.

When do I believe abortion should happen in of the above cases?
Within first four weeks. The exception is mother's life in danger.

Within first four weeks, given a "reasonable" reason, one can abort by saying "it's just a fetus".

Sure.

Where do I disagree with pro-choice people?

"My body, my choice, I can abort my baby for any reason or no reason at all, as long as it is in my womb, even at 8 months"

I disagree with this ideology as much as I disagree with the ideology of pure murder, rape and genocide.

Girl, maybe it's your body. But, after a few weeks that fetus also acquires a moral right.
One can't simply say, a 8.5 months old fetus is just a mere clump of cells, it is as much human as a 9 month old born baby.

Also, really, you can abort your 8 months old baby in womb for whatever reason you want? Who are you? Queen?

Now, I know, these cases are rare. Where they abort a 8 month old fetus for mere reason.
But again, this is not a debate of what happens. This is a debate between ideologies. If you believe "a girl has the right to abort a baby for whatever reason they like as long as it's in womb" then I disagree with you completely. Because that won't make it pro-choice, rather pro-abortion!

And my position isn't from religion but from my own conscience.

Comment what's your opinion

It is a difficult question to answer because you have to consider the rights of both life forms.

You have to ask yourself when a fetus becomes a person.

I am pro-choice however I do think that after the CNS forms, usually after the first trimester, abortions might be problematic from the ethical standpoint.  Still, I think the right of women to self-determination with regards to their medical procedures should prevail.

IMHO, women should have the right and ability to abort their pregnancies within the first 12-16 weeks of their pregnancy, no matter what!!!

That should not be an issue to anyone with half a brain.  

Just because a human embryo can become a human being it does not mean it is one.  A pregnant woman is.

"You have to ask yourself when a fetus becomes a person."

Just because a human embryo changes dramatically for the first few weeks, does not mean that it is NOT a person, a human being. Anyone with half a brain should see that the embryo at least MIGHT be a human being, and err on the side of not taking the life of a human being.

Women should have the right to not get pregnant at all. Oh, that's right. They DO have that right. So, get married and raise the kid, or forego having sex in the first place.

That is not really realistic.  Times of stoning nonvirgins have already passed. Update your reading library.

Sex drive is a normal response of a properly functioning endocrine system.  Not having regular sex causes psychological issues, insecurities, etc.  All people should have as much sex as they can handle, IMHO.

Do you want to stop women from having vaginal sex?  Castrate all men.

It takes two to tango. 

[Somebody random]

I really really wonder why this topic even exists here lol.

[TECSHARE]

That is not really realistic.  Times of stoning nonvirgins have already passed. Update your reading library.

Sex drive is a normal response of a properly functioning endocrine system.  Not having regular sex causes psychological issues, insecurities, etc.  All people should have as much sex as they can handle, IMHO.

Do you want to stop women from having vaginal sex?  Castrate all men.

It takes two to tango. 

Why is it men are responsible if they have sex, but some how women are magically absolved of all responsibility of choosing to have sex with a partner they don't intend to conceive with? Do you think sewing women's pussies shut is a funny solution? Why would you joke about castrating men to prevent responsibility for the bad choices of women? Either women are equal or they aren't. Freedom and responsibility are irrevocably linked.

[PrimeNumber7]

I am pro-choice however I do think that after the CNS forms, usually after the first trimester, abortions might be problematic from the ethical standpoint.  Still, I think the right of women to self-determination with regards to their medical procedures should prevail.

Later in the pregnancy, the baby will need to be delivered regardless of if the women gets an abortion.

If the baby can survive outside the womb, what is the purpose of killing the baby before it is delivered? Why not induce early labor, and allow the mother to give up custody of the baby(parental rights) to the state?

[af_newbie]

That is not really realistic.  Times of stoning nonvirgins have already passed. Update your reading library.

Sex drive is a normal response of a properly functioning endocrine system.  Not having regular sex causes psychological issues, insecurities, etc.  All people should have as much sex as they can handle, IMHO.

Do you want to stop women from having vaginal sex?  Castrate all men.

It takes two to tango. 

Why is it men are responsible if they have sex, but some how women are magically absolved of all responsibility of choosing to have sex with a partner they don't intend to conceive with? Do you think sewing women's pussies shut is a funny solution? Why would you joke about castrating men to prevent responsibility for the bad choices of women? Either women are equal or they aren't. Freedom and responsibility are irrevocably linked.

I think you wanted to say "the bad choices of both parents". 

Sometimes contraceptives are not effective.  And not having sex is not really a solution.

What are proposing?  Regular masturbation for both sexes?

Not sure why you blame only women for the pregnancy.  Most of the time it is men who pressure young women to have sex.

[TECSHARE]

That is not really realistic.  Times of stoning nonvirgins have already passed. Update your reading library.

Sex drive is a normal response of a properly functioning endocrine system.  Not having regular sex causes psychological issues, insecurities, etc.  All people should have as much sex as they can handle, IMHO.

Do you want to stop women from having vaginal sex?  Castrate all men.

It takes two to tango.  

Why is it men are responsible if they have sex, but some how women are magically absolved of all responsibility of choosing to have sex with a partner they don't intend to conceive with? Do you think sewing women's pussies shut is a funny solution? Why would you joke about castrating men to prevent responsibility for the bad choices of women? Either women are equal or they aren't. Freedom and responsibility are irrevocably linked.

I think you wanted to say "the bad choices of both parents".  

Sometimes contraceptives are not effective.  And not having sex is not really a solution.

What are proposing?  Regular masturbation for both sexes?

Not sure why you blame only women for the pregnancy.  Most of the time it is men who pressure young women to have sex.

Don't tell me what I meant to say. Having sex is a choice. Having sex with no intent to procreate is a choice. Having sex with some one you do not intend to have children with is a choice. Both men and women can choose to have sex or to not have sex. Only men have unwanted responsibilities resulting from sex, women can choose to abort a child, or keep it and force the man to provide for them both for at least the next 18 years. Women want all the freedom, but then want men to bear the burden of responsibility if they choose to force them to. This is not equality.

[af_newbie]

That is not really realistic.  Times of stoning nonvirgins have already passed. Update your reading library.

Sex drive is a normal response of a properly functioning endocrine system.  Not having regular sex causes psychological issues, insecurities, etc.  All people should have as much sex as they can handle, IMHO.

Do you want to stop women from having vaginal sex?  Castrate all men.

It takes two to tango. 

Why is it men are responsible if they have sex, but some how women are magically absolved of all responsibility of choosing to have sex with a partner they don't intend to conceive with? Do you think sewing women's pussies shut is a funny solution? Why would you joke about castrating men to prevent responsibility for the bad choices of women? Either women are equal or they aren't. Freedom and responsibility are irrevocably linked.

I think you wanted to say "the bad choices of both parents". 

Sometimes contraceptives are not effective.  And not having sex is not really a solution.

What are proposing?  Regular masturbation for both sexes?

Not sure why you blame only women for the pregnancy.  Most of the time it is men who pressure young women to have sex.

Don't tell me what I meant to say. Having sex is a choice. Having sex with no intent to procreate is a choice. Having sex with some one you do not intend to have children with is a choice. Both men and women can choose to have sex or to not have sex. Only mean have unwanted responsibilities resulting from sex, women can choose to abort a child, or keep it and force the man to provide for them both for at least the next 18 years. Women want all the freedom, but then want men to bear the burden of responsibility if they choose to force them to. This is not equality.

Wow, slow down tiger, you are drifting off a bit down your usual "men are discriminated" alley.

Fetuses are growing in women's' bodies.  It should be their choice to decide what to do with it.

Just like when you have a nasty root canal you go to a dentist to fix the problem.   

Pregnancies are very taxing on women's bodies.
Not every woman wants or has the means to go through with it.

Men are bringing the sex argument not to have pregnancies.  It is simply a stupid argument.
Sex is as natural as breathing.  Everyone should have sex before marriage.

Contraceptives are not always effective.  Sometimes people have unprotected sex which leads to unwanted pregnancies.
Those are the facts.  Deal with it.

[BADecker]

Okay, this is a very sensitive topic.

I've made my stance on abortion not by seeing on the options but from instinct and my inner beliefs.

I'm someone who you would call as pro-life. But I don't support that there should be shootings in abortion clinics. I don't support a complete ban on abortions either.

Lemme explain my stance : I've been against abortion even before I knew there was a debate and terms like pro-choice/pro-life existed.

Why am I pro-life?
I believe that abortion is the killing of a potential human being. No matter how you define it, it's a living being which is killed and it is pure and hasn't committed any, any crime.

Now, when do I support abortion?
1) Rape cases. 2) Cases where the mother's life is in danger. 3) Cases where the parents "literally" can't afford to have the baby. (although I believe adoption is a very good option).

Lemme explain point 3.
In this point am talking about really really really poor couples who did a one night stand and can never really afford a baby. Althought I believe, adoption is a good choice.

When do I believe abortion should happen in of the above cases?
Within first four weeks. The exception is mother's life in danger.

Within first four weeks, given a "reasonable" reason, one can abort by saying "it's just a fetus".

Sure.

Where do I disagree with pro-choice people?

"My body, my choice, I can abort my baby for any reason or no reason at all, as long as it is in my womb, even at 8 months"

I disagree with this ideology as much as I disagree with the ideology of pure murder, rape and genocide.

Girl, maybe it's your body. But, after a few weeks that fetus also acquires a moral right.
One can't simply say, a 8.5 months old fetus is just a mere clump of cells, it is as much human as a 9 month old born baby.

Also, really, you can abort your 8 months old baby in womb for whatever reason you want? Who are you? Queen?

Now, I know, these cases are rare. Where they abort a 8 month old fetus for mere reason.
But again, this is not a debate of what happens. This is a debate between ideologies. If you believe "a girl has the right to abort a baby for whatever reason they like as long as it's in womb" then I disagree with you completely. Because that won't make it pro-choice, rather pro-abortion!

And my position isn't from religion but from my own conscience.

Comment what's your opinion

It is a difficult question to answer because you have to consider the rights of both life forms.

You have to ask yourself when a fetus becomes a person.

I am pro-choice however I do think that after the CNS forms, usually after the first trimester, abortions might be problematic from the ethical standpoint.  Still, I think the right of women to self-determination with regards to their medical procedures should prevail.

IMHO, women should have the right and ability to abort their pregnancies within the first 12-16 weeks of their pregnancy, no matter what!!!

That should not be an issue to anyone with half a brain.  

Just because a human embryo can become a human being it does not mean it is one.  A pregnant woman is.

"You have to ask yourself when a fetus becomes a person."

Just because a human embryo changes dramatically for the first few weeks, does not mean that it is NOT a person, a human being. Anyone with half a brain should see that the embryo at least MIGHT be a human being, and err on the side of not taking the life of a human being.

Women should have the right to not get pregnant at all. Oh, that's right. They DO have that right. So, get married and raise the kid, or forego having sex in the first place.

That is not really realistic.  Times of stoning nonvirgins have already passed. Update your reading library.

Sex drive is a normal response of a properly functioning endocrine system.  Not having regular sex causes psychological issues, insecurities, etc.  All people should have as much sex as they can handle, IMHO.

Do you want to stop women from having vaginal sex?  Castrate all men.

It takes two to tango. 

You jump so far off-point that you prove you don't have the answer.

The practical answer for stopping abortions is no more sex. But why stop abortions? Because we don't know for a fact that abortion is not murder.

If you have sex, have the kid you produce. If you are the parents of that child, raise it properly. The best way to do this is marriage.

If you just can't take not having sex, but you can't stand marriage either, masturbate.

[TECSHARE]

Wow, slow down tiger, you are drifting off a bit down your usual "men are discriminated" alley.

Fetuses are growing in women's' bodies.  It should be their choice to decide what to do with it.

Just like when you have a nasty root canal you go to a dentist to fix the problem.   

Pregnancies are very taxing on women's bodies.
Not every woman wants or has the means to go through with it.

Men are bringing the sex argument not to have pregnancies.  It is simply a stupid argument.
Sex is as natural as breathing.  Everyone should have sex before marriage.

Contraceptives are not always effective.  Sometimes people have unprotected sex which leads to unwanted pregnancies.
Those are the facts.  Deal with it.

If it is their choice, then it should be a mans choice to not have any responsibility for the child if they choose not to. If one reads what you wrote carefully, you will notice there are no responses given, only a string of non-sequiturs. You are just so impressively progressive and postmodern, so postmodern in fact you don't even need a logical argument and can comfortably rest your laurels in character attacks instead. Freedom = Responsibility, this is a fact regardless of how trendy you think your opinion is captain cuck.

[bitcoin-shark]

i will also be against the general opinion but in my opinion abortion is permissible, no one outside of me can decide on my body, not having sex before marriage must be a choice not an imposition, i believe that abortion after the fourth month of pregnancy can be done only for serious cases of congenital diseases...

[BADecker]

i will also be against the general opinion but in my opinion abortion is permissible, no one outside of me can decide on my body, not having sex before marriage must be a choice not an imposition, i believe that abortion after the fourth month of pregnancy can be done only for serious cases of congenital diseases...

Murder is not right. Murder of a person that you caused to come into being and to trust you, is the most dastardly kind of murder.

You have the ability to control aspects of your body. But do you have the right to abort, or is it the wrong, even though you can do it?