Boy arrested when 13 yo and facing execution at the age of 18!! (S.A) Edit -2

[JSRAW]

Background- timeline:

In the wave of "Arab spring". Protest starts in Saudi Arabia as well during 2011-12. When one person self-immolation in Samtah, South Western Saudi Arabia. followed by multiple protests against Human rights- Anti Shia discrimination.

Some protests took place in the eastern province of Saudi Arabia (Qatif, al-awamiyah, Hofuf), one of the demonstrations led by 10-year-old boy Murtaja Qureiris demanding rights for Shia minority, he was not an organizer or brain behind the protest of course. 3 years later, at the age of 13 he was arrested by Saudi authorities when he was traveling with his family to Bahrain.

Charges :

Qureiris was 10 years old when he committed at least one of those alleged crimes in his charge sheet, CNN has learned. He was charged with accompanying his activist brother, Ali Qureris, on a motorcycle ride to a police station in the eastern Saudi city of Awamiya, where Ali allegedly threw Molotov cocktails at the facility.

The age of criminal responsibility in Saudi Arabia is unclear, but in 2006 the kingdom told the Committee on the Rights of the Child that it had raised it to 12, according to Human Rights Watch.

Saudi Arabia has also previously told the United Nations that it does not impose the death penalty on prisoners convicted of crimes before the age of criminal responsibility.

Qureiris is currently being tried at a terror court, where the prosecution has accused him of belonging to “an extremist terror group.” He faces other charges ranging from violence allegedly committed during protests – including helping to construct Molotov cocktails — to shooting at security forces and marching at his brother’s 2011 funeral.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2019/06/middleeast/saudi-teen-death-penalty-intl/


Edit :1

"Saudi Arabia: Authorities must not resort to use of death penalty against protester arrested aged 13"

The use of the death penalty for offences committed by people below 18 years of age is strictly prohibited by international law.

Mainly populated by Saudi Arabia’s Shi’a minority, the Eastern Province saw waves of protests in the aftermath of the 2011 Arab uprisings which the authorities have cracked down over the years, including through prosecutions.

The charges against him include participating in anti-government protests, attending the funeral of his brother Ali Qureiris who was killed in a protest in 2011, joining a “terrorist organization,” throwing Molotov cocktails at a police station, and firing at security forces. He is currently awaiting his next trial session.

“The Saudi Arabian authorities have a chilling track record of using the death penalty as a weapon to crush political dissent and punish anti-government protesters -including children- from the country’s persecuted Shi’a minority,” said Lynn Maalouf.

First Boy and now Woman, don't know what's next.

"Saudi Arabia Seeks Execution Of Female Human Rights Activist"

Saudi Arabia’s public prosecutor is asking for the death penalty for Israa al-Ghumgham, a female human rights activist. This is the first time a female campaigner may face execution in the country. She along with her husband are among the five human rights activists facing execution for their peaceful protests, Human Rights Watch reports.

Israa al-Ghumgham along with her husband Moussa al-Hashem was arrested in 2015 and has been in jail ever since without any access to proper legal help. Both of them are waiting to be tried in Saudi Arabia’s terrorism tribunal

Edit 3 : 25 June 2019

 Very positive news in this case!!

Source 1: Saudis say Murtaja will not be executed

A young man from Saudi Arabia's minority Shi'ite Muslim community who was arrested at the age of 13 will not be executed and could be released by 2022, a Saudi official told Reuters on Saturday following reports of his pending execution.

Murtaja Qureiris, who was detained in September 2014, has received an initial 12-year prison sentence with time served since his arrest and four years suspended for his young age, according to the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. The sentence is subject to appeal.

"He will not be executed," the official added.

Source 2 :Saudis say Shia teenager will not be executed: Report

[FriendlyIntellect]

I saw this earlier today and was not happy with the situation.

It seems like a huge violation of human rights.
However, I do not think that we have complete information to judge the matter.

My take.

[JSRAW]

reserve

[coolcoinz]

I saw this earlier today and was not happy with the situation.

It seems like a huge violation of human rights.
However, I do not think that we have complete information to judge the matter.

My take.

And what can more information change in the matter of basic law and human rights? Children should never take full responsibility for their actions simply because they are unaware of what is right and wrong and they are too young to understand the letter of the law, whatever that law might be.
I'm not even going to start with how idiotic sharia law is and go with the basics. The child is never responsible and should never be judged like an adult.

[coolcoinz]

Sad!

Really? Age of criminal responsibility at 12? That's f up on so many levels.

The international community must take an action asap. We can't let this happen. No way....

The article says that he was 10 when the crime was committed and this is what counts. Even if the criminal responsibility starts at 12 he did not do it at 12.

This is wrong on so many levels.
First of all they want to execute in 5 years which is already crazy. Imagine being on death row for 5 years, knowing that there's no point in eating, drinking, waking up even, because you're going to be dead, but for that to happen you'll have to wait for many years. That's like slow torture.
Then there's the crime itself which seems to be protesting. People protest, it's one of our basic rights. You are given bad food in a restaurant or somebody wants to increase your rent, you protest, it's completely normal. Say, he did throw molotovs. In every other country the blame would fall on his parents not him and he would be put in a juvie.

[TimeBits]

Faith lost in humanity  



I mean he just wants to play real life fortnite, can we not just leave him in a room with some video games? R.I.P honestly this is really messed up.
There is no way this kid is not being directed by adults, and those adults need to be put in prison and this young one needs rehabilitation.

[squatz1]

Not surprised to see this come out of a middle eastern country. This isn't about the person that they're killing in the least, they don't even care about the crime he committed, they're trying to send a message to those that are going to riot and protest against their government that they will be facing death if they continue to act this way.

It's a pretty scary thing to think about. But this is what happens in these sorts of governments.

Hopefully the international community can fight back to ensure this doesn't happen now, and EVER again.

[Juggy777]

Not surprised to see this come out of a middle eastern country. This isn't about the person that they're killing in the least, they don't even care about the crime he committed, they're trying to send a message to those that are going to riot and protest against their government that they will be facing death if they continue to act this way.

It's a pretty scary thing to think about. But this is what happens in these sorts of governments.

Hopefully the international community can fight back to ensure this doesn't happen now, and EVER again.

This is an barbaric act by the Middle East country, and I’m surprised no human right activists are coming forward to save him. While I agree a nation needs to send out a message if someone is doing an illegal act, but this is not a message and i feel it should be condemned by all the countries. I don’t think the international community will do anything about it, as they’re scared of their power, and they know they’ll loose out all the investments hence all we can do at this stage is pray for a miracle.

[mayo2u]

I saw this earlier today and was not happy with the situation.

It seems like a huge violation of human rights.
However, I do not think that we have complete information to judge the matter.

My take.

And what can more information change in the matter of basic law and human rights? Children should never take full responsibility for their actions simply because they are unaware of what is right and wrong and they are too young to understand the letter of the law, whatever that law might be.
I'm not even going to start with how idiotic sharia law is and go with the basics. The child is never responsible and should never be judged like an adult.

Human Rights? What does Human Rights have to do with an Islamic country? Human rights, from their perspective does not trump Sharia law. The only question that exists here, from their perspective, is "what would Muhammad do?" And we know the answer: the boy was rebelling against his rightful ruler; a ruler that follows Sharia law; therefore the boy is acting against what is right and proper and the only just punishment is death.

You think there is something wrong with what Saudia Arabia is doing? Good. Then tackle the issue head on - the problem is Islam.

[criptix]

Not surprised to see this come out of a middle eastern country. This isn't about the person that they're killing in the least, they don't even care about the crime he committed, they're trying to send a message to those that are going to riot and protest against their government that they will be facing death if they continue to act this way.

It's a pretty scary thing to think about. But this is what happens in these sorts of governments.

Hopefully the international community can fight back to ensure this doesn't happen now, and EVER again.

How?

Big bro USA has their back covered.

[mayo2u]

Not surprised to see this come out of a middle eastern country. This isn't about the person that they're killing in the least, they don't even care about the crime he committed, they're trying to send a message to those that are going to riot and protest against their government that they will be facing death if they continue to act this way.

It's a pretty scary thing to think about. But this is what happens in these sorts of governments.

Hopefully the international community can fight back to ensure this doesn't happen now, and EVER again.

How?

Big bro USA has their back covered.

The US doesn't have their back covered.  The relationship is one of convenience. If there's a country the US has the back of it's Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Israel.

It isn't Saudi Arabia. And that "relationship" as it is will be less and less as time goes on. We're not as dependent upon their oil thanks to fraking and solar and wind are starting to assume a significant part of the world energy grid.

If the US (and other western countries) didn't do anything when Christians were falsely charged with blasphemy; if the US did nothing when Boko Haram  kidnapped hundreds; if the US and others did nothing when people were killed (throughout the Islamic world) for being gay or adultery or blasphemy or leaving their religion then why would you expect something to be done here?

You want to do something? Bitch to canadian and UK and US and German politicians for turning a blind eye to honor killings in their own country. That's something you can actually accomplish. Bitching about this does what?

[criptix]

Not surprised to see this come out of a middle eastern country. This isn't about the person that they're killing in the least, they don't even care about the crime he committed, they're trying to send a message to those that are going to riot and protest against their government that they will be facing death if they continue to act this way.

It's a pretty scary thing to think about. But this is what happens in these sorts of governments.

Hopefully the international community can fight back to ensure this doesn't happen now, and EVER again.

How?

Big bro USA has their back covered.

The US doesn't have their back covered.  The relationship is one of convenience. If there's a country the US has the back of it's Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Israel.

It isn't Saudi Arabia. And that "relationship" as it is will be less and less as time goes on. We're not as dependent upon their oil thanks to fraking and solar and wind are starting to assume a significant part of the world energy grid.

If the US (and other western countries) didn't do anything when Christians were falsely charged with blasphemy; if the US did nothing when Boko Haram  kidnapped hundreds; if the US and others did nothing when people were killed (throughout the Islamic world) for being gay or adultery or blasphemy or leaving their religion then why would you expect something to be done here?

You want to do something? Bitch to canadian and UK and US and German politicians for turning a blind eye to honor killings in their own country. That's something you can actually accomplish. Bitching about this does what?

Turning a blind eye on everything you listed above, selling and gifting them weapons, supporting them in wars.

Seems that is the definition of having their backs covered.

Cant really fight this shit at home if you support it on the global stage.

[mayo2u]

Not surprised to see this come out of a middle eastern country. This isn't about the person that they're killing in the least, they don't even care about the crime he committed, they're trying to send a message to those that are going to riot and protest against their government that they will be facing death if they continue to act this way.

It's a pretty scary thing to think about. But this is what happens in these sorts of governments.

Hopefully the international community can fight back to ensure this doesn't happen now, and EVER again.

How?

Big bro USA has their back covered.

The US doesn't have their back covered.  The relationship is one of convenience. If there's a country the US has the back of it's Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Israel.

It isn't Saudi Arabia. And that "relationship" as it is will be less and less as time goes on. We're not as dependent upon their oil thanks to fraking and solar and wind are starting to assume a significant part of the world energy grid.

If the US (and other western countries) didn't do anything when Christians were falsely charged with blasphemy; if the US did nothing when Boko Haram  kidnapped hundreds; if the US and others did nothing when people were killed (throughout the Islamic world) for being gay or adultery or blasphemy or leaving their religion then why would you expect something to be done here?

You want to do something? Bitch to canadian and UK and US and German politicians for turning a blind eye to honor killings in their own country. That's something you can actually accomplish. Bitching about this does what?

Turning a blind eye on everything you listed above, selling and gifting them weapons, supporting them in wars.

Seems that is the definition of having their backs covered.

Cant really fight this shit at home if you support it on the global stage.

Selling arms isn't "having their back."

The global stage would be the UN and western people and organizations not backing down when it comes to defending apostates; to not condemning honor killing and not certainly by not caving by calling criticism of Islam and Sharia law "islamophobia."

Selling arms to a country? And what does that mean? That Saudia Arabia wouldn't have weapons? That all of a sudden they would be decent? 

So, the US can tell Saudi Arabia that they can't do "x" because it violates human rights? Saudi Arabia would say it's acceptable according to Sharia and they don't give a fuk what we think.

You want to stick it to the Saudi Arabian way of thinking? This execution is a tiny, tiny, tiny little bit that's wrong with Islam. It's not unique to Saudi Arabia. It's highy prevalent in Yemin as well; and the UAE and Kuwait; and Iran; and Pakistan; and it's growing in Indonesia.

Are you noticing a pattern here?

In many places (UK I'm looking at you) if you speak up against the very legal rules that legitimize such actions then you can be declared to be Islamaphobic.

Be disgusted by this. Great. I am as well. What can be done? Criticize the legal doctrines (Sharia) that justify it. And then set people straight that criticizing these legal doctrines is legitimate and not "phobic".

[criptix]

Not surprised to see this come out of a middle eastern country. This isn't about the person that they're killing in the least, they don't even care about the crime he committed, they're trying to send a message to those that are going to riot and protest against their government that they will be facing death if they continue to act this way.

It's a pretty scary thing to think about. But this is what happens in these sorts of governments.

Hopefully the international community can fight back to ensure this doesn't happen now, and EVER again.

How?

Big bro USA has their back covered.

The US doesn't have their back covered.  The relationship is one of convenience. If there's a country the US has the back of it's Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Israel.

It isn't Saudi Arabia. And that "relationship" as it is will be less and less as time goes on. We're not as dependent upon their oil thanks to fraking and solar and wind are starting to assume a significant part of the world energy grid.

If the US (and other western countries) didn't do anything when Christians were falsely charged with blasphemy; if the US did nothing when Boko Haram  kidnapped hundreds; if the US and others did nothing when people were killed (throughout the Islamic world) for being gay or adultery or blasphemy or leaving their religion then why would you expect something to be done here?

You want to do something? Bitch to canadian and UK and US and German politicians for turning a blind eye to honor killings in their own country. That's something you can actually accomplish. Bitching about this does what?

Turning a blind eye on everything you listed above, selling and gifting them weapons, supporting them in wars.

Seems that is the definition of having their backs covered.

Cant really fight this shit at home if you support it on the global stage.

Selling arms isn't "having their back."

The global stage would be the UN and western people and organizations not backing down when it comes to defending apostates; to not condemning honor killing and not certainly by not caving by calling criticism of Islam and Sharia law "islamophobia."

Selling arms to a country? And what does that mean? That Saudia Arabia wouldn't have weapons? That all of a sudden they would be decent?  

So, the US can tell Saudi Arabia that they can't do "x" because it violates human rights? Saudi Arabia would say it's acceptable according to Sharia and they don't give a fuk what we think.

You want to stick it to the Saudi Arabian way of thinking? This execution is a tiny, tiny, tiny little bit that's wrong with Islam. It's not unique to Saudi Arabia. It's highy prevalent in Yemin as well; and the UAE and Kuwait; and Iran; and Pakistan; and it's growing in Indonesia.

Are you noticing a pattern here?

In many places (UK I'm looking at you) if you speak up against the very legal rules that legitimize such actions then you can be declared to be Islamaphobic.

Be disgusted by this. Great. I am as well. What can be done? Criticize the legal doctrines (Sharia) that justify it. And then set people straight that criticizing these legal doctrines is legitimate and not "phobic".

Look at cuba, north korea, china, russia, iran, iraq, afghanistan, syria etc.

We can and do punish them by not abiding to the global rules - why cant we do the same with saudia arabia?

Hint: the reason is not fear of being called islamophob.


Btw. SA is the biggest contributor to wahabism, probaly the most radical movement of islam.

[mayo2u]

Not surprised to see this come out of a middle eastern country. This isn't about the person that they're killing in the least, they don't even care about the crime he committed, they're trying to send a message to those that are going to riot and protest against their government that they will be facing death if they continue to act this way.

It's a pretty scary thing to think about. But this is what happens in these sorts of governments.

Hopefully the international community can fight back to ensure this doesn't happen now, and EVER again.

How?

Big bro USA has their back covered.

The US doesn't have their back covered.  The relationship is one of convenience. If there's a country the US has the back of it's Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Israel.

It isn't Saudi Arabia. And that "relationship" as it is will be less and less as time goes on. We're not as dependent upon their oil thanks to fraking and solar and wind are starting to assume a significant part of the world energy grid.

If the US (and other western countries) didn't do anything when Christians were falsely charged with blasphemy; if the US did nothing when Boko Haram  kidnapped hundreds; if the US and others did nothing when people were killed (throughout the Islamic world) for being gay or adultery or blasphemy or leaving their religion then why would you expect something to be done here?

You want to do something? Bitch to canadian and UK and US and German politicians for turning a blind eye to honor killings in their own country. That's something you can actually accomplish. Bitching about this does what?

Turning a blind eye on everything you listed above, selling and gifting them weapons, supporting them in wars.

Seems that is the definition of having their backs covered.

Cant really fight this shit at home if you support it on the global stage.

Selling arms isn't "having their back."

The global stage would be the UN and western people and organizations not backing down when it comes to defending apostates; to not condemning honor killing and not certainly by not caving by calling criticism of Islam and Sharia law "islamophobia."

Selling arms to a country? And what does that mean? That Saudia Arabia wouldn't have weapons? That all of a sudden they would be decent?  

So, the US can tell Saudi Arabia that they can't do "x" because it violates human rights? Saudi Arabia would say it's acceptable according to Sharia and they don't give a fuk what we think.

You want to stick it to the Saudi Arabian way of thinking? This execution is a tiny, tiny, tiny little bit that's wrong with Islam. It's not unique to Saudi Arabia. It's highy prevalent in Yemin as well; and the UAE and Kuwait; and Iran; and Pakistan; and it's growing in Indonesia.

Are you noticing a pattern here?

In many places (UK I'm looking at you) if you speak up against the very legal rules that legitimize such actions then you can be declared to be Islamaphobic.

Be disgusted by this. Great. I am as well. What can be done? Criticize the legal doctrines (Sharia) that justify it. And then set people straight that criticizing these legal doctrines is legitimate and not "phobic".

Look at cuba, north korea, china, russia, iran, iraq, afghanistan, syria etc.

We can and do punish them by not abiding to the global rules - why cant we do the same with saudia arabia?

Hint: the reason is not fear of being called islamophob.


Btw. SA is the biggest contributor to wahabism, probaly the most radical movement of islam.

Yes. SA is the biggest promoter of wahabism. And it is the most violent and regressive school of thought. Until recently (late 20th C) it wasn't even taken seriously by the other schools. Or so I've read as I'm not an Islamic scholar.   

The US has been tolerating SA (and some individuals actually profiting greatly) because they have something our economy desperately needs. Those days are coming to an end. I have no problem making money off of them by selling them arms.  Employment to 1000s of people and tax revenue is good. It helps offset the money we send them.

SA is coming upon really hard times. Their funds are drying up and they are in a proxy war with Iran for the soul of Islam.

Now the point I was making was not for government action. It was for individual action.  SA will not be ostracized for at least another 20-30 years. If oil reaches 100+  barrel for a long time we're fuked. SA knows this. Our government knows this. The SA at a point where it needs violence and the threat of violence to stay in power. This is an existential issue to them. They cannot look weak to their foes. And they know it very, very well.

This kid is being made an example of.  We all know it. Our best way to condemn it is to condemn the ideology itself without shame and without fear. The government will not do anything.  We need their oil and we need it for another generation. Fraking alone will not make up for the loss of SA oil.

[TheCoinGrabber]

And Saudi Arabia actually have a seat in the UN Human Rights Council. Yeah, it's that ridiculous. It's like asking a lion to join a sheep's meeting.

This kid is being made an example of.  We all know it. Our best way to condemn it is to condemn the ideology itself without shame and without fear. The government will not do anything.  We need their oil and we need it for another generation. Fraking alone will not make up for the loss of SA oil.

This would definitely rub Iranians the wrong way though. Wouldn't be surprised if they'd support violence against Sunnis in their country or at least do nothing when more radical groups start to commit violence in retaliation.

[Spendulus]

....
Btw. SA is the biggest contributor to wahabism, probaly the most radical movement of islam.

Although Wahhabism is radical it is certainly not the most radical movement of Islam, and it is not extremist violent Islam.

In fact the modern extremist violent Islam started with 30 pamphlets written by Sayyid Qutb, who was executed in Egypt for treason in, IIRC about 1966.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb

This man created the Muslim Brotherhood, and was the teacher of Usama Bin Laden.

Today there are many radical Islamic sects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_extremism

[Reatim]

What can we expect in those countries that has different kind of approach in life of every people?and besides we can’t tell them to adopt our laws and our style in running their government because we have not aware of their culture

It’s easy for us to say or throw stones to them but this is how they run government,let’s just be happy because we are in separate management