Quickseller vs cleaning up the forum

[suchmoon]

I'm getting tired of Quicksy polluting unrelated threads with personal attacks and frivolous accusations related to my efforts to report plagiarised posts to moderators. I will not engage him on this topic elsewhere except to redirect to this thread.

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[suchmoon]

Reserved 1.

Edit - moving posts from other threads here.

redsn0w has over 10k posts, and as such, I would dispute that it is easy to find plagiarism within that many posts even if you know there is plagiarism within his posts.  

The additional posts were near to the reported one in redsn0w's post history, really easy to spot. He simply went across random shitcoin threads and copied fragments of other posts, following his enrollment into a sig campaign. There's more on the next page of hist post history etc. The only reason I posted them is because you lied about there being only one instance of plagiarism.

someone clearly reported him for plagiarism, as this is how he was banned. Based on the fact suchmoon had three examples of his plagiarism, I would believe she was the one who reported redsn0w

I did report it although I can't be certain it got him the ban. Quite likely though.

And I would report you or Lauda as well if I found either of you plagiarizing. In most cases I don't even see the username when I'm reporting since that doesn't concern me.

Your insinuation that this is somehow targeted is ridiculous. I scan entire threads. For larger threads I sample 100-500 posts first to gauge the overall quality and if it's likely to be shitty then I scan the whole thread. I believe that's what got the thread redsn0w was in. It would cost me 100+ times more to do the same for the post history of a single 10k-post user and no one, not even you or cryptowhinybitch or any of my other virtual "enemies" are worth it. But a plagiarizing 10k-post user likely has more plagiarized posts than a plagiarizing 10-post newbie so they're more likely to get caught.

I appreciate your attention to my efforts to clean the forum up.

[suchmoon]

Reserved 2.

Edit - moving posts from other threads here.

suchmoon strongly implied she would not report lauda plagiarism if it was found.

Except I didn't but please keep repeating that lie as much as you can, you'll have less time for scamming then.

I am mostly interested in the tool - the bot - used to actually report the plagiarists.

The who is mostly irrelevant, unless the who talks about said tool he/she/it uses.

I'm not sure if my "prime suspect" has been mentioned yet, but feel free to review an older thread on the topic:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5032322

I am not sure who your "prime suspect" is, but I found a "confession" in that thread:

I'm experimenting with some NLP techniques for plagiarism detection and the results are promising although scalability is a bit of an issue. Currently working just on comparing Bitcointalk posts (not to outside sources).

I experimented with n-grams a little bit and couldn't find a good value. Low n yields too many false positives, high n doesn't detect spinners, etc. So I'm using a mixture of algorithms and base the decision on the pattern of the results of those algorithms - e.g. if the similarity of two texts using algorithm A is 70%, then union/intersect/otherwise manipulate the texts, run algorithm B, if it scores 90% then run algorithm C to eliminate false positives - made up numbers but you get the idea. Works ok-ish, but as I mentioned it doesn't scale well and I need to do more testing on larger samples.

Brilliant detective work, Quicksy. May I suggest investigating bears and popes next.

I literally have "snitch" under my avatar, speaking of which - I was wearing Stitch for months. I actually explained to you personally how I look for plagiarism when you decided to lie about it, which happens a lot for some reason. Early onset Alzheimer's or just trying to save your account farm by attacking people who're cleaning up the forum from garbage like you?

The bot is likely a myth though. I doubt there is anyone running an actual bot (autonomous software) to find and report posts. I report a shitload of posts - on a good month probably in double digits as a percentage of all reports - and I still manually review and report every single post. Just using some software tools more tailored to the task than a simple Google search.

But if it makes spammers quake in their boots... yes, there's a bot and it's gonna get you in your sleep.

I found it weird that you were dancing around the subject of you actually running a bot, expect for the sarcastic comment at the end of your post.....until I remembered this:

I'm involved in what could be considered a service to the community and there are some expenses (details available to serious bidders on request). I've been footing those bills on my own for the last ~year but my SO got a hold of the last one... long story short, that's no longer a viable option

Neither of the posts explicitly say if you are presently running a bot, and the post in which you sell your avatar doesn't explicitly say what the money will be used for, leaving open the possibility that either you could be using the money to finance the cost of the bot, and to reimburse your family the previous cost of the bot. No big deal, there isn't any reason to be forced to disclose what money that is legitimately obtained is going to be used for.

No one cares if the person reporting the posts actually looks at the reports before submitting them, the end result is still the same. Frankly, so long as any bot used uses sufficient logic to weed out common phrases that would not be plagiarism, there shouldn't be any concerns with automatically reporting posts. Although based on who I believe is most likely to have created the bot, I have my doubts the person's junk science would allow him to sufficiently weed out these false positives.

Back on track, I think it is pretty clear you are still using the bot, and I think you are expending your own money to pay for these expenses. I also think you are probably not explicitly lying, but are making statements that you believe will lead your SO to believe you are *not* any longer paying these expenses yourself (and that he actually believes this). In some regards, this kind of deception to a SO, or someone you have a close personal relationship with is worse than explicitly lying because it leaves open the possibility to deny being deceptive when caught and confronted (and asked if you were previously lying).

I am not sure if you paid, or are paying, or were but no longer are paying the person who I believe to have created the bot. I believe him to be a scammer, troll, and a spammer, and not one to care about others enough to want to make this kind of tool for free. On the other hand, he has a history of smearing anyone who calls out his shady behavior, and holds a grudge, so I can't rule this person out from being willing to create a tool to use his junk science to further grind on his ax so to speak, that eventually got repurposed and/or modified to catch people plagiarizing.

Knowing my observations of your behavior on the forum, and who I know you align with, I am not surprised to see deception on your part.  

Holy macaroni... so your problem with me is that you think I'm lying to my spouse?

If you weren't such a conniving weasel I'd be happy to provide invoices and source code to you but you'd just come up with a bunch of other lies. Not sure who you're implying to be the "scammer" who wrote the software (I guess tspacepilot would be a candidate as you likely hold a grudge against him). That's simply false. No other person touched the tools I built to report posts. You can keep calling it a bot if you want, I'm not going to try to explain what I'm actually doing, but I will keep calling you a lying asshat as you so thoroughly deserve it.

I have my doubts the person's junk science would allow him to sufficiently weed out these false positives

Feel free to ask theymos what the rate of false positives is in my reports, lying asshat.

You mentioned up thread that you manually review all the reports before submitting them, yet you say to ask theymos as to how many of your reports are inaccurate as evidence of the accuracy of your bot. These two items conflict with each other.

No, it's just you looking for any angle to attack me. Stop derailing every thread with that shit. Create a scam accusation about this "very dishonest person" and add it to your signature, lying asshat.

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Obviously this thread is complete bullshit and is a response to my calling out suchmoon for using a bot to check for plagiarism and use said bot as a weapon to get those who dissent the opinions of her supporters.

There are no facts nor “red flags” presented in this thread and it is explicitly stated that suchmoon doesn’t like my opinions and is doesn’t want others listening to my opinions, likely because she believes I will convince others to oppose her supporters.

[mikeywith]

Your insinuation that this is somehow targeted is ridiculous. I scan entire threads.

If that is the case, and I do trust your words for it and also from a technical stand point I know exactly how difficult it would be to "target" a single user and then compare their posts against every possible input on the forum, I do believe that it's nearly impossible unless someone wants to invest a lot of resources to simply try and ban x user, if i was to do such a thing, i would go for comparing posts within threads to each other, at least this how anyone with common sense would handle such a thing.

I do believe you are doing a great job here, your part is to report those plagiarized posts, then if the mods for some reason think that user shouldn't be banned due to his/her contribution or whatever reason, then that's their own business to handle.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

QS used to be OK but he’s becoming increasingly frustrated & seems irritated about the way the forum is run.
I don’t know what his problem is but the personal attacks on individuals isn’t good practise.
Hopefully he comes to his senses & starts to contribute in a more positive way, everything about him oozes bitterness & negativity at the moment.

[bones261]

QS used to be OK but he’s becoming increasingly frustrated & seems irritated about the way the forum is run.
I don’t know what his problem is but the personal attacks on individuals isn’t good practise.
Hopefully he comes to his senses & starts to contribute in a more positive way, everything about him oozes bitterness & negativity at the moment.

     I believe that he wants to be the one responsible for bringing down another trusted member. Just like he went from hero to zero, I'm sure he'd relish someone else going from hero to zero.
     Furthermore, in this particular case, I suspect QS finds suchmoon's efforts as a threat. If he is still running an account farm, suchmoon's efforts must be frustrating his efforts to rank up his accounts. I am sure suchmoon is reporting much more infractions besides plagiarism. Although posting low quality and off topic posts won't get an account immediately banned, it may lead to that eventually. Also, having posts deleted by the staff can definitely effect revenue, if any alt accounts are enrolled in signature campaigns.

[DireWolfM14]

I suspect QS finds suchmoon's efforts as a threat. If he is still running an account farm, suchmoon's efforts must be frustrating his efforts to rank up his accounts.

I would speculate that this is QS's biggest frustration right now.  I do suspect that QS is in control of TomatoCage, and he likely resurrected the account with hopes of landing a sig campaign, or selling the account for a decent sum.  There's nothing more frustrating that someone attacking your source of income, and QS probably feels that suchmoon is doing just that.

[suchmoon]

Your insinuation that this is somehow targeted is ridiculous. I scan entire threads.

If that is the case

I've been able to scale it to compare posts between threads but it has limitations. Still prohibitively expensive to target a specific user nor is there any point in doing so. If someone has been plagiarizing they're likely to get caught anyway and I'm at the limit of what I can afford to do already.

it's nearly impossible unless someone wants to invest a lot of resources to simply try and ban x user

It's also the same issue when someone says "I did it only once" in their appeal thread. They got caught once but almost inevitably there is more, it's just very costly to find.

[marlboroza]

I figured that QS is posting assumption after assumption after assumption, always trying to find hidden meaning in everything.
If you say sun is warm he will probably open thread and point out that you said sun is warm because he assumed that you are afraid of water and you can't swim
Perhaps he should keep his assumptions to himself?

[TECSHARE]

Weird how none of the regular characters complaining about bickering thread spam are here objecting. Funny how that works.

[suchmoon]

I would speculate that this is QS's biggest frustration right now.  I do suspect that QS is in control of TomatoCage, and he likely resurrected the account with hopes of landing a sig campaign, or selling the account for a decent sum.  There's nothing more frustrating that someone attacking your source of income, and QS probably feels that suchmoon is doing just that.

I'm not sure how much you know about Quicksy's fall from grace but NLP played a big part in it. His recent references to "junk science" made me think that he's concerned I might out his alts so he's trying to discredit me and my methods preemptively. Except that what I'm doing only broadly falls into the same category as tspacepilot's methods like cars and skateboards fall into the "things with wheels" category. Don't tell him that though, let him sweat

Perhaps he should keep his assumptions to himself?

TBH I don't particularly mind him posting his assumptions and making an ass of himself except when he starts derailing unrelated threads... this subject was starting to reach into cryptohunter-level crosstrolling.

Weird how none of the regular characters complaining about bickering thread spam are here objecting. Funny how that works.

Well, you're here so the hope is not lost.

[TECSHARE]

TBH I don't particularly mind him posting his assumptions and making an ass of himself except when he starts derailing unrelated threads... this subject was starting to reach into cryptohunter-level crosstrolling.

In order to have cross trolling there would need to first be trolling which is being cross trolled. Are you admitting to trolling now? Why is your trolling ok but his trolling is not acceptable? Interesting how everyone who doesn't have the protective mark of brown on their nose is just like cryptohunter all of a sudden.

[suchmoon]

TBH I don't particularly mind him posting his assumptions and making an ass of himself except when he starts derailing unrelated threads... this subject was starting to reach into cryptohunter-level crosstrolling.

In order to have cross trolling there would need to first be trolling which is being cross trolled. Are you admitting to trolling now? Why is your trolling ok but his trolling is not acceptable? Interesting how everyone who doesn't have the protective mark of brown on their nose is just like cryptohunter all of a sudden.

"Crosstrolling" - trolling across multiple threads, like crossposting. Trolling in response to someone else's trolling would be "countertrolling" perhaps.

As I previously stated, you previously both claimed the following:
1: you manually review each instances of plagiarism prior to reporting them:
2: theymos could attest to the accuracy of your bot in how often it shows false positives based on your report accuracy rating

You appear to have deleted some posts, however the two above statement conflict with eachother, and cannot both be true.

I didn't say "theymos could attest to the accuracy of [...] bot", I said "Feel free to ask theymos what the rate of false positives is in my reports", i.e. whatever BS you're making about the accuracy of the "bot" and whatnot is utterly irrelevant as far as the wave of bans is concerned and yes, off-topic in that thread.

Your attempt to emphasize the "bot" aspect is lovely though. Perhaps you're thinking it will somehow damage my reputation or something, if the alleged "bot" wrongs people. Except there is no bot and I take full personal responsibility for the reports I make and I profusely apologize for the wrong ones. Leave it to Quicksy to spin something like that into a negative

[The-One-Above-All]

I would speculate that this is QS's biggest frustration right now.  I do suspect that QS is in control of TomatoCage, and he likely resurrected the account with hopes of landing a sig campaign, or selling the account for a decent sum.  There's nothing more frustrating that someone attacking your source of income, and QS probably feels that suchmoon is doing just that.

I'm not sure how much you know about Quicksy's fall from grace but NLP played a big part in it. His recent references to "junk science" made me think that he's concerned I might out his alts so he's trying to discredit me and my methods preemptively. Except that what I'm doing only broadly falls into the same category as tspacepilot's methods like cars and skateboards fall into the "things with wheels" category. Don't tell him that though, let him sweat

Perhaps he should keep his assumptions to himself?

TBH I don't particularly mind him posting his assumptions and making an ass of himself except when he starts derailing unrelated threads... this subject was starting to reach into cryptohunter-level crosstrolling.

Weird how none of the regular characters complaining about bickering thread spam are here objecting. Funny how that works.

Well, you're here so the hope is not lost.

Let's deal with the observable instances here


1. Snitchmoon (the fat slob) certainly does try and weaponize this " copy and paste " crap to silence or ban people. After cryptohunter had broken suchmoons fragile mind in public and she went full retard screaming out mad statements like

"most pre merit legends are spammers"

or

" It is idiotic and incorrect to say that some of the 99.87% of the board can create posts as good or better than some of the posts made by the 0.13%"

then after screaming about the validity and value of the merit system THEN goes on to debunk her entire argument by saying that "good poster" / " bad poster" are meaningless terms without clear criteria and definition.

Merit score, a valuable and reliable MEANINGLESS metric. lol thanks suchmoron that was worth 3 threads of you looking foolish.

After being made to look full retard several times by cryptohunter, suchmoon VIA a handy sockpuppet ScumBuster (suchmoon was the first to note the report had been made by scumbuster and seemed very happy and is usually super critical of PUPPET accounts but seemed very supportive of ScumBuster) reported 2 copy and pastes

a/ was a report made to assist cryptohunter demonstrate clearly darkcoin was instamined super hard (which his pal lauda was lying about saying he was on the launch and there was no premine). This report was on the top of every dark coin scam thread.

b/ a post by THE DASH GUY (a prior dash whale ) LOL who obviously was not cryptohunter but suchmoon is so brain dead it did not realize that everyone knew that was the case since cryptohunter was the one to reveal the premine first and start the wave of scam threads that went on for months.

I mean to try and turn this key effort that won the board a $ 2 000 000 000 compensation offer in to a net negative for this board is again all the evidence you need to clearly demonstrate suchmoon is a piece of net negative dirt for this board. Only a complete fucking moron like suchmoon would try to spin a $ 2 000 000 000 dollar compensation offer started by one person who was the main force behind the offer as a net negative.

As cryptohunter claimed and perhaps correctly so HIS effort allowed Bitcoin to remain untouched on spot 1 since even accounting for the fact that darkcoin became synonymous with PREMINE SCAM and pushed away a huge proportion of investors it still reached number 2 for quite some time. NET NEGATIVE BAN HIM LOL.  Was suchmoron a DARKCOIN miner and supporter at any point we wonder??

2. Suchblob now seems be crying about quickseller in many threads. Claiming she is so upset because qs is a LIAR?? oh really well we have not seen these lies? but SUCHMOON has NO PROBLEM WITH LIARS or SCAMMERS she knows full well LAUDA is a liar and SCAMMER and still includes them and enables them on to DT.  Sounds strange doesn't it? hates SOME liars? she includes several people that are observable untrustworthy because IT SUITS HER AGENDA.

3. Suchmoon now starts trolling trolling. Claiming the true legend cryptohunter was cross trolling - Let's see suchmoron present the observable instances of trolling here for analysis. .  Else she will become bitcointalks number 2 trolling trolling troll and LIAR.  

You are not doing the board any service snitchmoon. You are simply a fat ugly piece of worthless dirt. In RL you are obviously sidelined and rejected by every single person that gets anywhere near you. So you spend your life here being caustic and snitching on anyone for minor copy and paste infractions. Even when there is NO financial motive.

To recap. You are a waste of space here. Your treatment in RL is due to your own lack of exercise and poor diet combined with unfortunate genetic code. Get on the treadmill, cut out the lard,  and try to be more happy in your REAL LIFE.

Cleaning up the board LOL - you are enabling the biggest scammers and liars here to gain access to positions of trust. You are NET NEGATIVE and a sneaky double standards dishonest piece of shit.

Excellent member hahahhahhaaha. Theymos is out of his mind. You are about as much use here as the merit and trust system. Excellent systems.

Suchmoon is simply another LFC bitcoin with a slightly sharper mind. Not by much either.

Ban deceptive sneaky shit stains like suchmoon if you want to get rid of the most net negative dregs here.

Regarding QS i would like to see a comparison between whatever he is meant to have done wrong with LAUDA your pal and DT inclusion.  We never heard of QS before coming to meta but plenty of people are well aware LAUDA is a lying scamming dirt bag.

All this whack a mole copy and paste crap will do nothing. If there is no financial motive it is a NON issue and pathetic to worry about it when on the other hand you are happy to include liars and scammers on DT.

It seems totally reasonable to me that you would not report a copy and paste by lauda, you scream about other liars but give lauda a DT inclusion for lying and scamming.

Just face it snitchmoon. You have been crushed in debate and made to look retarded. Your double standards and untrustworthy selective whining and snitching is clear for all to see.  Your picture was posted and it was disturbing. You have been caught out crying about others posting PM's and when YOU HAVE DONE THIS previously.  NET NEGATIVE.

Delete your account already.

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[nutildah]

weew lordy thats a lot of words

Nobody needs to read all that (nor should they) to know that



In your whole rant you only mention QS's name 1 time; your whole thing barely even counts as "on topic" discussion.

I for one think the plagiabot (j/k I know its not a bot but thats a fun name for the process) goes back a bit too far sometimes, but in general it sure is a stern reminder for shitposters that copy/pasting doesn't pay. Anybody who would be outright against such a thing has personally motivated reasons for being so. The fact that a few DT1s have been caught and banned recently is pretty solid evidence of its impartiality.

Accounts that have proved their worth over the years since their last offense have indeed been re-instated, though sometimes with a penalty, so I don't understand the arguments against these recent wave-bannings.

[The-One-Above-All]

weew lordy thats a lot of words

Nobody needs to read all that (nor should they) to know that



In your whole rant you only mention QS's name 1 time; your whole thing barely even counts as "on topic" discussion.

I for one think the plagiabot (j/k I know its not a bot but thats a fun name for the process) goes back a bit too far sometimes, but in general it sure is a stern reminder for shitposters that copy/pasting doesn't pay. Anybody who would be outright against such a thing has personally motivated reasons for being so. The fact that a few DT1s have been caught and banned recently is pretty solid evidence of its impartiality.

Accounts that have proved their worth over the years since their last offense have indeed been re-instated, though sometimes with a penalty, so I don't understand the arguments against these recent wave-bannings.

Shut up EVIL account seller. VS CLEANING UP THE BOARD is part of the topic.  The background information for the reader supports QS claim.

I'm glad you have shown up actually because you help to raise ANOTHER hypocritical element of snitchmoons CLEANING UP THE BOARD bullshit.

We see snitchmoon is claiming QS is a lying ACCOUNT SELLER.

You are an account seller that did so BELIEVING YOU WERE FACILITATING SCAMMERS.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134507.msg50719875#msg50719875

Does suchmoon call you out for trying to help facilitate scammers? or for the FACT you are a hypocrite and untrustworthy??

Thanks for showing up dirt bag. Always a pleasure to use your history to demonstrate the untrustworthy double standards of Snichmoon CLEANING UP THE BOARD selectively with her personal agenda as QS correctly claims.

Suchmoon is claiming that QS is incorrectly claiming she enforces this C&P selectively. This is ALL on topic you simply do not have the capacity to see the relevance. Her behavior and being selective in other clear instances does add a lot of weight to QS claims.

[suchmoon]

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Just to put your mind at ease: I have reported you for copypasta 6 times just in the last 30 days and there's a few more that I haven't reviewed yet. You've copied posts as recently as December 2017. It's all spammy repetitive copy-paste without references but I guess moderators don't see it as serious enough to require action - all reports are stuck in "unhandled".

I don't need a sockpuppet account for that, as I said I take responsibility for my reports.

plagiabot

plaguebot

[The-One-Above-All]

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Just to put your mind at ease: I have reported you for copypasta 6 times just in the last 30 days and there's a few more that I haven't reviewed yet. You've copied posts as recently as December 2017. It's all spammy repetitive copy-paste without references but I guess moderators don't see it as serious enough to require action - all reports are stuck in "unhandled".

I don't need a sockpuppet account for that, as I said I take responsibility for my reports.

Oh a bit upset we just demonstrated QS is totally correct about your untrustworthy, double standards, and highly probable selective copy and paste reporting are we

Well, I doubt you could have reported US for anything miss obese SLOB. Your picture nearly made us all sick, you should be net negative on that basis alone you fat retard.

So present them here now if you are not lying.  Probably something nearly as funny as getting a 2 000 000 000 dollar compensation for the board. Or being THE DASH GUY. haha

Also, present the trolling fatso whilst you are at it or you will find yourself on our trolling trolling trolls and liars thread.

If you are referring to the TRUE LEGEND cryptohunter. It is likely, he is quite careless now and then probably some other unimportant crap , I am sure he has nothing to worry about.  I mean to turn a TRUE legend to NET NEGATIVE you will need more than copy and paste. Perhaps stealing $ 2 000 000 000 dollars from members of the board or maybe deleting all copies of btc's blockchain could help you out.  I don't think any person would believe he is incapable of generating his own content. I wonder if he has posted the most (in terms of words) on this entire forum?

OOOHHHH you copied and pasted. Haha. What a pathetic snitching fat piece of white trash you are. Sitting there waiting for your snitcher badge no doubt lol.

Who cares you fat pig. I am sure the true legend is basking in the sun somewhere enjoying himself. Bitcointalk a distant memory of a once great forum.  He probably will return again when the board is cleansed of the net negative non achieving dirt like you suchmoron.

OKAY SCUMBUSTER aka suchmoon

As we said snackmuch or whatever you are called. Put down the donuts, get off your lard ass and you may be able to get someone to insert something other than a stick of tnt into your rancid hole and relieve that pent up frustration your weird little weasel bearded partner can't relieve you of.

QS is quite correct. You are untrustworthy and selectively try to weaponize this copy and paste crap, deleted posts or anything else you can for your own personal gain.

Bring the comparison between QS and Lauda your DT inclusion pal and we will tear you another gaping hole in public. Suchblob.

[Theb]

It's not the first time we have seen a member lose his/her way when they have gotten into the spotlight of controversy, I have seen lesser known members like digaran, mdayonliner/S_Therapist on the same situation and they did some untrustworthy things just because they are on the spotlight at the same time losing the battle. The same thing can be said to Quickseller, I know it was hard for him to get his reputation back up and now he got into another mess which I think the damage is far beyond repair that is why he is doing some unbelievable accusations against you and to other members here that brought him down.

[suchmoon]

It's not the first time we have seen a member lose his/her way when they have gotten into the spotlight of controversy, I have seen lesser known members like digaran, mdayonliner/S_Therapist on the same situation and they did some untrustworthy things just because they are on the spotlight at the same time losing the battle. The same thing can be said to Quickseller, I know it was hard for him to get his reputation back up and now he got into another mess which I think the damage is far beyond repair that is why he is doing some unbelievable accusations against you and to other members here that brought him down.

I think Quickseller is far more capable of rebuilding his reputation than those other users you mentioned. He can certainly do good work like his recent thread about stake.com shows. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be able to refrain from making stuff up and that casts doubt on everything else he's doing and on his motives. I don't know if it's about personal grudges or some perceived insecurities or something. I don't recall if I harmed or offended him in a particular way before his attacks started but looking at some of his other conflicts it doesn't seem to take much to set him off.