If you're banned because of plagiarism, you can't create another account (?)

[LogitechMouse]

In this past weeks, I've seen different users here in the meta section appealing because they have been banned for plagiarism. Some of them are just appealing but they know already their fault.

One of the rules here is when you get banned thru plagiarism, you can't create another account in this forum and it will be a read-only mode anymore for them.

My question is: For ex. I have been banned for plagiarism and I want to create another account even though I know that it is prohibited here, I can create anytime without saying it to the public. How are the moderators and admins of the forum detect if the banned user really didn't create another account here because I'm thinking that some of the banned users here just created another account without telling it to anybody unless there are something that mods and admins do to prevent this to happen.

P.S. I'm not as active as the other users here. I'm just creating this thread out of curiosity. 

[AB de Royse777]

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My question is: For ex. I have been banned for plagiarism and I want to create another account even though I know that it is prohibited here, I can create anytime without saying it to the public. How are the moderators and admins of the forum detect if the banned user really didn't create another account here because I'm thinking that some of the banned users here just created another account without telling it to anybody unless there are something that mods and admins do to prevent this to happen.

It's very much easy to do. May be there is a risk if you are using the same wifi (IP) but if you are using TOR then there are no way to find you unless you confess it publicly.

[malevolent]

Some users do get found out and then they get banned again for ban evasion. If they were dumb enough to plagiarize other users' posts, they're probably dumb enough to eventually get caught posting under a new account.

[hilariousetc]

I'm thinking that some of the banned users here just created another account without telling it to anybody unless there are something that mods and admins do to prevent this to happen.

That's exactly what most of them do and unless they're silly and publicly link them together somehow then nobody will ever know. 99% of the time admins don't look into this sort of stuff or even ban evasion, even when there's multiple pieces of evidence tying alts together including numerous cases of ban evasion. It's why I've suggested we get rid of the rule because it's useless if it's not enforced properly or at all and losing the account is probably punishment enough in most cases. In the past I've even suggested people just create a new account once banned because I actually feel it's unfair because users who actually follow the rules and leave the forum because they've been told they can't have any more accounts whilst yet there's ban evaders who have dozens of others that are free to carry on as a normal or they just create a new one. You can even create a new account from the same connection and nothing will be done about it. So there's people who follow the rules and leave who might have just been permabanned for one copy and paste whilst there's users here with dozens of troll accounts, many already permabanned, are free to continue being a nuisance on all the others. Who is the bad guy here? The destructive troll with dozens of accounts or the guy who got banned for one case of plagiarism from years ago who creates another but won't make the same mistake again? Follow the actual rules and you should be out. Break them and you can do as you please. It's also why I think we should consider some sort of fine to get your account back, especially for the lesser cases where someone may have been banned for one or two cases of plagiarism but not be considered a 'net positive to the forum so won't be unbanned or issued a sig ban. Money can be given to charity if it's seen as a conflict of interest or the forum profiting from the banning of people.

And just for the record, I don't think people should be ban evading but it's useless when it's as simple as just creating a new account and nothing is ever looked into hence why I think we need to amend certain rules or change how ban appeals work.

[Bitlover10]

They could caught for following reasons..

1 If user using same teligram username for bounty
2 If user using same social media account like Twitter, facebook, Instagram for bounty
3 If user using same Ethereum or Bitcoin wallet for bounty
4 If user using same anything that he used in the previous account
5 As @Royse777 suggested if user using same IP address
6 If user doing same mistakes copy paste
6 Also we have a many good members like @veleor who are well known how find out alt of users.

So these are above few reasons they could easily caught..

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

First you have to understand, the forum doesn't have any unofficial rules disallowing creation of alt accounts instead somehow the forum give her members a free will to create alts but what the forum is against is abusing that privilege so, if a user can learn from previous mistakes and avoid making same mistakes or breaking other forum rules with newly created alts he/she is free to make use of the forum unofficially but that doesn't mean the account won't be punished when caught unless on rare occasion like a case of accounts been tagged net positive, good for the forum etc.

In the spirit of forgiveness, if you have showed some signs of turn around becoming a value member to the community your punishment might be reduced to a lesser one. Therefore creation of alts after getting banned aren't disallowed neither is it allowed, get it ?.

[Mpamaegbu]

Some users do get found out and then they get banned again for ban evasion. If they were dumb enough to plagiarize other users' posts, they're probably dumb enough to eventually get caught posting under a new account.

Some of the accounts that got banned for plagiarism were bought accounts and at such you wouldn't be right saying the owners aren't smart enough and could not be discrete to evade a ban by opening another one through Tor to hide their identity.

In the case of this user https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=370611, and according to his confession, he wasn't the one who plagiarized. It was the original owner of the account he bought. No one would say bill gator isn't a smart dude or wasn't helpful to the community until that fateful day of reckoning when his account got trapped in that ban tsunami.

[coolcoinz]

I guess this rule is there only to allow moderators to ban someone without having to go through reports or his post history. If they are found to be evading a ban, they get another one and it's a clear case with no appeals. IMO it works because if you buy another account to evade the ban you're on borrowed time not knowing when you might get spotted and banned again.

Don't be greedy guys. A few plagiarized posts won't get you a lot of money or merit points and they can easily waste everything you've worked for.

[Coyster]

Posting similarity is to me the only actual way a ban evader can actually be spotted, I do not think the forum goes through any other special or tasking means to actually spot or fish them out, considering the fact that a ban is good enough a punishment and creating a new account is tantamount to restarting from square one.

Ban evasion is against the forum rules, no doubt, but is not strictly/closely monitored.

[Thirdspace]

5 As @Royse777 suggested if user using same IP address

using same IP address is the weakest proof for accusing someone to have alt accounts
and theymos already put proxyban on the IP to slow down registration abuse from marked IP/subnet

How are the moderators and admins of the forum detect if the banned user really didn't create another account here because I'm thinking that some of the banned users here just created another account without telling it to anybody unless there are something that mods and admins do to prevent this to happen.

they can't detect it instantly but they can react (issue another ban) to a ban evasion report or suspicious account
of course with their expertise they will need to confirm the validity of evidences before raising a ban hammer
lets leave it at that point, giving more details would just give clues to ban evaders as yahoo62278 said below

edit: I edited my post after I read yahoo62278's comment

[yahoo62278]

Sometimes you shouldn't answer in a thread or ask certain questions IMO. All the answers in this thread are only serving to make ban evaders smarter and to learn how to make new accounts and go on with life.

[Joel_Jantsen]

Creating new accounts or using other IP addresses will only work for banned accounts with Newbie-Full member ranks. If a Hero or Legendary member gets banned, they wouldn't have the motivation to start all over again since they spent quite a few months to reach that rank and starting from scratch is possible but 90% of the time they will just give up. And even if they manage to start a new account and continue posting they certainly will make sure they adhere to all forum's rules since they already know what it feels like to get banned after reaching a Hero level.

Wouldn't really matter for newbies/Jr.members.

[hd49728]

since they already know what it feels like to get banned after reaching a Hero level.

It is not absolutely right with old generations of forum users, before merit system since shitposters ranked up to Hero or Legendary with old rank system likely don't care too much about forum rules. And, before the activation of plagiabot in early of May, there is not to much serious threats for them and their plagiarisms. I meant, before May 2019, plagiarism reporters likely had to find plagiarism manually, then it was not a productive process, definitely. Consequently, people likely felt safe, and don't care too much about rule on plagiarism. Plagiabot started a nightmare, from now on people have to more carefully with their posts, and their intention to plagiarise.

[TimeBits]

In this past weeks, I've seen different users here in the meta section appealing because they have been banned for plagiarism. Some of them are just appealing but they know already their fault.

One of the rules here is when you get banned thru plagiarism, you can't create another account in this forum and it will be a read-only mode anymore for them.

My question is: For ex. I have been banned for plagiarism and I want to create another account even though I know that it is prohibited here, I can create anytime without saying it to the public. How are the moderators and admins of the forum detect if the banned user really didn't create another account here because I'm thinking that some of the banned users here just created another account without telling it to anybody unless there are something that mods and admins do to prevent this to happen.

P.S. I'm not as active as the other users here. I'm just creating this thread out of curiosity.  

Change a piece of ram take 1 out, if it is a hardware ban, change your browser and clear your cache, use a vpn, make another account they cannot stop you. Unless they light you up in person ^_^
With my system blockPOP (before blockstream yanked that term from me) there would be a way to permaban you  

blockPOP stands for PROOF OF PERSON or PROOF OF POPULATION
It requires your picture (eyes) and fingerprint to Identify you, Actually I have over 30 ways now to make blockPOP verify it is you.

1FA: Password (key)
2FA: Phone msg  
3FA: I.D Picture  (file sharing)
4FA: Fingerprint (file sharing)
5FA: Iris/Eye Scan (file sharing)
6FA: Fingerprint/Iris scan Captcha (move finger prints around and look around with eyes)
7FA: Blood
8FA: Sweat
9FA: Footprint
10FA: Piss
11FA: Skin (flakes)
12FA: Spit
13FA: Shit
14FA: Video of you (file sharing)
15FA: Height
16FA: Carbon imprint (Breathalyzer2.0)
17FA: Weight
18FA: Skin color code
19FA: Hair color code
20FA: Eye colour code
21FA: Sperm
22FA: teeth imprint

I mean I can keep going if you want.

joint accounts can take both husband and wife to cosign with eyes

I got some cool new ones I thought of, that are less intrusive, but lets be real you give up all that shit every time you go in public.

[LogitechMouse]

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I agree that they can caught by that ways but I'm assuming that those people are intelligent enough and they will create another social media accounts and get another ETH address. It is very easy to create another accounts but anyway, thanks to those users who are doing manual tracking to track those stupid banned users.

In the spirit of forgiveness, if you have showed some signs of turn around becoming a value member to the community your punishment might be reduced to a lesser one. Therefore creation of alts after getting banned aren't disallowed neither is it allowed, get it ?.

Yes it is not disallowed here but the problem is, there are some high ranked users telling that if you are banned you can't create another account anymore that is why I think we need to change the rules regarding this thing .

Ban evasion is against the forum rules, no doubt, but is not strictly/closely monitored.

That is why I think moderators must change something regarding ban evasion.

Creating new accounts or using other IP addresses will only work for banned accounts with Newbie-Full member ranks. If a Hero or Legendary member gets banned, they wouldn't have the motivation to start all over again since they spent quite a few months to reach that rank and starting from scratch is possible but 90% of the time they will just give up. And even if they manage to start a new account and continue posting they certainly will make sure they adhere to all forum's rules since they already know what it feels like to get banned after reaching a Hero level.

Wouldn't really matter for newbies/Jr.members.

If I'm the one who gets banned and my account is already high like Hero or Legendary, I will just leave the forum and forget crypto  . But to be honest, this will merit comes in. If the merit system is not implemented, those banned users will just spam shit out of the forum for how many years just to get a high rank again.

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Sorry I can't understand it because I'm not that good on it . Maybe what you said can be helpful to others

For me, I think lets just forget about them since creating account here is as easy as counting 1-2-3 . For those high ranked members, maybe this can affect them since they will start again from scratch. Thanks for the users here who are manually tracking those stupid users out there

Will lock the thread. Thanks for sharing your opinion regarding this topic