there is an issue which i brought up and was brought again today

[philipma1957]

Here goes  only unedited posts can be used for plagiarized content.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5152626.0

yazher's thread above.

and suchmoon's reply.



so  here is an example

this is not edited yet.


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[philipma1957]

please forgive this double post I need to do it to show  the problem.

If I am wrong I will edit this out.



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[Quickseller]

I believe the mods will check for edited posts prior to banning someone for plagiarism. They will rule out someone being framed via edited posts. I don't think you will get banned if you are plagiarizing a single post that was made within 10 minutes of when you posted, although if someone is found to have copied many posts created within this timeframe, this will not create a loophole to prevent them from being banned.

[philipma1957]

I believe the mods will check for edited posts prior to banning someone for plagiarism. They will rule out someone being framed via edited posts. I don't think you will get banned if you are plagiarizing a single post that was made within 10 minutes of when you posted, although if someone is found to have copied many posts created within this timeframe, this will not create a loophole to prevent them from being banned.

yeah  I get that  but  note  my  two posts above I am trying to demo the problem.  Should take a bit of time to show what  I am attempting to do.

also I am not sure if this demo works in meta section.  I may need to do it in a normal section.


Well what do you know I did find a flaw on my end

All these Edits don’t show for meta on my Mac mini or on my iPad

Which means either something is wrong on my end as edits don’t pop up or. Meta edits are hidden?

That seems wrong.

Btw was not looking for it.
All my posts on this thread have multiple edits. And I can not show them on my iPad or my Mac mini.

[xhomerx10]

I remember reading somewhere on here about a 10 minute grace period for edits during which time, the edits are not logged.   

[suchmoon]

yeah  I get that  but  note  my  two posts above I am trying to demo the problem.  Should take a bit of time to show what  I am attempting to do.

also I am not sure if this demo works in meta section.  I may need to do it in a normal section.

It works in any section. Edits within 10 minutes are not indicated on the post timestamp. Edits after 10 minutes will trigger the edit timestamp/label.

I remember reading somewhere on here about a 10 minute grace period for edits during which time, the edits are not logged.   

Yep.

[philipma1957]

Look at my posts all were edited yet first two did not show.


I can duplicate this.

I think.




This edit is with an iPad mini 5 iOS 12.3.1

It will show

[suchmoon]

Look at my posts all were edited yet first two did not show.


I can duplicate this.

I think.

All of those edits were within 10 minutes of the post being created. Those don't show up, that's a known feature and I'm sure mods are aware of that before swinging the banhammer.

Re iPad: normally you need to mouse-over to see the edit timestamp, which is kinda impossible on a touchscreen, so on mobile devices the edit timestamp is supposed to show up next to the creation timestamp without doing a mouse-over. If that's not what you're seeing you might want to let theymos know but that's just a display problem and not going to affect plagiarism bans.

This edit is with an iPad mini 5 iOS 12.3.1

It will show

It won't... still within 10 minutes

[xhomerx10]

 Yep.  Just barely over the 10 minute limit.

[philipma1957]

Okay was not looking for this to be the flaw it just was  looking weird to me.


My original thought is:

Last say a post is a year old is edited today.  Shows  as edited with today’s date.
Then this post is worthless for ban evidence correct?

So scumbags can simply use all edited posts to copy and paste?

Or am I missing something?

[Quickseller]

Then this post is worthless for ban evidence correct?

theymos can look at the edit log of the post, to see what the post looked like as of x date, and proceed accordingly.

[suchmoon]

Okay was not looking for this to be the flaw it just was  looking weird to me.


My original thought is:

Last say a post is a year old is edited today.  Shows  as edited with today’s date.
Then this post is worthless for ban evidence correct?

So scumbags can simply use all edited posts to copy and paste?

Or am I missing something?

If it's already been edited at the time when the spammer copies it then the edit timestamp will still be earlier that the spammer's post timestamp. For this to work the spammer would have to see future, i.e. that a post they copy will be edited after they copy it, or they would have to copy their own posts from alt accounts and then go back to edit them.

So I don't think it would be easier than e.g. copying something from some obscure site that's not indexed by Google, or using one of those word-spinning tools. Most spammers are extremely lazy and spam for pennies so they won't be putting that much effort into it.

[philipma1957]

Okay was not looking for this to be the flaw it just was  looking weird to me.


My original thought is:

Last say a post is a year old is edited today.  Shows  as edited with today’s date.
Then this post is worthless for ban evidence correct?

So scumbags can simply use all edited posts to copy and paste?

Or am I missing something?

If it's already been edited at the time when the spammer copies it then the edit timestamp will still be earlier that the spammer's post timestamp. For this to work the spammer would have to see future, i.e. that a post they copy will be edited after they copy it, or they would have to copy their own posts from alt accounts and then go back to edit them.

So I don't think it would be easier than e.g. copying something from some obscure site that's not indexed by Google, or using one of those word-spinning tools. Most spammers are extremely lazy and spam for pennies so they won't be putting that much effort into it.

Okay this solves my question.