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June 12, 2019, 04:09:37 AM
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The new "flag" system says:
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You must create a topic describing the specific acts which damaged you. It must not be self-moderated.
So figured I would make a topic since people should be warned about SafeDice.



TLDR: SafeDice is an investment dice site where the admin/owner is missing for almost a year and people with stuck funds, including myself, can't withdraw.




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I will just leave the message I made last April here as it sums up the situation:

I say the above based on personal experience.  If you have a disagreeing opinion based on something other than personal experience, I wouldn't consider it relevant.  The problem here is that one person says something without a basis in fact, and then a hundred other BCT.org users repeat it as fact, and so on and so on.  I'm not saying this guy isn't in prison.  I have no idea.  I'm not saying Monero withdrawals work.  What I AM saying is that Bitcoin withdrawals from this site are working.

My own feedback was the following:

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There are rumors that the owner is in prison (for unrelated things.) I do not know if this is true, but I do know the owner has not been active for a long time. Therefor I would stay away from SafeDice.

It seems like the BCH/XMR is stuck and BTC depends on the hot wallet. It is unclear whether a trusted third party (who is close to the owner) is still available to top up the hot wallet or what's going on. I hope anyone who knows more can post in the topic.

Of course this is a pity, because SafeDice has been around for a long time and was legit so far. So I do hope (and TBH expect) the owner will come back and I will be happy to remove my negative trust by that time.

As you can see, it says "BTC depends on the hot wallet". XMR/BCH both had hard forks, so they really don't work any more, but the BTC hot wallet is still functional. So yes, if you are lucky enough, the BTC withdrawals could work.

Naturally more players lose money than win money. And there are still people depositing/playing (see charts.) So this means the hot wallet still goes up from time to time with funds. You can actually follow the hot wallet here: https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/SafeDice.com (it has a delay - so your 0.5 BTC WD will be there tomorrow Wink) Still looks like there are ~5 BTC in it (so any investor with stuck BTC could withdraw a bit now.) Specifically someone deposited 3x 1 BTC on different accounts and lost all 3 BTC at March 26-30, this can be seen both in the hot wallet and profit charts.

Overall a few points:
- Several of us (including myself) has been emailing the admin (both emails) since ~Sep 2018 without any reply
- Cold wallet funds haven't moved since ~Aug 2018: https://btc.com/1SD1ciWyeDNf26YoAUjSsifQZK1ShFJ2s - even at times when the hot wallet was empty for a long time
- XMR and BCH has been broken since they had hard forks
- SafeDice bitcointalk account hasn't been active since Mar 2018: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=396610
- Domain will expire at Sep 2019 - let's hope he has funds in Namecheap account (obviously the same question can be asked about the server.)
- From my view, the BTC hot wallet is only topped up by players
- Hunterd63 claims a previous staff member helped him with a withdrawal (for a reward.) In SafeDice chat, Hunterd63 said the previous staff member said the owner was in prison. This is where the rumor comes from. TBH I don't really care about this rumor, the point is that the admin is inactive.
- The admin has been gone for weeks/months in past too (which is why I still have hope), but this gotta be a new record

So should you deposit/play at SafeDice? Obviously not. It's fine that you share your experience, but we are not making things up. The prison part is speculation, the rest are facts. It is extremely risky to deposit/play at SafeDice (the hot wallet can get empty and/or be less than your winnings, the site can go down all of the sudden, no support whatsoever, etc.) and all the warnings in this topic are justified.

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June 12, 2019, 06:20:53 AM
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I think you should have made a written contract flag rather than a casual agreement flag. After all, they made this promise in writing, on their thread.


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June 12, 2019, 06:22:12 AM
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Mm yeah true, could be considered written contract. But overall, the warning sign is there and the details are available.. so should be fine :p

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June 12, 2019, 07:09:16 AM
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Do you have bitcoin there? Or another coin?

If you have bitcoin, you could monitor the hot wallet balance, and withdraw portions of what you are owed over time. In theory, the site earns money from the losses of some of their players, so the hot wallet may eventually grow to cover deposits held on behalf of all their customers.

The above should not make it safe to deposit money to the site though.

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June 21, 2019, 03:14:54 PM
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It seems to me there's some activity from may 2019 and june 2019 from the cold wallet: you can see 15 BTC going out each time (one in May and another one in June). Those 15 BTC are being spent in small batches to credit whitdrawals from SafeDice. In fact I managed to withdraw 0.00695 BTC from my account and you can see the transaction if you follow the last 15 BTC cold wallet transaction.

The bad news is there are no new transactions from the June 15 BTC batch and I'm not able to withdraw any more but I'm optimistic as eventually May 15 BTC batch got depleted.

Also, I don't know if this means there is someone maintaining the site or this is some kind of script that is triggered when the hot wallet is empty.
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February 08, 2020, 02:40:10 PM
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Looks like there are 0.5 btc in the hot wallet now not sure if the owner ever came back or not?

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February 08, 2020, 06:20:34 PM
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Looks like there are 0.5 btc in the hot wallet now not sure if the owner ever came back or not?


maybe the bitcoin fairy put it there.


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February 08, 2020, 07:58:35 PM
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Looks like there are 0.5 btc in the hot wallet now not sure if the owner ever came back or not?
Most likely, someone deposited some coin there. Hopefully he will see this thread and withdraw before someone else tries to have their withdrawal processed.

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August 28, 2020, 12:40:59 PM
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Mm yeah true, could be considered written contract. But overall, the warning sign is there and the details are available.. so should be fine :p
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