Are there any communists in this forum? Is it compatible with crypto?

[thehun]

In my opinion crypto maximalism (which implies libertarianism, freedom from state's control of our money) is not compatible with being a communist or even a socialist, as the implementation of these systems requires always some kind of force being applied by the state to "redistribute" wealth, but maybe someone can prove me wrong.

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[Mux@]

Ideological beliefs and earnings in the crypto-currency market of nick are not correlated, if it concerns not the state, as such, but the individual. Everyone, regardless of their political preferences, wants to be rich. And in what way a person will increase their wealth, it is a personal matter. Communists in this sense are no different from democrats or liberals.

[gentlemand]

Communism is pretty much the same as libertarianism. On the page they're both appealing ideas in different ways. It's human beings attempting to actually implement them than turns them to shit.

There's never been a communist country. At best there've been attempts at state capitalism. Thankfully there's never been a libertarian country either. That would truly be a living nightmare.

[aad140386]

Dude, if you think about such things, then you have a lot of free time. In this regard, I can only envy you. I think that Marx’s communism and the communism that they tried to implement in the USSR and other countries are different things. I did not go deep into the study of the works of Marx, but I can definitely say that he did not assume complete government control over people. Capitalism in this regard is not much different from communism now. Especially in countries such as the United States where the state is closely watching your citizens, but unlike communism, it is much more liberal about people’s freedoms.

[Febo]

In my opinion crypto maximalism (which implies libertarianism, freedom from state's control of our money) is not compatible with being a communist or even a socialist, as the implementation of these systems requires always some kind of force being applied by the state to "redistribute" wealth, but maybe someone can prove me wrong.

Communism is a political system. It has little with economy and money.  Bitcoin will part state and money. Same as in past they parted religion with state. Communism were totally fine with that.

In 200 years when you will tell someone that money and state were connected they will think you are mad. Same as you would say to someone that would claim religion and state are connected. And that our political leaders are representative of God on Earth.

[Artemis3]

In my opinion crypto maximalism (which implies libertarianism, freedom from state's control of our money) is not compatible with being a communist or even a socialist, as the implementation of these systems requires always some kind of force being applied by the state to "redistribute" wealth, but maybe someone can prove me wrong.

Communism is a political system. It has little with economy and money.  Bitcoin will part state and money. Same as in past they parted religion with state. Communism were totally fine with that.

In 200 years when you will tell someone that money and state were connected they will think you are mad. Same as you would say to someone that would claim religion and state are connected. And that our political leaders are representative of God on Earth.

Yes, ironically Marxists want to end the State with a giant State, and replace the free market with a State "controlled" command economy. It always ends in a police state that destroys itself from within.

Anarchists claim they are the true communists. Within that group, i think Bitcoin makes more sense, but not Marxists.

[dothebeats]

On paper, libertarianism and communism are political ideologies that I think is best for a societal setup, far more superior than democracy which only led us to the likes of Trump and other bad world leaders that we have right now. Though they are good ideologies with good principles at hand, I don't think they'd ever be compatible with crypto knowing that the latter acts on its own, completely free from controls of anything other than the market and the miners which builds the whole economy. Perhaps one can say that anarchy fits the bill more properly than communism or libertarianism when we're talking about bitcoin, though it's wrong to assume that since there are some parts of bitcoin which does not follow anarchy since it's slowly being engulfed by regulations on most parts of the world.

[hatshepsut93]

In communism, according to marxism, there would be no money, and no need for money, so crypto would just be useless, just bits on a hard drive. But no one came even close to achieving communism, and most likely no one ever will. All the previous attempts were trying to go through socialism first, with insane amounts of centralization, they literally had centrally planned economy, and that's the kind of things crypto was created to fight.

But if someone tries to make a libertarian left-wing system, then Bitcoin might work, check out the articles about Bitcoin in Syria, how Kurds are bulding libertarian socialism and using Bitcoin:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Federation_of_Northern_Syria

[TheCoinGrabber]

But crypto is private property and you should have them under a pure communist society right? Granted I have little knowledge of economics but I don't think it would be allowed in such a society.

We can see it with just bitcoins, it's decentralized whereas communist and socialist states would have had a centralized economy. I just can't see these mixing.

[Hydrogen]

Communism is a heavily centralized paradigm. In theory a single, central, entity wields an overwhelming majority of power and influence for the "good of all". A centralized crypto currency with parallels to communism could be developed. The question is, would it better or worse in comparison to crypto built upon a decentralized format. Observations and conclusions derived from the centralization versus decentralization debate in cryptosphere could apply to discussions regarding communism as a political system.

Implications relating to intrinsic structural conditions could share parallels between the two.

In practice, we've witnessed communist societies ban science fiction and proactively strive to stunt the development of new ideas. When it comes to new ideas and breakthroughs communist nations tend to rank poorly in these areas perhaps as a result of heavy censorship and promotion of industry wide mediocrity. We've witnessed this trend under stalinist russia and in recent communist states.

Crypto being a relatively new idea and breakthrough within the grand scheme of things, it may be more likely to be embraced by demographics which are more acclimated to the flow of new ideas and innovations. A communist society like china's where ideas are repressed in the form of science fiction may not cope well with change nor the implications presented by new technologies.

[betty11]

Communism is a political ideology whereas humans have always seek self governance, with these regardless of any political structure operational in any nation, man prefers to be financially secured than having a mutual collaboration, what if the system fails tomorrow? Man starts from ground zero! The original man loves control over his fiance and ould imbibe the bitcoin philosophy.

[Mihaylovic]

actually blockchain system and decentralized ecosystem is financially can support communist system. because both of them are against the traditional financial systems. they both try to find an alternative solution for the people.

[exstasie]

In my opinion crypto maximalism (which implies libertarianism, freedom from state's control of our money) is not compatible with being a communist or even a socialist, as the implementation of these systems requires always some kind of force being applied by the state to "redistribute" wealth, but maybe someone can prove me wrong.

You are only considering "state communist" ideologies like Marxism-Leninism which forcibly redistribute property. The umbrella of socialism is much broader than that. Some socialist schools of thought reject the use of money (whether gold or dollars or BTC) but it doesn't have anything to do with forced collectivization. Any anarchist position, especially market anarchism (also called "market socialism"), would be compatible with the usage of BTC as money.

[bitmover]

In my opinion crypto maximalism (which implies libertarianism, freedom from state's control of our money) is not compatible with being a communist or even a socialist, as the implementation of these systems requires always some kind of force being applied by the state to "redistribute" wealth, but maybe someone can prove me wrong.

You are right, communism and socialism are not compatible with bitcoin. Actually, they are the opposite. Bitcoin is true liberalism, against government power... Socialists love government interfering with their lives, controlling how they can spend their money, what they can read, who can they talk too, etc...

I never understood why we have so many socialists here defending the opposite of what bitcoin is...

Bitcoin is truly libertarian.

[Shenzou]

In my opinion crypto maximalism (which implies libertarianism, freedom from state's control of our money) is not compatible with being a communist or even a socialist, as the implementation of these systems requires always some kind of force being applied by the state to "redistribute" wealth, but maybe someone can prove me wrong.

We may all have different ideologies and have different political beliefs, but the only thing that everyone agrees on and the only thing that everyone likes is money, and bitcoin gives everyone the opportunity to make some, so it does not matter whether you are a communist or a librettist, plus in our current society most of the people don't care about these kind of ideologies, for the late boomers and beyond who are the people that are shaping the future don't care about these stuff.

[bitmover]

In my opinion crypto maximalism (which implies libertarianism, freedom from state's control of our money) is not compatible with being a communist or even a socialist...

We may all have different ideologies and have different political beliefs, but the only thing that everyone agrees on and the only thing that everyone likes is money, and bitcoin gives everyone the opportunity to make some

You are basically saying that you are  a socialist, and your interest in bitcoin is just to make easy money, and you  don´t care about bitcoin ideology or fundamentals.

[hatshepsut93]

We may all have different ideologies and have different political beliefs, but the only thing that everyone agrees on and the only thing that everyone likes is money, and bitcoin gives everyone the opportunity to make some, so it does not matter whether you are a communist or a librettist, plus in our current society most of the people don't care about these kind of ideologies, for the late boomers and beyond who are the people that are shaping the future don't care about these stuff.

It's not true that everyone likes money, the ideology of communism seeks to abolish money totally, because money is in the core of market economy, and they want to replace market economy with communism, where everything is free. People like money only because it can be exchanged for goods and services, without it it's just paper or bits on a computer, so when money become worthless, no one likes them anymore.

So, communists wouldn't refuse if you'd offer them some free Bitcoin's, because a money is a money, but their goal is to make Bitcoin useless, and to them Bitcoin is a representation of pure capitalism, because it is essentially a digital private property, so don't expect communists to be fans of Bitcoin.

[CryptoBry]

We may all have different ideologies and have different political beliefs, but the only thing that everyone agrees on and the only thing that everyone likes is money, and bitcoin gives everyone the opportunity to make some, so it does not matter whether you are a communist or a librettist, plus in our current society most of the people don't care about these kind of ideologies, for the late boomers and beyond who are the people that are shaping the future don't care about these stuff.

It's not true that everyone likes money, the ideology of communism seeks to abolish money totally, because money is in the core of market economy, and they want to replace market economy with communism, where everything is free. People like money only because it can be exchanged for goods and services, without it it's just paper or bits on a computer, so when money become worthless, no one likes them anymore. So, communists wouldn't refuse if you'd offer them some free Bitcoin's, because a money is a money, but their goal is to make Bitcoin useless, and to them Bitcoin is a representation of pure capitalism, because it is essentially a digital private property, so don't expect communists to be fans of Bitcoin.

I have limited knowledge on communism but I am sure that it is just another idea that failed to work when implemented in the field all because as humans we are dealing with the weaknesses of the human nature. Bitcoin is partly about returning the power to the hands of the people and minimize the role of the government in the financial system (though this has not fully happened yet). Right now, I don't know of any country that can claim to be under true communism as countries like China and Russia have already adopted many capitalistic ideas and concepts and are now playing and competing in the global market.

So the question is if bitcoin can be compatible with communists? Well, to me, as long as they are still using money then maybe there will be no problem unless of course if the government they are under made a strong stand against the use and trade of bitcoin probably not because they are communists but because they are afraid to lose the supposed control on their economy and the people.

[sgenuine]

actually blockchain system and decentralized ecosystem is financially can support communist system. because both of them are against the traditional financial systems. they both try to find an alternative solution for the people.

True. But the question itself was a great surprise for me. I never thought that political views can affect such things as the choice of the form of investments, for instance. I am sure, some communists here earn on crypto.

[Yakamoto]

We may all have different ideologies and have different political beliefs, but the only thing that everyone agrees on and the only thing that everyone likes is money, and bitcoin gives everyone the opportunity to make some, so it does not matter whether you are a communist or a librettist, plus in our current society most of the people don't care about these kind of ideologies, for the late boomers and beyond who are the people that are shaping the future don't care about these stuff.

It's not true that everyone likes money, the ideology of communism seeks to abolish money totally, because money is in the core of market economy, and they want to replace market economy with communism, where everything is free. People like money only because it can be exchanged for goods and services, without it it's just paper or bits on a computer, so when money become worthless, no one likes them anymore. So, communists wouldn't refuse if you'd offer them some free Bitcoin's, because a money is a money, but their goal is to make Bitcoin useless, and to them Bitcoin is a representation of pure capitalism, because it is essentially a digital private property, so don't expect communists to be fans of Bitcoin.

I have limited knowledge on communism but I am sure that it is just another idea that failed to work when implemented in the field all because as humans we are dealing with the weaknesses of the human nature. Bitcoin is partly about returning the power to the hands of the people and minimize the role of the government in the financial system (though this has not fully happened yet). Right now, I don't know of any country that can claim to be under true communism as countries like China and Russia have already adopted many capitalistic ideas and concepts and are now playing and competing in the global market.

So the question is if bitcoin can be compatible with communists? Well, to me, as long as they are still using money then maybe there will be no problem unless of course if the government they are under made a strong stand against the use and trade of bitcoin probably not because they are communists but because they are afraid to lose the supposed control on their economy and the people.

Inherently, communism wouldn't have a need for money at the basic level because (notionally) everyone would be able to have whatever products they need for free. Of course, that's rarely how it works out and there is no way that communism would ever actually be established. Human nature wouldn't allow for it to ever exist the way it "should". Plus, considering the complexity of today's goods and services, it's impossible to supply what would be "needed" to everyone. We'd also have considerably less innovation. China and Russia had some of their greatest technological leaps where their markets were freest.

As for OP's question about whether there are communists on this forum, I'd say probably but they're far more uncommon than they would be in the general population. Bitcoin caters more to a capitalist ideology than a communist (or socialist) mindset.