Are there any communists in this forum? Is it compatible with crypto?

[kaya11]

In our country the members of the communist party who are low ranks have been unknown. only the authorities knew some, they are in secret, because they would be put in jail if they are caught. Since this is international, I think there could be people who supports the communists, and if somehow they are well verse in cryptography I think they could come up with something that maybe could support their cause and align with their beliefs, they should be flexible and ready to adopt if they really want blockchain tech be inputted in their system.

[fullhdpixel]

In my opinion crypto maximalism (which implies libertarianism, freedom from state's control of our money) is not compatible with being a communist or even a socialist, as the implementation of these systems requires always some kind of force being applied by the state to "redistribute" wealth, but maybe someone can prove me wrong.

It all doesn't matter. Everyone wants to make money and that's the only thing that matters lol. So no matter who they are, as long as they see the opportunity for them to make money in cryptocurrency they are going to grab that opportunity. No one says no to a free money, uhhmm…. Except maybe they are stinking rich. But one thing I do know is that even Jeff Bezos is not going to say no to a free money as long as there are no strings attached to it and as it's genuine lol. So any one can make use of cryptocurrency as long as there is the possibility for them to make use of it.

[D3m1r4wanti]

it could be that they are here, this can be one of their ways to enlarge their community, crypto globally cannot be controlled by anyone, this is in line with those who have never wanted to be regulated by anyone.

[Cnut237]

I think it depends on why someone calls themselves a communist/socialist. Many left-leaning people aren't really in favour of government control of everything, really to many it's just an oppositional position under the umbrella of "opposed to market capitalism". I think for people who don't like the current system where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, they just want something fairer in place, the actual apparatus and mechanism of this alternative being less important. If the cost is government control then so be it. So I think in this way communism/socialism and bitcoin are compatible - they are both different oppositional approaches to replace the current prevailing ideology.

[el kaka22]

In my opinion crypto maximalism (which implies libertarianism, freedom from state's control of our money) is not compatible with being a communist or even a socialist, as the implementation of these systems requires always some kind of force being applied by the state to "redistribute" wealth, but maybe someone can prove me wrong.

I am not a communist because it is a very radical approach but many of my ideas are communist ideas as well, I just have couple of democratic ideas as well so I am neither 100% communist but not 100% noncommunist, I just have ideas parallel to them. That being said I love crypto and loved it since day one of me learning about it, banks are what makes capitalist world continue and don't get me wrong in communist regimes like china and Russia there are government backed banks that are even more evil than capitalist ones so banks in every single ruling regime is horrible and the worst sector in all of humanity.

I personally believe the biggest criminal of our history is bankers, not Hitler, not Stalin, not historical evil people, bankers! That is why I always supported crypto and only cashed out when I absolutely had to.

[thehun]

Dude, if you think about such things, then you have a lot of free time. In this regard, I can only envy you. I think that Marx’s communism and the communism that they tried to implement in the USSR and other countries are different things. I did not go deep into the study of the works of Marx, but I can definitely say that he did not assume complete government control over people. Capitalism in this regard is not much different from communism now. Especially in countries such as the United States where the state is closely watching your citizens, but unlike communism, it is much more liberal about people’s freedoms.

You are right in that Marx's ideology and what it later became are two different things. But it happens with every doctrine, there is a (utopic) theory and then there is an implementation in the real world. Any collective ideology requires some sort of coertion by the government, because the moment that someone wants to "opt out" and can't be convinced in a friendly way to stay he will need to be forced somehow or otherwise the whole idea collapses.

The current totalitarian government control in the US and Europe (which unfortunately is also quickly eroding personal freedom for the sake of "political correctness") has nothing to do with capitalism though, it's more about an ever-growing state apparatus that feeds on taxpayers and needs to suck out all of their blood to survive, which requires full control of all financial movements.

[acroman08]

In my opinion crypto maximalism (which implies libertarianism, freedom from state's control of our money) is not compatible with being a communist or even a socialist, as the implementation of these systems requires always some kind of force being applied by the state to "redistribute" wealth, but maybe someone can prove me wrong.

Crypto doesn't always implies libertarianism, freedom from state's control of our money, if a communist country decided to create a cryptocurrency they can make few adjustment to the system to accommodate they're own ideology. the only crypto isn't compatible with the communism is the one we are using right now.


you know the funny thing is the meaning of Crypto (which in this forum has another meaning) is some one who has a "secret allegiance to a political creed, especially communism." 

[GreenStox]

I think that you are right and cryptocurrency are incompatible in communism. Cryptocurrency gives more freedom and more suited to liberal ideology.

I do not agree with your statement, I feel more like cryptocurrency can be used for many people and all humans can use cryptocurrency for transactions wherever you want.

[thehun]

I think it depends on why someone calls themselves a communist/socialist. Many left-leaning people aren't really in favour of government control of everything, really to many it's just an oppositional position under the umbrella of "opposed to market capitalism". I think for people who don't like the current system where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, they just want something fairer in place, the actual apparatus and mechanism of this alternative being less important. If the cost is government control then so be it. So I think in this way communism/socialism and bitcoin are compatible - they are both different oppositional approaches to replace the current prevailing ideology.

I can't imagine a way of implementing a "fairer" (which is of course a very subjective concept) world without taking money from some people and giving it to others, and of course all this passing through the hands of a designated and trusted third party (the government). Since crypto can't be confiscated I see a huge conflict of interests in place.

[pushups44]

In my opinion crypto maximalism (which implies libertarianism, freedom from state's control of our money) is not compatible with being a communist or even a socialist, as the implementation of these systems requires always some kind of force being applied by the state to "redistribute" wealth, but maybe someone can prove me wrong.

While you may be right about the incompatibility of communism with bitcoin, such ideological contradictions have never prevented high-ranking communists from living in luxury or accumulating wealth. I suspect there are people all throughout the political spectrum interested in cryptocurrencies, and that those holding seemingly conflicting ideas will somehow rationalize owning bitcoin.

Given that bitcoin is not an end but rather a means to an end, perhaps it is compatible with very different ideologies. In theory, a communist country could hold it as a reserve to boost its currency or to distribute evenly, perhaps.

[thehun]

In my opinion crypto maximalism (which implies libertarianism, freedom from state's control of our money) is not compatible with being a communist or even a socialist, as the implementation of these systems requires always some kind of force being applied by the state to "redistribute" wealth, but maybe someone can prove me wrong.

While you may be right about the incompatibility of communism with bitcoin, such ideological contradictions have never prevented high-ranking communists from living in luxury or accumulating wealth. I suspect there are people all throughout the political spectrum interested in cryptocurrencies, and that those holding seemingly conflicting ideas will somehow rationalize owning bitcoin.

Given that bitcoin is not an end but rather a means to an end, perhaps it is compatible with very different ideologies. In theory, a communist country could hold it as a reserve to boost its currency or to distribute evenly, perhaps.

Of course, the elites have never applied the same rules to themselves that they applied to the masses. But I was talking here about supporters of a communist system from the bottom up, not about the actual leaders who implement the dogma (who as you said are only interested in power and don't really care if they need to apply communism or any other economical doctrine).

I find interesting what you say about holding it as a reserve though, but the moment you plan to distribute evenly it will lose all anonymity and all transactions will be traceable back to the individual, and the whole point of using a cryptocurrency will be lost.

[pushups44]

In my opinion crypto maximalism (which implies libertarianism, freedom from state's control of our money) is not compatible with being a communist or even a socialist, as the implementation of these systems requires always some kind of force being applied by the state to "redistribute" wealth, but maybe someone can prove me wrong.

While you may be right about the incompatibility of communism with bitcoin, such ideological contradictions have never prevented high-ranking communists from living in luxury or accumulating wealth. I suspect there are people all throughout the political spectrum interested in cryptocurrencies, and that those holding seemingly conflicting ideas will somehow rationalize owning bitcoin.

Given that bitcoin is not an end but rather a means to an end, perhaps it is compatible with very different ideologies. In theory, a communist country could hold it as a reserve to boost its currency or to distribute evenly, perhaps.

Of course, the elites have never applied the same rules to themselves that they applied to the masses. But I was talking here about supporters of a communist system from the bottom up, not about the actual leaders who implement the dogma (who as you said are only interested in power and don't really care if they need to apply communism or any other economical doctrine).

I find interesting what you say about holding it as a reserve though, but the moment you plan to distribute evenly it will lose all anonymity and all transactions will be traceable back to the individual, and the whole point of using a cryptocurrency will be lost.

I'm not quite sure rank-and-file communists are any less corruptible than those in power. So I imagine people of all ideologies holding bitcoin and rationalizing it.

As for a communist state using bitcoin as a reserve or to distribute evenly, the loss of anonymity would presumably be seen as a benefit to such a regime, since such regimes love to micromanage everything.

[jrrsparkles]

Why not compatile,Coomunism says about wealth distribution which might be possible with decentralized money so it is going to be perfect suit fo the communists I guess.But money is something that everyone needs so if crypto made to be a payment method the communists or athist or any other group of people will be enforced to use it.

[buwaytress]

Yeah, I think all the conventional silo'ed definitions of types of governments (which anyway hardly ever reflects the professed ideology for social organisation) don't fit anymore.

I mean, I can't tell left from right these days. Can't even call socialist countries (Vietnam and China closest to me) as where I'd find actual communists, since the guys I know from there would put capitalist America to shame.

Then we'd also need to clarify our definitions of crypto. I'm of the cloth that feels the majority of alts are very, very far removed from Bitcoin in every respect other than basic architecture. Bitcoin might not be compatible, but the rest of crypto, well. They're supremely flexible to be compatible with any ideology. We've got BNB, XRP, BCH, and now GlobalCoin to prove that.

[Theb]

Why not compatile,Coomunism says about wealth distribution which might be possible with decentralized money so it is going to be perfect suit fo the communists I guess.But money is something that everyone needs so if crypto made to be a payment method the communists or athist or any other group of people will be enforced to use it.

I guess that you don't know what you are talking about, if the government has no control on where the cryptocurrency from their citizens' wallets are going then having cryptocurrencies in their country is a bad idea. That's the point of what a decentralized currency means without any kind of regulation then communist governments literally don't have any control on their citizen's money and their government system would fail. It will be the direct opposite for what that government wants to happen.

[redsun114]

There might be some miscommunications between the crypto users about the implactions of what crypto brings into the world and that is why we have people are who totally opposite of each others in this space. For example people who are communist or at least lets say leftist that believe most of the country should be working to bring in people together and make things free and cheap and livable while some people believe countries should work towards making as much money as possible while trying to be better than other countries.

Now, the people who are leftist that believe the socialist stuff think that crypto is against banks and they give power to people so they support it, whereas rightist people support that bitcoin is a way to make money with buying low and selling high just like wall street stuff so they like it. Two VERY different type of people all loving crypto for way different reasons.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

You probably won't find many self-identifying communists here, and if there are any they'll likely keep that to themselves.  Ever notice how on this forum VERY few people give out any details about themselves?  A big part of that is because of the bounty shitposters who just write generic statements that have nothing to do with them personally, but the other part is that people like to remain anonymous.

That's my guess, anyway, and I could be completely off the mark.  China is a communist country, correct?  And we know how big crypto is there.  As for myself, I'm a devout capitalist and proud of it.  Not that I have a lot of money, because I don't.  But I believe that it's the best system in existence, certainly far better than communism.  But I don't agree that cryptocurrency is incompatible with communism. 

I doubt that most people living in communist countries really love that system, and they probably can appreciate what crypto can do for them as far as keeping their financial business away from the prying eyes of their government.  That actually holds true for many capitalists, too; maybe more.

[Indamuck]

Despite what you may think very few people that own bitcoin are libertarians.  Check out the politics & society and you will see many people support socialism.  Capitalism is a ruthless system that takes advantages of individuals and destroys the environment in the process.

[Ucy]

A president of a country has tried a communist type of cryptocurrency (called petro or something) but it seems to have failed.  Some other new projects are trying similar kind of centralized coins. We allow these ideological differences as long as they are not forced on anyone or the community.

[timerland]

I don't think that a compatible political ideologies are a necessary prerequisite for someone to use bitcoin at all.

One of bitcoin's essential features is that it is non-discriminant towards anyone, which is why it allows a lot of the unbanked to access global financial services in the first place. It doesn't matter whether you are left leaning or right leaning, all you need is a private key and address to start receiving and transacting on the network.

Thus, there is no such thing as "compatibility" with BTC, at least in my opinion. People in communist states can use BTC just as easily, if not providing more utility, than everyone else.