Who do you think will win the 2020 election?

[coins4commies]

You can't just base the whole logic on previous elections because Sanders on the ballot would change the map completely.  The people turned off by socialism are already voting for Trump and will ultimately label any democrat even biden as a socialist.  Obama was a muslim socialist in their eyes.   You have to remember that most of the left don't vote and haen't voted for a long time because no one in contention in our lifetime has been anywhere near the left. Sanders is the only one who combines populism with an economic approach that appeals to everyday people.  He can do the same thing as Trump but capitalism is the scapegoat instead of mexicans.  

That is actually the only way they can take back the senate.  2008 Obama brought out new voters like no other and changed the map.  Biden is just as bad as Trump.  He's also promising to cure cancer if you elect him because he knows no one is excited or motivated to replace Trump with a dem Trump.

[nutildah]

If it were a bet, I would put my money on Bernie. He may be old but he's really got his shit together, enough so to motivate the youngest generation of voters. There's no doubt in my mind that if Bernie would have been the democratic nominee last time around, he would be president right now.

The debates will really help sort things out. If Bernie shines there and brings a message that really resonated with people as he did last time, he's gonna squash Trump. The only reason Trump won is because there was such a bad reaction to Hillary being the dem candidate. She turned off a lot of dem voters and inspired a lot of repubs who otherwise might have sat on the couch to go out and vote against her.

Bernie will be helped by a contingency of voters coming out of the woodwork who want to ensure that we won't get Trump again. I doubt Biden fans would sit the election out if Bernie became the nominee, however, if Biden is the nominee a lot of Bernie fans will probably sit it out. Biden is too crusty and establishment-entrenched. He's a turnoff to anybody who is inspired by the thought of "real change".

As we can see with Obama and now Trump, there is no "real change," only the illusion of change. But Biden doesn't even carry the illusion.

Bernie all the way.

Bonus points if he picks Tulsi Gabbard as his running mate. Think about it:

- first Jewish president
- first female vice president

That combo has to inspire a lot of people. The people who find it uninspiring would probably vote Republican anyway.

[Mometaskers]

I think Trump might win but if he does, it's likely due to the backlash from the very obvious attempt by Silicon Valley elites and the MSM to stomp out conservatives on social media. People are stupid, they'd notice. Might be enough to push people on the center towards the right.

[Mt. Gox]

You can't just base the whole logic on previous elections because Sanders on the ballot would change the map completely.  The people turned off by socialism are already voting for Trump and will ultimately label any democrat even biden as a socialist.  Obama was a muslim socialist in their eyes.   You have to remember that most of the left don't vote and haen't voted for a long time because no one in contention in our lifetime has been anywhere near the left.

Yes, people who call Obama and Biden socialists will always vote Republican. However, centrists in swing states who would vote for a moderate democrat like Clinton or Obama might instead refuse to vote at all if Sanders was the only option.

Sanders is the only one who combines populism with an economic approach that appeals to everyday people. He can do the same thing as Trump but capitalism is the scapegoat instead of mexicans.

Left-wing populism might work in South America and Europe but I doubt it would work in the States.

The American white working class who probably stand to benefit most from socialist and social democratic policies is also well known for voting against their interests. They are the kind of people who drink beer, shoot guns, and go to church on Sundays. As Trump shows, it's easy to convince them that illegal immigrants taking their jobs are the source of their problems. Convincing them that the capitalist class structure is what failed them is going to be a much harder sell.

[Krsps]

If it were a bet, I would put my money on Bernie. He may be old but he's really got his shit together, enough so to motivate the youngest generation of voters. There's no doubt in my mind that if Bernie would have been the democratic nominee last time around, he would be president right now.

The debates will really help sort things out. If Bernie shines there and brings a message that really resonated with people as he did last time, he's gonna squash Trump. The only reason Trump won is because there was such a bad reaction to Hillary being the dem candidate. She turned off a lot of dem voters and inspired a lot of repubs who otherwise might have sat on the couch to go out and vote against her.

Bernie will be helped by a contingency of voters coming out of the woodwork who want to ensure that we won't get Trump again. I doubt Biden fans would sit the election out if Bernie became the nominee, however, if Biden is the nominee a lot of Bernie fans will probably sit it out. Biden is too crusty and establishment-entrenched. He's a turnoff to anybody who is inspired by the thought of "real change".

As we can see with Obama and now Trump, there is no "real change," only the illusion of change. But Biden doesn't even carry the illusion.

Bernie all the way.

Bonus points if he picks Tulsi Gabbard as his running mate. Think about it:

- first Jewish president
- first female vice president

That combo has to inspire a lot of people. The people who find it uninspiring would probably vote Republican anyway.

I agree Nutildah that Bernie Sanders and Tulsi  Gabbard would be a dream team, and would have the best shot for the democrats to win the election. Bernie's age doesn't detract from his appeal and in fact might help. He has a lot of energy and he's crystal clear about what he stands for. I think if anybody can reach the republican working class, he can. He's so passionate about the working class and gets people fired up with some hope and enthusiasm.

Tulsi would add the perfect touch to the dem. ticket. She' a intelligent, bright, attractive, and comes across relaxed and graceful. She doesn't appear to have any of that excessive confrontational snarkiness,  so I don't think she would be ridiculed as Palin was.  

And she hasn't been around long enough to be as polarizing, and hated as Hilary was. Plus Amerca can more likely handle a female Vice President, first.. Baby steps.

Also Tulsi, with a Samoan/European, raised in Samoa, a practicing Hindu, and an Iraq war veteran, to boot, is huge plus for a diverse cross-section of voters. Hindus and Vets that are Trump supporters might be persuaded to switch and support her. So I agree this would be an excellent democratic ticket. And I will be excited and have hope for a victory.

I'm not sure the Dems would be that daring. But I Hope so! If they wake up and smell the coffee instead of trying to play it too safe with Biden, or one of the other lackluster candidate. I don't have anything against them but I don't think they would win against Trump either.

[fatnet]

despite im a libertarian joe biden would be the best variant at these elections, cuz trump has gone mad after his protectionism-politics, and lp us is retarded already for about 5 years, while other democrats with a lot of support from the electors are braindead socialists
but the best options at this elections imo is agorism, ignorance of this elections

[Spendulus]

...Convincing them that the capitalist class structure is what failed them is going to be a much harder sell.

But why would you want/need to convince them? Are you smarter than them?

Can they not figure things out on their own?

[TECSHARE]

LOL @ the utopians still thinking Bernie has a chance. Bernie HAD a chance, but he bent over and let Killery hijack it from him without so much as a peep. As a result a large portion of his base rejected him in favor of Trump. Even most utopians know our president needs to have a spine...

[tvbcof]

Some Zio-cuck will win.  That's all we are allowed these days, and it is all one really needs to know.

Some candidates may destroy the country faster in one area and a different one faster in a different area.  I would say 'pick your poison' but in reality we peeps don't have a lot of choice anyway.

We are currently in the phase of being looted and 'wired' for demolition.  Our goal on the planet (setting up for a certain other chosen peoples to be a 'light unto the nations') is almost complete, or at least good enough.  People will wake up after the shaped charges and nano-thermite are set off.  Only then will we be able to assess what is left to salvage.

[btcforthewin]

Bernie Sanders and Biden are the most popular running aspirants from the left, do you think they can trump the Trump?

Share your opinions

I am not an US citizen, but i have watched a lot of Bernie Sanders interviews. Conclusion form them is that Bernie Sanders is the BOMB.
I hope that he will have a chance at presidency.

[tvbcof]

Bernie Sanders and Biden are the most popular running aspirants from the left, do you think they can trump the Trump?

Share your opinions

I am not an US citizen, but i have watched a lot of Bernie Sanders interviews. Conclusion form them is that Bernie Sanders is the BOMB.
I hope that he will have a chance at presidency.

Bombs leave smoking craters.  Of course there are more than a few people around the world who would welcome that eventuality.

[mayo2u]

You can't just base the whole logic on previous elections because Sanders on the ballot would change the map completely.  The people turned off by socialism are already voting for Trump and will ultimately label any democrat even biden as a socialist.  Obama was a muslim socialist in their eyes.   You have to remember that most of the left don't vote and haen't voted for a long time because no one in contention in our lifetime has been anywhere near the left.

Yes, people who call Obama and Biden socialists will always vote Republican. However, centrists in swing states who would vote for a moderate democrat like Clinton or Obama might instead refuse to vote at all if Sanders was the only option.

Sanders is the only one who combines populism with an economic approach that appeals to everyday people. He can do the same thing as Trump but capitalism is the scapegoat instead of mexicans.

Left-wing populism might work in South America and Europe but I doubt it would work in the States.

The American white working class who probably stand to benefit most from socialist and social democratic policies is also well known for voting against their interests. They are the kind of people who drink beer, shoot guns, and go to church on Sundays. As Trump shows, it's easy to convince them that illegal immigrants taking their jobs are the source of their problems. Convincing them that the capitalist class structure is what failed them is going to be a much harder sell.

Why would anyone think that Socialism is a good idea?  That's another conversation but who are you to say that they're voting against their interests?

You mean those who think that a big-one-size-fits-all-government know better? Guns are the last protection against an over-encroaching government. We're going through the American version of the Chinese Cultural Revolution's "Get Rid of the Four Olds" with ANTIFA playing the role of the Red Guard. Thankfully we're armed. If you remember correctly tens of millions died in the re-education camps.

But, you think, I'm voting against my interests. Aren't you the self-righteous know it all. And the issue with immigrants isn't that they're taking the jobs - and contrary to the swill that the MSM is feeding you there aren't jobs that Americans aren't willing to do. (We have the stats - there isn't any job category out of the 150+ categories that immigrants have over 50% of the jobs. And, from the way the media makes it sound you would think that immigrants hold 90+% of those jobs instead of the far less than 50%

However, if you actually read your Marx, Engels and Lenin you would know that the illegal immigrant population function as the industrial reserve army which keeps wages down. Even people like Bernie was arguing that only a few years ago before they left the old-fashioned communist "left" and became swept up by the "intersectional" movement.  And I hope you do know that there are about 1,500,000 LEGAL immigrants coming every year.

So, your argument about class interest and Trump's appeal falls flat.  Trump has taken a 1980s Democrat position of being against globalization; that companies should not be rewarded for finding the cheapest place for labor, with the most relaxed labor laws etc... Right now the tax code enables companies to leave and set up shop elsewhere. For the first time since NAFTA and the explosion of globalism in the 1990s we're seeing a president that is in favor of the US working man.

[TheCoinGrabber]

I don't live in the US so it's not easy to gauge but I think Trump have a greater chance. The Dems can't see to get their house together.

The push to censor social media could also have an effect. Sure they might be able to better control the narrative but these content creators had backup channels and people will find out whenever they had a video taken down.

It's starting to look like a witch hunt and that could push even centrists towards the right side.

[BADecker]

Who will win? Adam Kokesh - https://kokeshforpresident.com/.

[tvbcof]

Who will win? Adam Kokesh - https://kokeshforpresident.com/.

Like I said, we'll get some Zionist tool.  Kokesh would certainly fit the bill.

[BADecker]

Who will win? Adam Kokesh - https://kokeshforpresident.com/.

Like I said, we'll get some Zionist tool.  Kokesh would certainly fit the bill.

Right now the governors of the States meet via communications on a regular basis. They discuss and implement all kinds of things based on their communications.

It's much easier for the people of the States to control their governors than it is for any of them to control the president. In fact, the media spotlight focus is the thing that keeps the people focused on the Federal Government, so that they ignore a lot that goes on in their State.

If the Federal Government were gone (Kokesh platform), people would focus on their State governor more. Most things would become way more advantageous for the people because of the greater control they have over their governors.

[Spendulus]

You can't just base the whole logic on previous elections because Sanders....

...keep pushing for a sure loser.

[nutildah]

Of course, anything could still happen, but its encouraging for the Dems that all of their top candidates are shown as beating Trump in a Fox News poll.  



IIRC Fox News also showed Hillary beating Trump through much of the election, so make of it what you will. The only poll that was consistently correct in forecasting the election results was one done by USC and the L.A. Times, interestingly.

[Astargath]

Of course, anything could still happen, but its encouraging for the Dems that all of their top candidates are shown as beating Trump in a Fox News poll.  



IIRC Fox News also showed Hillary beating Trump through much of the election, so make of it what you will. The only poll that was consistently correct in forecasting the election results was one done by USC and the L.A. Times, interestingly.

Yeah might as well forget about polls. As you said, last time most of them were showing hillary winning by a lot. I saw even a 90% win ratio for hillary on live tv lol. I mean if they were to ask me on the street, which candidate am i going to vote for, i will probably just tell them to fuck off.

[Spendulus]

Of course, anything could still happen, but its encouraging for the Dems that all of their top candidates are shown as beating Trump in a Fox News poll.  



IIRC Fox News also showed Hillary beating Trump through much of the election, so make of it what you will. The only poll that was consistently correct in forecasting the election results was one done by USC and the L.A. Times, interestingly.

Yeah might as well forget about polls. As you said, last time most of them were showing hillary winning by a lot. I saw even a 90% win ratio for hillary on live tv lol. I mean if they were to ask me on the street, which candidate am i going to vote for, i will probably just tell them to fuck off.

The FuckOffers are a Yuge voting block.