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March 14, 2014, 11:29:47 PM
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Which programming languages do you consider future proof, Anonymint? Obviously people will have their favourites and it depends on the job, I understand that. But I'd like to know your views.

I also listened to your recordings earlier on. Were you cut off at the end? It seemed like there was more to come. But the recording ended abruptly.

Apologies I deleted those recordings from my thread because I was so mentally and physically exhausted yesterday and somewhat incoherent. Also I gave away too many details on my plans. There were two recordings and the second one continued where the first one got chopped off. There was a lot more to explain but I think it is not yet the right timing for me. I am also suffering from exhaustion and need to focus my efforts more.

I can't predict which computer language will be most important, but I am nearly certain it won't be C, C++, C#, nor Go. Because their typing systems are inadequate for the level of expression we need to do, and if you don't need strong typing then use Python instead.

It will either be (or probably both) a dynamically typed language (i.e. actually statically uni-typed) such as Python or a statically typed language that is not verbose due to its very powerful Higher Kinded typing system such as Scala (hopefully a version 3 that has a first-class union type, which is the main lacking feature of Scala which Ceylon has!) something Ceylon doesn't have. I was working on the latter for my Copute which is intended to be a better Scala and I will come back to that if I can finish my work in the Bitcoin space.

Are you a talented programmer? You can PM me.

I got into a discussion about languages at the following thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279771.msg3003835#msg3003835

Some where in that thread, I explained why I think Go sucks.

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March 14, 2014, 11:53:40 PM
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1. Picture a complete freeze in lending, and a lack of access to cash.  No one can buy cars or houses.  People with no cash on hand couldn't buy anything.  Stores can't stock shelves or pay employees.  Forget just the banks, every company from GE to local mom and pop shops would be under within a month.  Tens of millions would suddenly find themselves out of work.  You'd have mass riots in every major city in the nation.  If we were lucky, we would be living in a state of martial law.

This entire premise is based on the fact that new players will not enter the space that just appeared.

Riots? Martial Law?  You have got to be kidding.  This reeks of statist fear-mongering.

Not even the great depression brought on Martial Law.

Unfortunately the situation is very different now in some critical ways which could indeed lead to riots and martial law.

At that time the USA was still predominantly a rural and more self-sufficient society. My grandfather was walking around selling potatos during the Great Depression.

The Great Depression was caused by the network effects from the First Industrial Revolution which created mass production factories in the Second Industrial Revolution. This bankrupted the cottage industry and socialism in Europe. Which caused 76% of the world's gold to flee to the USA.

World War 1, FDR's New Deal, and WW2 were able to keep the people busy and people could survive in the semi-rural ways too. The USA was a net creditor and had much strength in industrial undercapacity and huge resources to apply to the Second Industrial Age.

Whereas, the situation we have now is that all nations are bankrupt and have irrelevance to the Knowledge Age. Thus government has no clue how to solve this debt bomb.

The only thing the socialism knows how to do at this point is tax and spend.

There is no place for capital to run to. The economy is shifting to the Knowledge Age where capital is less important than specific knowledge and small world-changing focused opportunities.

So you are going to have a very confused and pissed off society as this accelerates 2016ish.

2. And as for your ridiculous solution, is this something you actually spent more than 2 seconds to think up?  Honestly, how long do you think it would take for the government create this plan, to identify these people, and to mail them checks.  A few months?  A year?
As opposed to giving reward to the stupid and losers?  Now that was ridiculous and down right evil.

And as for your time frame, there is this tech called a database that  Dr Codd nailed for us in 1969.

As a real world example, the Australian government gave out $800 dollars to every tax payer directly into their bank account within 3 weeks.  It's not hard.
It was a perfect Friedman helicopter drop.  Minimal implementation cost and only a few dead people wasted it.

3. What money was spent?  In the end, the banks paid the money back, so what money could have been "saved" for a better use?

The opportunity costs that the US lost by keeping the dead wood alive is immeasurable.  You are currently experiencing a "long slow painful recovery" due to propping up zombie businesses.

Worse than that. Central banks have delayed for decades the correction that should have come in the 1970s so that the boomers would have learned to be programmers as the personal computer was born. Instead the debt propped up all sorts of old world economy business that is no longer relevant. So now we will have an abrupt and very painful global adjustment that may even take us into a Dark Age.

I detailed this at the following post and downwards in the thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455141.msg5637503#msg5637503

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March 14, 2014, 11:57:26 PM
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Got to agree with the old man, this is not for a regular average Joe. These kinds of things are only for the enthusiasts, hobbyists, and risk-takers!
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March 15, 2014, 12:43:57 AM
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Riots? Martial Law?  You have got to be kidding.  This reeks of statist fear-mongering.

Not even the great depression brought on Martial Law.

Unfortunately the situation is very different now in some critical ways which could indeed lead to riots and martial law.

...

The only thing the socialism knows how to do at this point is tax and spend.

There is no place for capital to run to. The economy is shifting to the Knowledge Age where capital is less important than specific knowledge and small world-changing focused opportunities.

So you are going to have a very confused and pissed off society as this accelerates 2016ish.

It is happening:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/14/russian-capital-flows/
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/14/germany-to-throw-in-prison-people-with-swiss-accounts/
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/14/is-there-a-global-bank-run/
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/13/preliminary-capital-flows-fleeing-russia-exceed-50-billion/
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/13/bank-runs-starting-in-ukraine/

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March 15, 2014, 12:56:36 AM
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Got to agree with the old man, this is not for a regular average Joe. These kinds of things are only for the enthusiasts, hobbyists, and risk-takers!

It depends - because in few years average Joe will be more "skilled" in new technologies than it is now. So Perhaps - Bitcoin is not for people who do not know how to use a smartphone and computer.
If you know how to "use" it. You can manage to buy and storage your Bitcoins.
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March 15, 2014, 01:17:59 AM
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I am a fan of crypto but Buffet has a valid point of view and has been a proven winner in the past. To me he is saying that until the bitcoin "industry" or any other system proves there is a "saving" to the user and/or receiver of funds ie transactions costs are less than other remittance forms it is not worth investing in.  Part of that saving (or benefit) has to be in confidence that front and back end parts (exchanges) are working well. To him  -  is bitcoin a better investment than say buying into paypal?. At present the answer is not at all clear so the answer is no.

Note he is also not going to be a buyer of bitcoin itself as it is far too volatile.

I agree with this assessment. But I will still use bitcoin or its variants for some things/uses but expect to still use a credit, debit and cheque book for some matters.  
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March 15, 2014, 01:43:02 AM
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Bolded emphasis is mine:

I think he's being sincere about it. He knows that governments don't like the idea of people being free to trade goods and services with an unregulated, decentralized currency. Tax evasion, piracy, and black markets are the main reasons governments are likely planning to impose serious regulations on the internet. They want precise control over the flow of information. Whatever happens it's going to suck because most of us are powerless to stop it.

Agreed except the bolded part. We are more powerful now, we just need the right technology. Stay tuned...

I am a fan of crypto but Buffet has a valid point of view and has been a proven winner in the past. To me he is saying that until the bitcoin "industry" or any other system proves there is a "saving" to the user and/or receiver of funds ie transactions costs are less than other remittance forms it is not worth investing in.

Correct. But as I pointed out in my first post upthread (which apparently flew over the head of most readers), rather than lowering costs to use it as a fiat money transfer tool, we will simply create new features (e.g. anonymity) which fiat no longer has (fiat cash is going away). And our new currency will support the virtual commerce knowledge age, which fiat won't.

Buffet is in the dinosaur old world economy. We are preparing to do euthanasia on that dying piece of shit industrial+retail+tangible economy.

And I feel like dancing to that!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyDUC1LUXSU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH8m6J3gPH0

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March 15, 2014, 01:58:29 AM
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That sounds good Smiley Like a music for this thread readers Tongue

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March 15, 2014, 02:22:09 AM
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To me he is saying that until the bitcoin "industry" or any other system proves there is a "saving" to the user and/or receiver of funds ie transactions costs are less than other remittance forms it is not worth investing in.
One could argue that you could transfer millions in fiat almost instantly and pay a couple cents in fees, whereas PayPal charges a percentage or a bank wire would take more time and cost more. But you are right about the confidence in exchanges, and PayPal collects more in fees so it would be a better investment. Unless you are in Bitcoin for speculation rather than collecting fees (by mining).

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March 15, 2014, 02:42:45 AM
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It is a derivative of Marvin Gaye's Got To Give It Up.

Cheers  Smiley

(I was born in New Orleans, the birthplace of Jazz)

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March 15, 2014, 02:59:50 AM
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he loves the current government system of economic fascism (which he can easily lobby and control).!
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March 15, 2014, 03:02:27 AM
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Bitcoin community warns "Stay away from Warren Buffet!" 

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March 15, 2014, 03:08:44 AM
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he loves the current government system of economic fascism (which he can easily lobby and control).!

+1

Bitcoin community warns "Stay away from Warren Buffet!" 

Hahaha. Right on bro!

I rather hope we feel like this about the beauty of humanity.

Miguel - Adorn.

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March 15, 2014, 03:19:25 AM
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Does the Warren Buffet have Prime Rib on Friday night?  Roll Eyes

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March 15, 2014, 03:46:25 AM
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Apologies but I've got a music itch today. I think Buffet lives a sheltered life. Doesn't he realize the world is a changin'.

I can't wait to finish programming so I can have some fun, haha!

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March 15, 2014, 05:26:34 AM
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Warren Buffet: "Stay away from Bitcoin"

.... So he can buy it all himself  Cheesy

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March 15, 2014, 08:41:42 AM
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Warren Buffet: "Stay away from Bitcoin"

.... So he can buy it all himself  Cheesy

He doesn't have to.
HE IS MINING!!!!!    Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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March 15, 2014, 08:42:41 AM
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Let's see if Warren will put his money where his mouth is.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=516374.0

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March 15, 2014, 11:24:38 AM
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Warren Buffet: "Stay away from Bitcoin"

.... So he can buy it all himself  Cheesy

He doesn't have to.
HE IS MINING!!!!!    Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Yeeees for sure Tongue He is mining and mining ... Tongue his nose with his finger.
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March 15, 2014, 11:43:34 AM
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we do not need to dismiss him, this guy is a genius regarding business investment. but afaik he is using a somewhat fundamental analysis for his investment decision for evaluating the intrinsic value of a company etc.

obviously this does not work with bitcoin,because it is somewhat complicated to estimate the intrinsic value of this technology. I would not care so much for his opinion, he probably took at most 30 minutes trying to understand what this strange digital stuff is and dismissed it due to his mechanics of evaluating investments. 
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