What's wrong with huawei?

[shinratensei_]

Huawei is not an independent entity, it is simply an arm of the Communist Chinese government. Furthermore 5G can be utilized in a plethora of ways that could undermine a nations privacy and PHYSICAL security. Essentially this conflict boils down to the fact that the USA will not tolerate the Chinese government deploying weapons systems across the world.

i would not be surprised to see that even that communist government was using a lot of the small platforms like tiktok to collect or dig a lot of personal data from the users.

In November 2018, the China Consumers Association (CCA) tested 100 apps in 10 different categories and found 59 of them retaining too much information about a user’s location. Some of these apps also collect sensitive data related to their contacts, identities, and/or phone numbers.

https://www.techinasia.com/chinese-apps-collecting-data

Here's a result that released by CCA
http://www.cca.cn/zxsd/detail/28309.html

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[squatz1]

So the U.S is doing their way again. They wanted to keep their monopoly in the market of smartphones. This company is a threat to a US company and they have to do something with it. And that is to control the market and use their power abusively to win over their competition.

Rest assured that China is doing their part regarding this as well. The USA will blame Trump because of this. Because China is the only country they choose to manufacture their products. So in this act of U.S, it is like they just wasted 50% of their profit and that is so stupid.

Nothing is wrong with Huawei
Actually, it's the trick or manipulation of President Trump to force China to give up in the trade war between the two countries.
When China does what he wants, Trump will allow Huawei to operate in America without any restriction.
It's about politics, not security, don't be naive!

US Presidents should have cracked down on Chinese violations a LONG time ago.

I would agree with you that the real reason for this ban is because of security matter but this is only pressure on China in trade negotiations and nothing more.
I think this ban will soon be abolished as soon as an agreement is reached.

Well yes of course, though I don't agree with this in the least -- though I do know that Trump will cave in order to get a deal on something like this.

The Chinese government is going to want Huawei to have their original market share -- that was in place before the ban -- so they can use their market power to probably backdoor stuff into European (and some American) networking, phones, etc. So this is going to be one of the things they want lifted to finish negotiations -- sad, but that's the truth of world trades.

Hopefully, we'll see some intellectual property protections enforced by the Chinese government after all of this -- I won't be holding my breath though.

[Daniel91]

So the U.S is doing their way again. They wanted to keep their monopoly in the market of smartphones. This company is a threat to a US company and they have to do something with it. And that is to control the market and use their power abusively to win over their competition.

Rest assured that China is doing their part regarding this as well. The USA will blame Trump because of this. Because China is the only country they choose to manufacture their products. So in this act of U.S, it is like they just wasted 50% of their profit and that is so stupid.

Nothing is wrong with Huawei
Actually, it's the trick or manipulation of President Trump to force China to give up in the trade war between the two countries.
When China does what he wants, Trump will allow Huawei to operate in America without any restriction.
It's about politics, not security, don't be naive!

US Presidents should have cracked down on Chinese violations a LONG time ago.

I would agree with you that the real reason for this ban is because of security matter but this is only pressure on China in trade negotiations and nothing more.
I think this ban will soon be abolished as soon as an agreement is reached.

Well yes of course, though I don't agree with this in the least -- though I do know that Trump will cave in order to get a deal on something like this.

The Chinese government is going to want Huawei to have their original market share -- that was in place before the ban -- so they can use their market power to probably backdoor stuff into European (and some American) networking, phones, etc. So this is going to be one of the things they want lifted to finish negotiations -- sad, but that's the truth of world trades.

Hopefully, we'll see some intellectual property protections enforced by the Chinese government after all of this -- I won't be holding my breath though.

I agree that the Chinese practice in the trade was unfair but there is no evidence until now that Huavei is any security threat.
Is there any evidence for that claim?
I don't think so.
Any way, honestly, I do not believe either in China or in America here.
Both countries simply struggle for leadership in the world and are not interested in a fair fight.

[TheCoinGrabber]

The usual Cold War politics. It sucks for the American companies that had to do the R&D though only for it to be stolen. I sure hope Huawei suffers here. Would make companies on both ends of the Pacific more careful.

Chinese companies MIGHT be forced to play fair though. Their government would still probably try to protect them but their be more cautious of possible backlash.

huawei has to emanzipate itself examplatory from its government as one of the first chinese company if it wants to be popular worldwide.

Is this even possible for a Chinese company based in China? If we think the US government have authoritarian leanings, then the Chinese even more so.

[Vlack]

How is the Wannacry virus was an exploit. All OS, software have exploits, there's really no way around it. They patched it, and the only ones affected where companies that were running old OSs and did not update their systems.

[darklus123]

Huawei has been allegedly doing dual use technology (50% spying 50% market sharing). Huawei's 5g infrastructure is also not safe from dual use technology therefore it is also being banned from other countries, such as Australia, NZ, JAPAN, Great Britain, Canada, Germany and the said uproar from India and Italy.

So the U.S is doing their way again. They wanted to keep their monopoly in the market of smartphones. This company is a threat to a US company and they have to do something with it. And that is to control the market and use their power abusively to win over their competition.

Rest assured that China is doing their part regarding this as well. The USA will blame Trump because of this. Because China is the only country they choose to manufacture their products. So in this act of U.S, it is like they just wasted 50% of their profit and that is so stupid.

You just have stated that if this is a move from US to control the market and win over their computation losing 50%  of their profit from Huawei's phone is not completely stupid. Taking control or having such dominance will lead to more revenues and that is how a certain business works.

Aside from that keeping their ecosystem safe from the chinese virus is just worth it. What is completely stupid is allowing this jerks use their devices for their gains that is completely against the national rules. Plus China has been banning US companies such as google therefore there is nothing wrong for banning this Giant Tech even for no reason.

US will surely loss some profit maybe 50% or less but one thing is for sure Huawei will lose more, in short Huawei for now loses the game.

[TECSHARE]

Plus China has been banning US companies such as google therefore there is nothing wrong for banning this Giant Tech even for no reason.

This is a very good point I have seen no one addressing. China bans 3 international companies before breakfast every day and no one bats an eye... Suddenly when Chinese companies get banned it is a "travesty" and "unfair".

[@kprodip230]

According to my knowledge, The Chinese telecommunications company Huawei is under scrutiny around the world over concerns that its close ties with the Chinese government present national security threats to the U.S., Europe and allied countries. President Donald Trump has issued an order for banning any electronic or digital technology that the Secretary of Commerce is a national security threat, a move widely viewed as Huawei. In January 2019, the U.S. Department of Justice charged the company and its chief financial officer, Meng Wangzhou, who is also the daughter of the company's founder, with fraud.

[ene1980]

I have not followed the finer details of the Huawei ban but I know the main contentions of the US Government. I remember there was a huge uproar in my country (India) a few years back about the use of imported Chinese telecom gears that were being manufactured by Huawei. There were major security flashpoints which was being raised in the security corridor and the debate was widespread. Obviously, our government had to finally let in Huawei sell those products because they were massively undercutting the price being offered by other companies (Nokia, Ericsson etc) and there was a huge lobbying pressure from the telecom operators in India to let them in.

The finer detail is that the communist government is funding all these projects under the cover of a company and countries like US will protect their companies and put an end to the dictator style in which they are gathering momentum powering these front companies to take over the entire market, India is known to have a corrupt government and they will bend when the amount of money showered is right in the form of lobbying and this move by president Trump is the wisest decision he made to protect their own companies.

[cipherer]

what’s wrong: thats a matter of perception.

On a abstract level, there is nothing wrong, because knowledge results in innovation.

[TECSHARE]

what’s wrong: thats a matter of perception.

On a abstract level, there is nothing wrong, because knowledge results in innovation.

Unfortunately Huawei is using espionage to obtain most of it's innovation.

[tvbcof]

what’s wrong: thats a matter of perception.

On a abstract level, there is nothing wrong, because knowledge results in innovation.

Unfortunately Huawei is using espionage to obtain most of it's innovation.

I've heard they buy/trade the technology from Israel who has easy and free access to everything the U.S. has.  Even that mode is becoming obsolete also as our tech companies simply move their jewels to Israel and effectively become Israeli companies.  When the Belt and Road come on-line we'll be worthless and Israel will just switch hosts.  We are so fucked.

[TECSHARE]

what’s wrong: thats a matter of perception.

On a abstract level, there is nothing wrong, because knowledge results in innovation.

Unfortunately Huawei is using espionage to obtain most of it's innovation.

I've heard they buy/trade the technology from Israel who has easy and free access to everything the U.S. has.  Even that mode is becoming obsolete also as our tech companies simply move their jewels to Israel and effectively become Israeli companies.  When the Belt and Road come on-line we'll be worthless and Israel will just switch hosts.  We are so fucked.

Regardless of what avenue they get the technology, this avenue is still not legal and falls firmly within the realm of espionage.

[cipherer]

what’s wrong: thats a matter of perception.

On a abstract level, there is nothing wrong, because knowledge results in innovation.

Unfortunately Huawei is using espionage to obtain most of it's innovation.

That is immoral indeed, but others can build on that innovation, so it leads to global innovation. If you neglect borders/constraints.

[cipherer]

I'm confused about the huawei, US government, Chinese government and US corporations stances towards the company.

To be honest, the Chinese government probably have a lot of control over Huawei but no more than the NSA have over microsoft, intel, google and facebook. Look at the wannacry virus and how quickly that spread to notice how the US government fund flaws in Microsoft's Windows OS.

The 5G debate is an interesting one too. I don't see why we actually need it for starters, 50mbps is fast enough for virtually everything you want to do (I travel between capital cities and my phone loads in an instant when connected to data, why chase milliseconds - the server on the other end is still going to be pretty slow)? Anyway, even if huawei do provide 5G networks to places like the UK, I still don't see how they'll get very much power... This could all just be part of the trade war between Trump and the rest of the world, spreading random fud in order to ensure the US government can remain one of the strongest economies and  be able to keep track of everyone. Can huawei really do worse than Google or have I missed something?

immoral = wrong

[Naida_BR]

Huawei now examines their cooperation with FedEx in a continuing situation of the Trade war between the US and China.
China also investigates whats going on with FedEx as there are indications of law violations.
In my opinion, governments just tense these situation to the business environment which is so bad for the global economy.

[Vlack]

You never really know the agenda and possible propaganda.

Russia a few weeks ago signed a deal with Huawei to develop the country's 5G infrastructure. And today Putin said that the US wants to weaken China with its sanctions on Huawei. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/06/putin-sanctions-huawei-intended-weaken-china-190620193042721.html

[netherfikk]

I don't know the whole story behind this. But I think the stubbornness on both parts is the main problem. To fix the situation they neet to start cooperating

[darklus123]

I don't know the whole story behind this. But I think the stubbornness on both parts is the main problem. To fix the situation they neet to start cooperating

That is quite hard to achieved with the current situation. Understanding both parties makes it easier for us to define why they are actually doing it.

China is trying to dominate the market and it might be very unethical but actually doesn't matter to them. They are very convinced that they are way more stronger than US and is very willing to do anything to prove it. The best way to do it is the tech market.


On the counterpart, US is also very much willing to do anything to remain on their power sets.

The main issue here is that Huawei is being used to spy the US government's invention which threatens their security. Therefore they have the full rights to take action to protect their interest. That for me is just a fair judgement. If you are going to think about how China block all the products and services from US to protect their interest as well why was that never been a world issue?

I am not a pro US but their stands towards this is just clear and just in my opinion

[KingScorpio]

So the U.S is doing their way again. They wanted to keep their monopoly in the market of smartphones. This company is a threat to a US company and they have to do something with it. And that is to control the market and use their power abusively to win over their competition.

Rest assured that China is doing their part regarding this as well. The USA will blame Trump because of this. Because China is the only country they choose to manufacture their products. So in this act of U.S, it is like they just wasted 50% of their profit and that is so stupid.

Nothing is wrong with Huawei
Actually, it's the trick or manipulation of President Trump to force China to give up in the trade war between the two countries.
When China does what he wants, Trump will allow Huawei to operate in America without any restriction.
It's about politics, not security, don't be naive!

US Presidents should have cracked down on Chinese violations a LONG time ago.

I would agree with you that the real reason for this ban is because of security matter but this is only pressure on China in trade negotiations and nothing more.
I think this ban will soon be abolished as soon as an agreement is reached.

Well yes of course, though I don't agree with this in the least -- though I do know that Trump will cave in order to get a deal on something like this.

The Chinese government is going to want Huawei to have their original market share -- that was in place before the ban -- so they can use their market power to probably backdoor stuff into European (and some American) networking, phones, etc. So this is going to be one of the things they want lifted to finish negotiations -- sad, but that's the truth of world trades.

Hopefully, we'll see some intellectual property protections enforced by the Chinese government after all of this -- I won't be holding my breath though.

I agree that the Chinese practice in the trade was unfair but there is no evidence until now that Huavei is any security threat.
Is there any evidence for that claim?
I don't think so.
Any way, honestly, I do not believe either in China or in America here.
Both countries simply struggle for leadership in the world and are not interested in a fair fight.

could become a security threat is more important to consider