Flagging accounts which are up to sale [DT member actions needed]

[bob123]

I decided to use some spare time to get some accounts - which are up to sale - flagged.


I found 2 threads claiming to sell forum accounts:

1) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5155184.0 (archived link): User 'SeW900'
2) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139800.0 (archived link): User 'Rueduciel'

Both of them contained their telegram ID, so i just went ahead and contacted both of them.


1)
The accounts provided by 'SeW900'  (or better: @TrustedAccSeller on telegram) were:

• cicizhang  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=935809)
• TanClan98 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1045919)
• zackie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99997) [Proven that the account is really up to sale and owned by the seller]
• Zedster (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=78317) [Proven that the account is really up to sale and owned by the seller]
• Ntrain2k https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=167659 [Proven that the account is really up to sale and owned by the seller]
• nonnakip https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=69046
• narousberg https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=61971 [Proven that the account is really up to sale and owned by the seller]
• pant-79 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=203430

According to him, some of them (the first and/or the second one) are already banned.
However, the remaining ones - which he wanted to sell - are not banned yet.


2)
The accounts provided by Rueduciel were:

• J Gambler (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=821674)
• fitty (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=25298) [Proven that the account is really up to sale and owned by the seller]

I asked both of them to send me (user: alice321, just created today to receive those messages) a proof that they indeed own that account.


1)
After requesting proof of ownership of cicizhang and TanClan98 from SeW900, he told me that 'the account' already is banned.
Therefore he proposed me 2 other accounts, which i can buy (zackie and Zedster).

He told me to contact @TrustedAccSeller (via telegram), which i did.


After a long conversation with him and multiple excuses i brought up to not buy an account which he had proven the ownership of (because i wanted to tag as much accounts as possible), i finally got the proof of ownership of multiple accounts and names of a few accounts without proof of ownership.

The accounts proven to be for sale and owned by him (zackie, Zedster, Ntrain2k and narousberg) should definitely receive a negative trust rating.
I am not sure about the accounts without proof (cicizhang, TanClan98, nonnakip and pant-79). I'll let some DT member decide how to handle this.




2)
Rueduciel offered me J Gambler.But he did not send me a proof for ownership because he noticed that this account already is reserved for some other buyer.
Therefore he proposed me the account fitty, which he proved that he indeed has control over this account via a PM.

But now i really wanted to also have his first account (J Gambler) to be flagged too. I asked him whether i can have this account if i additionally pay 50$ on top (not like 400$ aren't enough already).
He agreed.

Unfortunately i made a big mistake by leaving him a negative trust rating BEFORE contacting, paired with my sense of humor regarding the chosen username, which interfered my plan. He came to the conclusion that my alt (alice321) is related to me (bob123).


While it is not proven that J Gambler is really under control of him, i still believe that he indeed wants to sell this account.
I am not sure about leaving a negative trust rating on this account, therefore i will let the DT members decide how to handle this.

fitty definitely should receive a negative trust rating.


Screenshots of the chat history:

• 1) with SeW900 ('Walter' on telegram): https://i.imgur.com/7lTjZxs.jpg
  
  • with @TrustedAccSeller (telegram):
  • • part 1
    • part 2
• 2) with Rueduciel ('Mara Mae' on telegram): https://i.imgur.com/dt4l4KX.jpg

Screenshot of my received PMs: here and here.



I have sent a negative trust rating to fitty, zackie, Zedster, Ntrain2k and narousberg.
Now i need a few (at least 1) DT member to also leave a negative trust rating.

Especially for Ntrain2k, since he has 6 positive trust feedbacks.

No one should trust an account which is up to sale. Especially not Hero / Legendary ones and some with a positive trust rating.

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[Findingnemo]

Better to be in Reputation section.

All these might be hacked accounts as well,so need to check if someone claiming the ownership soon.

[AdolfinWolf]

Damn. A+ for effort. That's some hardcore detective work. Here i was thinking Legendary/Hero account sellers were a myth by now.

OP of the first link you posted has already deleted his post so I can't know If you are telling the truth or not now.

Seems like he already did so, at least for the messages where they're stating it's them selling accounts.

All these might be hacked accounts as well,so need to check if someone claiming the ownership soon.

What i was thinking. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=167659 is most definitely a hacked account.
This one also just suddenly stopped posting in russian.. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=61971;sa=showPosts;start=0
This one too, and way more obvious. Literally every post is in russian right up until somewhere in 2018, where it suddenly switches to english only. Definitely sold or maybe hacked? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=203430;sa=showPosts;start=300

Even then, i highly doubt the original owner will come back for them in most cases.

[mindrust]

OP of the first link you posted has already deleted his post so I can't know If you are telling the truth or not now.

Seems like he already did so, at least for the messages where they're stating it's them selling accounts.

My bad. Checking his evidences before I send red trust.

(let's say) I red trusted this guy for example but there is a problem.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=167659

How do I know If this isn't a game to make these accounts get red trust?

The account is suspicious as fuck with no merits, only 2 posts in 2018. But how can I be sure?

[bob123]

(let's say) I red trusted this guy for example but there is a problem.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=167659

How do I know If this isn't a game to make these accounts get red trust?

The account is suspicious as fuck with no merits, only 2 posts in 2018. But how can I be sure?

1. I was speaking to an account seller
2. He offered to sell this account
3. He proved that he indeed owns this account.


I understand this concern regarding the other accounts (where i didn't get any proof about the ownership)
I mean.. i could say "i sell account 'theymos' for 1 BTC'.. without proof you can't be sure.

But in this case i strongly believe this is evidence enough 
What exact scenario are you insecure about ? How can this be a game if the owner of the account took part in it ?

[LoyceV]

How do I know If this isn't a game to make these accounts get red trust?

The account is suspicious as fuck with no merits, only 2 posts in 2018. But how can I be sure?

Maybe bob123 can give you access to his throwaway account alice321 to verify the posts if you don't believe the screenshots.

[mindrust]

What exact scenario are you insecure about ? How can this be a game if the owner of the account took part in it ?

I am selling your account for 2btc.

This is basically what he was doing. That's the part which confused me exactly.

I guess in this situation It comes down to that If I trust YOU or not.

[TMAN]

@op can you provide some proof of the telegram convo please.

Edit. Specifically the conversation with 'SeW900'  (or better: @TrustedAccSeller

[AdolfinWolf]

I am selling your account for 2btc.

This is basically what he was doing. That's the part which confused me exactly.

I guess in this situation It comes down to that If I trust YOU or not.

Which is why bob123 asked the account seller to send them a message from said account they supposedly had for sale, right?

>>https://imgur.com/if7k5iX

Or do you not trust/want to take bob's word for it in this situation?

[bob123]

What exact scenario are you insecure about ? How can this be a game if the owner of the account took part in it ?

~snip~

I am selling your account for 2btc.

This is basically what he was doing. That's the part which confused me exactly.

I guess in this situation It comes down to that If I trust YOU or not.

Not exactly.

If a buyer now wants you to proof that you own the account and you send a message from my account.. then this is what happened.
If you just claim you sell this account without any proof of ownership, this is far away from what happened.

Maybe bob123 can give you access to his throwaway account alice321 to verify the posts if you don't believe the screenshots.

Absolutely, not a problem at all.

I can give any (trusted) member the credentials to log in and verify.

@op can you provide some proof of the telegram convo please.

Edit. Specifically the conversation with 'SeW900'  (or better: @TrustedAccSeller

As far as i understood SeW900 is not @TrustedAccSeller, but a friend of him.
SeW900 is 'Walter' and 'his friend' (the person who sells the accounts) is @TrustedAccSeller.


All conversations can be seen in the screenshots i uploaded:

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Screenshots of the chat history:

• 1) with SeW900 ('Walter' on telegram): https://i.imgur.com/7lTjZxs.jpg
  
  • with @TrustedAccSeller (telegram):
  • • part 1
    • part 2
• 2) with Rueduciel ('Mara Mae' on telegram): https://i.imgur.com/dt4l4KX.jpg

Screenshot of my received PMs: here and here.

[mindrust]

I am selling your account for 2btc.

This is basically what he was doing. That's the part which confused me exactly.

I guess in this situation It comes down to that If I trust YOU or not.

Which is why bob123 asked the account seller to send them a message from said account they supposedly had for sale, right?

>>https://imgur.com/if7k5iX

Or do you not trust/want to take bob's word for it in this situation?

Didn't see that one. Now it is all clear. Was celebrating $11k gotten a bit clumsy. 

[bob123]

I am selling your account for 2btc.

This is basically what he was doing. That's the part which confused me exactly.

I guess in this situation It comes down to that If I trust YOU or not.

Which is why bob123 asked the account seller to send them a message from said account they supposedly had for sale, right?

>>https://imgur.com/if7k5iX

Or do you not trust/want to take bob's word for it in this situation?

Didn't see that one. Now it is all clear. Was celebrating $11k gotten a bit clumsy. 

That's by the way also the reason i have [Proven that the account is really up to sale and owned by the seller] behind some of the accounts.
These are all the accounts which i received a message from after demanding a proof that they really own the account.

Those who don't have the tag behind them, have been mentioned as up to sale by the seller, but didn't give me proof of ownership in form of a message.

1)
The accounts provided by 'SeW900'  (or better: @TrustedAccSeller on telegram) were:

• cicizhang  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=935809)
• TanClan98 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1045919)
• zackie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99997) [Proven that the account is really up to sale and owned by the seller]
• Zedster (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=78317) [Proven that the account is really up to sale and owned by the seller]
• Ntrain2k https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=167659 [Proven that the account is really up to sale and owned by the seller]
• nonnakip https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=69046
• narousberg https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=61971 [Proven that the account is really up to sale and owned by the seller]
• pant-79 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=203430

According to him, some of them (the first and/or the second one) are already banned.
However, the remaining ones - which he wanted to sell - are not banned yet.


2)
The accounts provided by Rueduciel were:

• J Gambler (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=821674)
• fitty (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=25298) [Proven that the account is really up to sale and owned by the seller]

[otrkid1970]

selling accounts is not a crime nor is it a case for the dickheads of the bitcointalk police DT users.

[mindrust]

selling accounts is not a crime nor is it a case for the dickheads of the bitcointalk police DT users.

It is not a crime.

You'll just have to live with a red trust rating shining on your forehead.

It shouldn't be a problem for anybody to start as a newbie. Why would anyone want to buy a green trust legendary account anyway? There is only one explanation which makes sense: to Scam people.

[Quickseller]

zackie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99997) [Proven that the account is really up to sale and owned by the seller]
Zedster (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=78317) [Proven that the account is really up to sale and owned by the seller]
Ntrain2k https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=167659 [Proven that the account is really up to sale and owned by the seller]
narousberg https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=61971 [Proven that the account is really up to sale and owned by the seller]

These are the only ones that are proven to be up for sale, but only to the extent the PMs can be proven.

I do think it is unethical to tell him that you will trade with him after he provides information, and after receiving information, you do not trade with him "prove the second, then we can do it", and to say that you will pay for something, and subsequently not pay "I pay 350 if it's good" "I pay 550 for green trust legendary ok". It also looks like you entered into a contract with the person, but it does not appear you followed through: "Ok send me message from this acc and we have deal", responding to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=167659 that is a "green trust hero member" to which you agreed to pay 550 for. I don't see evidence you paid him.

If this person were to open up a written contract flag against you, it would be valid.

[otrkid1970]

selling accounts is not a crime nor is it a case for the dickheads of the bitcointalk police DT users.

It is not a crime.

You'll just have to live with a red trust rating shining on your forehead.

Are you threatening me with a baseless accusation trust rating?

[mindrust]

selling accounts is not a crime nor is it a case for the dickheads of the bitcointalk police DT users.

It is not a crime.

You'll just have to live with a red trust rating shining on your forehead.

Are you threatening me with a baseless accusation trust rating?

How did you get that idea?

I don't make threats. I do it right away.

[otrkid1970]

selling accounts is not a crime nor is it a case for the dickheads of the bitcointalk police DT users.

It is not a crime.

You'll just have to live with a red trust rating shining on your forehead.

Are you threatening me with a baseless accusation trust rating?

How did you get that idea?

You ever come across the notion that people want to buy an established account to join a sig campaign instead of devoting time and bullshit establishing an account?  you fuckers throwing rocks live in glass houses.

[mindrust]

selling accounts is not a crime nor is it a case for the dickheads of the bitcointalk police DT users.

It is not a crime.

You'll just have to live with a red trust rating shining on your forehead.

Are you threatening me with a baseless accusation trust rating?

How did you get that idea?

You ever come across the notion that people want to buy an established account to join a sig campaign instead of devoting time and bullshit establishing an account?  you fuckers throwing rocks live in glass houses.

Signature campaigns don't want bought accounts farmed by one person. (they clearly state that you'll get banned if you were found to multiaccount spamming) They want real individuals. So your argument is invalid.

[otrkid1970]

selling accounts is not a crime nor is it a case for the dickheads of the bitcointalk police DT users.

It is not a crime.

You'll just have to live with a red trust rating shining on your forehead.

Are you threatening me with a baseless accusation trust rating?

How did you get that idea?

You ever come across the notion that people want to buy an established account to join a sig campaign instead of devoting time and bullshit establishing an account?  you fuckers throwing rocks live in glass houses.

Signature campaigns don't want bought accounts farmed by one person. (they clearly state that you'll get banned if you were found to multiaccount spamming) They want real individuals. So your argument is invalid.

you cant tell if an account is bought.  you're an idiot.