Who else agrees that self moderation of ANN threads shouldn't be possible?

[BLACKCOIN883]

Who else agrees that self moderation of ANN threads shouldn't be possible?

A lot of them are scams, and of course they'll delete your post when you call them out. Example: XTRABYTES

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[SaltySpitoon]

If it quacks like a duck... stay away from the project. Unless its a project about ducks.

The forum cant differentiate between a thread with [ANN] in the title and one without. It can tell the difference between boards, and designate which self moderated threads are allowed in.

If a project looks sketchy stay away. If a self moderated ANN thread is a warning sign to you, then assume the project is dangerous and move forward cautiously if you like.

[Harlot]

I really don't see anything bad with this but for one thing, some posters opt out on having a self-moderated ANN thread because a lot of members are also posting false accusation in their thread which greatly damage the reputation of the project and the only way to delete these post is to having a self-moderated thread. If we applied this then even people who have been receiving false accusations are affected.

[Welsh]

You always have the power to create a non moderated thread discussing this in the appropriate section. I say discussing, because I'm not suggesting you to create your own announcement thread. Although, if you want to create a alternative discussion thread which is unmoderated about a certain thread then you can do that. I'm sure if you think its suspicious that a thread is self moderated then plenty of others will too, and would appreciate the alternative thread to discuss freely.

[Csmiami]

A lot of newbie accounts are also scamm accounts, but not for that do we prohibit them from posting anywhere. (this was discussed last week or so on this board).

Self-moderated threads (if done right), helps reduce spam by a lot (Lending section for example), or works nice if you are on a big project, want to receive some feedback but then clean the comments to make a nice looking post/thread.

As everything on the forum, there will be some individuals who try to benefit from it, but many shouldn't pay the price for a few's mistake

So having said that,

Who else agrees that self moderation of ANN threads shouldn't be possible?

Pretty much no one

[S_Therapist]

Just think the opposite. A good project has come up but some people want to destroy it, they can easily spread fud in that case and you can't prevent that. Both has advantages and disadvantages.

[Joel_Jantsen]

Just think the opposite. A good project has come up but some people want to destroy it, they can easily spread fud in that case and you can't prevent that. Both has advantages and disadvantages.

Criticizing is okay. Accounts spreading FUD or hijacking threads can be best sorted out by reporting a post to the moderator.

Like SaltySpitton said, the forum doesn't have an automated way of checking if a particular thread is an ANN unless it is in the dedicated board. If I come across a self-moderated ANN thread, I assume the service is shady and move on. In fact, self-moderated threads from newbie accounts often force me to investigate more about the project.

[Quickseller]

The forum cant differentiate between a thread with [ANN] in the title and one without. It can tell the difference between boards, and designate which self moderated threads are allowed in.

There is an entire subforum designated for altcoin ANN threads, and another for service ANN threads. If an ANN thread is posted outside of these two subs, they should be moved by a moderator. If there is a thread that is not an ANN thread (except an “unmoderated” thread), it should be moved outside of these two subs.

If the OPs suggestion were to get implemented, it seems a simple solution would be to prevent self moderated threads in either of these subs.

[Joel_Jantsen]

If the OPs suggestion were to get implemented, it seems a simple solution would be to prevent self moderated threads in either of these subs.

Even if it works out, won't be an ideal solution. If I had to start my own service/project, I'd want my thread to be self-moderated to avoid low quality, redundant, not-constructive comments. If someone thinks that I must have a shady project can always create a new thread and I'll be happy to respond there.

Having the restriction for newbie accounts is fine but not suitable for higher ranks.

[SaltySpitoon]

There is an entire subforum designated for altcoin ANN threads, and another for service ANN threads. If an ANN thread is posted outside of these two subs, they should be moved by a moderator. If there is a thread that is not an ANN thread (except an “unmoderated” thread), it should be moved outside of these two subs.

If the OPs suggestion were to get implemented, it seems a simple solution would be to prevent self moderated threads in either of these subs.

I stand corrected. Last time I checked in depth people spammed their announcement threads everywhere they could to try to stay at the top of any page they could, including Altcoin Discussion. It looks like the section is cleaned up quite a bit, with ANN threads actually in the ANN section, so that would work reasonably well.

[Quickseller]

If the OPs suggestion were to get implemented, it seems a simple solution would be to prevent self moderated threads in either of these subs.

Even if it works out, won't be an ideal solution. If I had to start my own service/project, I'd want my thread to be self-moderated to avoid low quality, redundant, not-constructive comments. If someone thinks that I must have a shady project can always create a new thread and I'll be happy to respond there.

Having the restriction for newbie accounts is fine but not suitable for higher ranks.

If someone posts those types of posts, you can report the post as being low content, and it should be removed by a moderator. Perhaps a solution might be to disable the OP topics from being able to delete comments, but allow the OP to prevent certain ranks and users from being able to post in a topic.

There is an entire subforum designated for altcoin ANN threads, and another for service ANN threads. If an ANN thread is posted outside of these two subs, they should be moved by a moderator. If there is a thread that is not an ANN thread (except an “unmoderated” thread), it should be moved outside of these two subs.

If the OPs suggestion were to get implemented, it seems a simple solution would be to prevent self moderated threads in either of these subs.

I stand corrected. Last time I checked in depth people spammed their announcement threads everywhere they could to try to stay at the top of any page they could, including Altcoin Discussion. It looks like the section is cleaned up quite a bit, with ANN threads actually in the ANN section, so that would work reasonably well.

mprep has done a good job with the altcoin section, although there is a lot of activity there for one or two people to handle. I am fairly confident he uses one or more scripts to help him with his job. Possibly including one that automatically finds ANN threads posted outside of the appropriate subs.

[Cameron0208]

Who else agrees that self moderation of ANN threads shouldn't be possible?

A lot of them are scams, and of course they'll delete your post when you call them out. Example: XTRABYTES

Very much agree! Xtrabytes is closing in on 1000 deletions in just over a month! Deleting spam is one thing, but they are deleting genuine concerns, criticisms, and questions, as well as suppressing information, while also shaping the dialogue to make it look like they’re only deleting spam from trolls.

This should NOT be allowed. If Bitcointalk gave two shits about its users and stopping these scams, they would do something. But they don’t, so they won’t.

[libert19]

I don't agree. Self moderated threads have less shit posts and viewer can go through without seeing much BS, usually global moderators have more area to cover so they sometimes let go of some posts.

[eternalgloom]

Who else agrees that self moderation of ANN threads shouldn't be possible?

A lot of them are scams, and of course they'll delete your post when you call them out. Example: XTRABYTES

Very much agree! Xtrabytes is closing in on 1000 deletions in just over a month! Deleting spam is one thing, but they are deleting genuine concerns, criticisms, and questions, as well as suppressing information, while also shaping the dialogue to make it look like they’re only deleting spam from trolls.

This should NOT be allowed. If Bitcointalk gave two shits about its users and stopping these scams, they would do something. But they don’t, so they won’t.

So what? People can still post in the Scam Accusations boards.
OPs should always have the right to clean up their thread, even if there are scam accusations against that service. Sure, it can be used to censor people, but you yourself have the right not to participate when an ANN thread is self-moderated.

Ugh, Bitcointalk has a hands-off approach to scams and I personally like it that way.
Who would determine what's a scam and what isn't? Do you know how much time and effort it would take to equally review every service that's offered on the forum.

It's really easy to avoid getting scammed, you know. Use escrow and don't give away your time for valueless tokens (referring to all these scam bounties).

I personally prefer having the freedom to participate with whatever I want, it's not the forum's job to decide what's good for me and what's not. (unless we're talking about something that could make the forum liable)

[Sutters Mill]

I usually don't like self moderated threads but I think they should have the right to mod their own as they want. The mods here seem to let a lot of trolling and fud happen so thread operators should be allowed to moderate their threads without having to rely on the mods to do it for them. The negative of course is that they can use it to silence people or eradicate suspicions but if that happens  and they're clearly abusing the power I think people should creatye their own thread to discuss their behavior and debate whether they're being shady or not.

[doucie1]

Cameron well knows why the Xtrabytes thread has deleted over 1000 posts. It's because one person has posted over 800 times - the same post over and over again.
This should not be allowed.

[Coyster]

Who else agrees that self moderation of ANN threads shouldn't be possible?
A lot of them are scams, and of course they'll delete your post when you call them out

Some users also come up with false(unsure)scam accusations, with no prove of default on the part of the project and a this stage it's the duty of the OP to rid the thread of such posts.

In my opinion if someone is totally sure of a project being fraudulent or a scam, rather than even trying to post on the said thread, it's wiser to open a new thread in the scam accusation board, that way it's your thread and the discussion on your own part will make more sense.

[Btczhageh]

Self moderated threads are good and bad but we shouldn't ban the use because of some individual who are not sure of what they do in this forum. Many are times, I saw some threads which are not moderated and some enemies of that project will take it upon themselves to shoot in bad arrows so, if it was self-defense thread that wouldn't have happened. I will keep supporting the self-defense threads because of my personal experience as a bounty Hunter I am.
We  shouldn't over estimate the powers internet witches around the cryptocurrency world where ones enemies will fight a project under the name of false pretext.

[Welsh]

Self moderated threads are good and bad but we shouldn't ban the use because of some individual who are not sure of what they do in this forum. Many are times, I saw some threads which are not moderated and some enemies of that project will take it upon themselves to shoot in bad arrows so, if it was self-defense thread that wouldn't have happened. I will keep supporting the self-defense threads because of my personal experience as a bounty Hunter I am.
We  shouldn't over estimate the powers internet witches around the cryptocurrency world where ones enemies will fight a project under the name of false pretext.

This is a good point. There are several announcements which are similar, and that comes with competition which usually means that they have trollfest or accusations directed at them. This likely goes on within their Telegram and other communication methods more due to the fact that if they bump their topic will are likely helping them more than they're hurting them though.

[friends1980]

Interestingly, I suggested the exact opposite a few months ago. I think it would be a good thing and an anti-spam measure, if ANN mods were to be responsible for keeping their threads spam-free.

In that case, there would be only two possibilities if you saw a self-moderated ANN thread:
1/ absolutely horrible scamming mod
2/ absolutely brilliant spam-cleaning mod.