How to know who is Satoshi Nakamoto or the Bitcoin Cinderella shoe.

[TheWolf666]

With all these people pretending that they are Satoshi Nakamoto, here is a sure way to prove who is and who is not Satoshi.

If you check the blockchain and the first blocks mined, you will see that every block mined was on a different address. Then when reaching 1000 or 2000 total all the address where sending the 50 BTC mined to a single new address collecting the money.
After that the money was split in two. For example 1000 sent to 2x addresses 500 BTC, then sent to 2x addresses 250 each until back to 50 BTC.

This was probably done by Satoshi to test the transactions. But also it is a great way to obfuscate things. All probably belong to the same wallet who is looking complicated from outside is very simple for the one who did it.

What does it means?

Satoshi made a special version of the wallet, just for himself that would automate these transactions. This wallet is having all the anteriority of these using thousands of addresses.

Whoever is Satoshi, have this wallet. Just show us the transactions in this specific wallet. Empty it, and give the password so that everyone can see the work done at the very beginning.

That's the Cinderella shoe. If Craig or anyone does not know about this, and does not have the wallet, they are not Satoshi.

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[stompix]

If you check the blockchain and the first blocks mined, you will see that every block mined was on a different address. Then when reaching 1000 or 2000 total all the address where sending the 50 BTC mined to a single new address collecting the money.
After that the money was split in two. For example 1000 sent to 2x addresses 500 BTC, then sent to 2x addresses 250 each until back to 50 BTC.

What are you talking about?

This is block 2 and 3

These are the addresses which received the mining reward:
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1HLoD9E4SDFFPDiYfNYnkBLQ85Y51J3Zb1
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1FvzCLoTPGANNjWoUo6jUGuAG3wg1w4YjR

None of the funds were ever moved.

[kingpin4321]

May be satoshi nakamoto is not he real name a good majority of us here do no use our real names to register membership here so it would not sound amazing if you find out that his real name is not satoshi

[aplistir]

If you check the blockchain and the first blocks mined, you will see that every block mined was on a different address. Then when reaching 1000 or 2000 total all the address where sending the 50 BTC mined to a single new address collecting the money.
After that the money was split in two. For example 1000 sent to 2x addresses 500 BTC, then sent to 2x addresses 250 each until back to 50 BTC.

What are you talking about?
None of the funds were ever moved.

I was thinking the same. None of Satoshi's coins have ever been moved and every block reward is in a different address.

Here is a link about satoshi pattern, the best attempt of tracking Satoshis coins.
https://bitslog.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/

[Austin_Lord]

I have  no idea that where we seach Satoshi?
Well why want you know that who is satoshi and where is satoshi?

[hatshepsut93]

Satoshi made a special version of the wallet, just for himself that would automate these transactions. This wallet is having all the anteriority of these using thousands of addresses.

Whoever is Satoshi, have this wallet. Just show us the transactions in this specific wallet. Empty it, and give the password so that everyone can see the work done at the very beginning.

That's the Cinderella shoe. If craig or anyone does not know about this, and does not have the wallet, they are not Satoshi.

Seems like you are new to Bitcoin and cryptography, so here's a thing - in Bitcoin private keys are used to sign transactions,  but those keys can also be used to sign any other data, and most Bitcoin wallets support this function. So, there's absolutely no need to move any coins and publish any wallet with passwords and private keys - a simple cryptographic signature is enough to prove ownership of a private key corresponding to a public key, in this case - Bitcoin address.

[TheWolf666]

The point is not to find who is Satoshi, but who is NOT.

The investigators in the case of Craig Wright should check the 1.1 Millions bitcoin wallet and see if this wallet was the one who did all these manipulations...
At least Satoshi, has this wallet and should be able to demonstrate who he is, by showing this, even if he lost the private key which is a possibility.

[TheWolf666]

Here is where to start: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1N4PvDjsKsUHhSYxMf8MHhzgk4f3T5cHR3
This is Satoshi sending 2000 BTC to Hal Finney.

Now trace back from where these 2000 BTC are coming from.
Step one 2000 BTC hold here: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1N4PvDjsKsUHhSYxMf8MHhzgk4f3T5cHR3
Step 2: 2000 BTC hold here: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/128BsiE4sQDWMNMkDsUxRLMAasJWdXZXdP
Step 3: 3500 BTC hold here: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1PZwWEJe5YGx9bzJbEpgXiWLuWnyD2rjLA
Step 4: 1000 BTC (from the 3500 in step 3) collected here: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/17afxUJouat3fkaaQ9tZrDThxdkXGL4WrM
Step 5. check all these address, some are direct mining 50 BTC, others are more collected 50 BTC
1Jy5dQmet2xg1Pk5VYZE2hSWu8StK6aQWZ
14nELEgJL95NU3BKi5D734ysFuVUCEjLWg
1AHJbmcNpaxrgwDc12XFXnUSfpED5ksSiH
17LDnEt8ggVjH43QdjhZ4FhkXC9zXgk48b
1HQkgckTBytqaGmwyQgqTU5aptuZ7qFiyp
1CbDYwNDp5aA5FVmCf2Z95kjkMCgoBr2X8
1GSAXEQEW7st7prSuz89x6DjKEcLUFSDCJ
1B2EqNLFj7hoSWJupZLQrGMd2unu8doTjc
1AoWi2xSyQoWuxrYrdr1PPVi5PxA8caNGC
1DCcZbNtttndh6tvoK8xRTB5BUMdfL51aL
1BSgXqBzNHFfdqRHBPzLD23CFXpzhqpRrb
1NdLg6FNKyFXyRfmFssW4DSgaWRzscYXUg
14DFY3RsdrJ5U6CCgatYssM2gKAiyBm4mE
18QQUbHJhyzFDVKhEHPhHFZF3qdBmp74eB
1ADTuxdhYePCW9PEvkCKnib6jmbg6mKXdz
19CkFSEiHB5UVah3fvZD17qk48m82TfAp8
1BoBh9JKnHVj1JAy2GS4LeA3yHyN6ra2qE
12oRSUW6UVYNCUk8yyrFvbpbJw7uia31sA
13evwJtdkEp2wcmv5xtqE7mF6pr5bFrbxw
1DdhxvYwVrnUP4xcWaquUnmZ177HVeUT2L

This is for the collection part. It is not made manually or the guy was a freak. I think that he was faking traffic and transactions for testing purpose.
The real Satoshi knows how and why, and has the wallet with all these adresses.

If you check the blockchain and the first blocks mined, you will see that every block mined was on a different address. Then when reaching 1000 or 2000 total all the address where sending the 50 BTC mined to a single new address collecting the money.
After that the money was split in two. For example 1000 sent to 2x addresses 500 BTC, then sent to 2x addresses 250 each until back to 50 BTC.

What are you talking about?

This is block 2 and 3

These are the addresses which received the mining reward:
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1HLoD9E4SDFFPDiYfNYnkBLQ85Y51J3Zb1
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1FvzCLoTPGANNjWoUo6jUGuAG3wg1w4YjR

None of the funds were ever moved.

[dothebeats]

Do your own investigation... find the first transaction from Satoshi to Hal Findley, it is documented in blockchain.io
Satoshi sent 1000 Btc to Hal.

Are you referring to this transaction? This is the first time the bitcoin network was used, ever, in like, sending bitcoins between two people. After that, the rest seems to be vague exchanges from unknown people. Where did the 1000 btc came from?

Trace back to see where these 1000 were coming from... they come from multiple addresses that had mined 50 BTC each... sent to an address that received 2000 BTC 1000 of it was sent to Hal Findley Finney, the rest was spread the way I described /2 /2 and more BTC sent to other address.

I will find the exact hashes later when I have the time, it is complex. I doubt that this was done manually, too complicated. I think he was doing this with a script.

Uhhh, I might be missing out a lot on what you're saying, but apparently the first few transactions on the network are just block rewards and a few test transactions, none of which amounts to 1000, ever. The first true network activity began months after the first transaction was made.

The point is not to find who is Satoshi, but who is NOT.

Which will be a valiant yet a dire effort, considering that one will already know who is fake and who is not based on how they know about bitcoin and how they interact with people.

[TheWolf666]

Check my post just before, I give the addresses of the transactions. It is interesting to see how he was collecting the BTC from the mining and then sent this to Hal Finney.
This was not the first transaction in the blockchain, but the first between to 2 real different persons. We can assume that all the transactions before (and there are a lot) are Satoshi kitchen sink...

Do your own investigation... find the first transaction from Satoshi to Hal Findley, it is documented in blockchain.io
Satoshi sent 1000 Btc to Hal.

Are you referring to this transaction? This is the first time the bitcoin network was used, ever, in like, sending bitcoins between two people. After that, the rest seems to be vague exchanges from unknown people. Where did the 1000 btc came from?

Trace back to see where these 1000 were coming from... they come from multiple addresses that had mined 50 BTC each... sent to an address that received 2000 BTC 1000 of it was sent to Hal Findley Finney, the rest was spread the way I described /2 /2 and more BTC sent to other address.

I will find the exact hashes later when I have the time, it is complex. I doubt that this was done manually, too complicated. I think he was doing this with a script.

Uhhh, I might be missing out a lot on what you're saying, but apparently the first few transactions on the network are just block rewards and a few test transactions, none of which amounts to 1000, ever. The first true network activity began months after the first transaction was made.

The point is not to find who is Satoshi, but who is NOT.

Which will be a valiant yet a dire effort, considering that one will already know who is fake and who is not based on how they know about bitcoin and how they interact with people.

[Pursuer]

But also it is a great way to obfuscate things. All probably belong to the same wallet who is looking complicated from outside is very simple for the one who did it.

but in early days (like the first month) there was barely anyone even aware of bitcoin let alone mining it so we can be sure that most if not all of the blocks of those days were mined by Satoshi so it can't be for obfuscation.

Satoshi made a special version of the wallet, just for himself that would automate these transactions. This wallet is having all the anteriority of these using thousands of addresses.

there is no way to know for sure if this was automated.

Whoever is Satoshi, have this wallet. Just show us the transactions in this specific wallet. Empty it, and give the password so that everyone can see the work done at the very beginning.

in other words you need a digital signature from those keys! LOL
otherwise creating a code snipped creating transactions and sending them out and then storing them in a wallet.dat file only takes 5 minutes and I can do it right now if you like.

[TheWolf666]

Not that easy... you need to make at least 2 wallets, separate the addresses from the one who send, and the one who receive... That's sounds like a very hard to do.

But when you trace these transactions, he never use 2 times the same address. That's thousands of addresses. Doing this manually would be complicated.

But also it is a great way to obfuscate things. All probably belong to the same wallet who is looking complicated from outside is very simple for the one who did it.

but in early days (like the first month) there was barely anyone even aware of bitcoin let alone mining it so we can be sure that most if not all of the blocks of those days were mined by Satoshi so it can't be for obfuscation.

Satoshi made a special version of the wallet, just for himself that would automate these transactions. This wallet is having all the anteriority of these using thousands of addresses.

there is no way to know for sure if this was automated.

Whoever is Satoshi, have this wallet. Just show us the transactions in this specific wallet. Empty it, and give the password so that everyone can see the work done at the very beginning.

in other words you need a digital signature from those keys! LOL
otherwise creating a code snipped creating transactions and sending them out and then storing them in a wallet.dat file only takes 5 minutes and I can do it right now if you like.

[stompix]

Here is where to start: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1N4PvDjsKsUHhSYxMf8MHhzgk4f3T5cHR3
This is Satoshi sending 2000 BTC to Hal Finney.

Now trace back from where these 2000 BTC are coming from.
Step one 2000 BTC hold here: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1N4PvDjsKsUHhSYxMf8MHhzgk4f3T5cHR3
Step 2: 2000 BTC hold here: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/128BsiE4sQDWMNMkDsUxRLMAasJWdXZXdP
Step 3: 3500 BTC hold here: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1PZwWEJe5YGx9bzJbEpgXiWLuWnyD2rjLA
Step 4: 1000 BTC (from the 3500 in step 3) collected here:

Lols, you're making a mess of everything

First, the coins that Satoshi sent to Hal are these
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/f4184fc596403b9d638783cf57adfe4c75c605f6356fbc91338530e9831e9e16

Second, the transaction you quote as being from Satoshi to Hal
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1N4PvDjsKsUHhSYxMf8MHhzgk4f3T5cHR3

The timestamp is  

2011-06-15 00:12:31

.

Third, one of the funding addresses for those 2000 coins  is
12oRSUW6UVYNCUk8yyrFvbpbJw7uia31sA , it contains reward from block 528

That block was mined by Hal, not Satoshi

[TheWolf666]

Thanks about these info.
This thread is very interesting, thanks for the link.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507458.0;all

According to the precedent thread, the first transaction from Satoshi to Hal is block #78 https://www.blockchain.com/btc/block/00000000a2886c95400fd3b263b9920af80b118b28fee5d2a162a18e4d9d8b2f
If true then this address is from Hal too... very interesting.
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1AiBYt8XbsdyPAELFpcSwRpu45eb2bArMf

Also here is the post from Hal Finney about the first transaction, historical: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155054.msg1643833#msg1643833

Here is where to start: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1N4PvDjsKsUHhSYxMf8MHhzgk4f3T5cHR3
This is Satoshi sending 2000 BTC to Hal Finney.

Now trace back from where these 2000 BTC are coming from.
Step one 2000 BTC hold here: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1N4PvDjsKsUHhSYxMf8MHhzgk4f3T5cHR3
Step 2: 2000 BTC hold here: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/128BsiE4sQDWMNMkDsUxRLMAasJWdXZXdP
Step 3: 3500 BTC hold here: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1PZwWEJe5YGx9bzJbEpgXiWLuWnyD2rjLA
Step 4: 1000 BTC (from the 3500 in step 3) collected here:

Lols, you're making a mess of everything

First, the coins that Satoshi sent to Hal are these
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/f4184fc596403b9d638783cf57adfe4c75c605f6356fbc91338530e9831e9e16

Second, the transaction you quote as being from Satoshi to Hal
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1N4PvDjsKsUHhSYxMf8MHhzgk4f3T5cHR3

The timestamp is  

2011-06-15 00:12:31

.

Third, one of the funding addresses for those 2000 coins  is
12oRSUW6UVYNCUk8yyrFvbpbJw7uia31sA , it contains reward from block 528

That block was mined by Hal, not Satoshi

[Cnut237]

all these people pretending that they are Satoshi Nakamoto

I like the fact that Satoshi is anonymous and hasn't been traced. It's kind of part of the point of bitcoin that everything is decentralised without some overarching single authority figure. Anyone who claims to be Satoshi really demonstrates that they are not purely through the act of making the claim itself.

An aim of Satoshi was decentralisation, so in a way Satoshi himself is decentralised as all of us who believe in the original vision hold a fragment of it from our own personal perspectives. In a way we are all little Satoshis.

I am Spartacus! I mean Satoshi.

[Bitcoinqubit]

Bitcoin was not created by one man. It was a team of highly skilled cryptographers with punk marketers which make it viral with almost zero spend on ads, only uneducated dumb people will think its one person behind this hhhh.


bit coin idea its not new tech its just mixing tech that already exist and created from peer to peer file sharing, because pper to peer file sharing was created way before bitcoin and the reason for peer to peer file sharing(decentralized tech) because central file sharing was pretty fast shut down by governments, because movies,mp3,softwares and other info was hosted on few main servers and its easy to shut down them, so people created peer to peer file sharing and each computer is server that download and upload info and now the governmnets need to shut down more then 500m computers and its impossible.

Peer-to-peer file sharing is the distribution and sharing of digital media using peer-to-peer (P2P) networking technology. P2P file sharing allows users to access media files such as books, music, movies, and games using a P2P software program that searches for other connected computers on a P2P network to locate the desired content.[1] The nodes (peers) of such networks are end-user computers and distribution servers (not required).

Peer-to-peer file sharing technology has evolved through several design stages from the early networks like Napster, which popularized the technology, to the later models like the BitTorrent protocol.

now BITCOIN ** come from this idea just with twist peer to peer money, in order to make this happen they created block--chain between peer a and peer b

peer -- blockchain -- peer

Edward Snowden was speak about peer to peer can make financial freedom way before bitcoin come and few others hhhhh its problem when people greedy and dumb as fuck and the logic function inside the head bro=ke until age 60-70 hit and game over for them....

the founder of ethereum in small conference in israel answer to somebody that ask from where all this info and vitalik answer was , people that know to organize them self over the web.

and its cannot created by fucky agents whatever country and while they spying each other like dumb kids on shitty salary..and governments and banks for sure hhhhh not behind this because peer to peer come from activist and kill central p0wer very simple...

Edward Snowden comes out as early Bitcoin adopter "The servers that I used [when whistleblowing against the NSA] were paid for using Bitcoin."
2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2463&v=PVN13ad3UUk 41:00

so most of the people uneducated and the logic function inside the head dont work its real and they think its one person hhhhh

after short time bitcoin explode cicada start search people in the same knowledge and skills and other things ...fact few countries also tried to copy past cicada but get no results like to make it viral and interesting and other things like to flying from country to country under different names...

[Bitcoinqubit]

With all these people pretending that they are Satoshi Nakamoto, here is a sure way to prove who is and who is not Satoshi.

If you check the blockchain and the first blocks mined, you will see that every block mined was on a different address. Then when reaching 1000 or 2000 total all the address where sending the 50 BTC mined to a single new address collecting the money.
After that the money was split in two. For example 1000 sent to 2x addresses 500 BTC, then sent to 2x addresses 250 each until back to 50 BTC.

This was probably done by Satoshi to test the transactions. But also it is a great way to obfuscate things. All probably belong to the same wallet who is looking complicated from outside is very simple for the one who did it.

What does it means?

Satoshi made a special version of the wallet, just for himself that would automate these transactions. This wallet is having all the anteriority of these using thousands of addresses.

Whoever is Satoshi, have this wallet. Just show us the transactions in this specific wallet. Empty it, and give the password so that everyone can see the work done at the very beginning.

That's the Cinderella shoe. If Craig or anyone does not know about this, and does not have the wallet, they are not Satoshi.

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dumb people ** like you over all the place ,,, when simple search cn lead to few people that sure was behind this project to others its impossible...

[TheWolf666]

More info about the "mess"... you did not research and you assume too quickly.

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1FBgZPF9ceV7JFDgvWzwJdPjdn6VFJqc5s

These are the transactions that were collecting the money to send to Hal Finney. Total 2000 BTC in 2011, sent from Satoshi. Here is the proof of it.

Check how the 400 BTC were collected you will find some very old block rewards.
For example:
Block 432: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/a94ce7bdfc2204c25fbeae8a66a82d6cf5a276f295c9995820f4621c8587022e
Block 591: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/af67d4f0e784ad7d7c21cdbe2d501633f97a29b85be75f9a8fdd771cd14f1e53
Block 394: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/b550304180c25457c810707c5fac13398a8c3abf56871e4cc4e4804336768b5b
etc..
And a bunch of block all < to #1000
These are some of the earliest block ever spent. By who?

In 2011, Satoshi sent 2000 BTC to Hal Finney, as a gift or funding, or to help. Hal said he was the first to mine, (block #78) but he gave up mining because his computer was getting hot and the noise of the fan was bothering him.
Satoshi probably though that because of the health issue and maybe the friendship (they both lived in Temple City CA) he was not well served in BTC and sent him a gift.

Think about it. The block #394 was mined 3,940 minutes after the genesis. That's only 65.67 hours after the genesis. Who was mining BTC at this time?. And do not tell me that Hal sent 2000 BTC to himself!

Here is where to start: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1N4PvDjsKsUHhSYxMf8MHhzgk4f3T5cHR3
This is Satoshi sending 2000 BTC to Hal Finney.

Now trace back from where these 2000 BTC are coming from.
Step one 2000 BTC hold here: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1N4PvDjsKsUHhSYxMf8MHhzgk4f3T5cHR3
Step 2: 2000 BTC hold here: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/128BsiE4sQDWMNMkDsUxRLMAasJWdXZXdP
Step 3: 3500 BTC hold here: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1PZwWEJe5YGx9bzJbEpgXiWLuWnyD2rjLA
Step 4: 1000 BTC (from the 3500 in step 3) collected here:

Lols, you're making a mess of everything

First, the coins that Satoshi sent to Hal are these
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/f4184fc596403b9d638783cf57adfe4c75c605f6356fbc91338530e9831e9e16

Second, the transaction you quote as being from Satoshi to Hal
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1N4PvDjsKsUHhSYxMf8MHhzgk4f3T5cHR3

The timestamp is  

2011-06-15 00:12:31

.

Third, one of the funding addresses for those 2000 coins  is
12oRSUW6UVYNCUk8yyrFvbpbJw7uia31sA , it contains reward from block 528

That block was mined by Hal, not Satoshi

[BrewMaster]

Think about it. The block #394 was mined 3,940 minutes after the genesis. That's only 65.67 hours after the genesis. Who was mining BTC at this time?. And do not tell me that Hal sent 2000 BTC to himself!

when you start a topic like this, you need to get into the habit of checking things you say so that they are factual. otherwise everything else will look like your own guesswork.
in this case you are simply multiplying number of blocks with number 10 but you are missing the fact that finding blocks is a luck based thing and also with difficulty 1 it can't go lower than that so sometimes it takes longer to find a block.
so the time (if you actually check the blocks) is >5 days or >120 hours

[TheWolf666]

 

Ok the time stamps are
Genesis #0: 2009-01-09 02:54:25
Transaction #394: 2009-01-14 01:52:50

So it took 5 days to mine this transaction that was sent to Hal Finney. (2x more time that it normally should). Who was mining 5 days after the genesis at this date 2009-01-14 01:52:50 and sent 2000 BTC to Hall in 2011?

That's my point.

Double check what I am saying, check the transactions, check the blocks...
What I am saying is true. Satoshi sent these 2000 BTC to Hal in 2011. He has the wallet with the transactions, and all the unspent transactions. That's the Cinderella shoe.

Think about it. The block #394 was mined 3,940 minutes after the genesis. That's only 65.67 hours after the genesis. Who was mining BTC at this time?. And do not tell me that Hal sent 2000 BTC to himself!

when you start a topic like this, you need to get into the habit of checking things you say so that they are factual. otherwise everything else will look like your own guesswork.
in this case you are simply multiplying number of blocks with number 10 but you are missing the fact that finding blocks is a luck based thing and also with difficulty 1 it can't go lower than that so sometimes it takes longer to find a block.
so the time (if you actually check the blocks) is >5 days or >120 hours