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[eternalgloom]

It's a really cool idea and I wish it were possible to do this.
The thing that would make this impossible to do in a fair manner, would be that it's pretty much impossible to prevent people from cheating in Minecraft.

You don't have 100% sure ways to prevent people from cheating, so anything involving money would certainly attract cheaters.
Unless you force people to record all of their gameplay for example.

[PassThePopcorn]

It's a really cool idea and I wish it were possible to do this.
The thing that would make this impossible to do in a fair manner, would be that it's pretty much impossible to prevent people from cheating in Minecraft.

You don't have 100% sure ways to prevent people from cheating, so anything involving money would certainly attract cheaters.
Unless you force people to record all of their gameplay for example.

Sounds like this would be more of a tournament than an ongoing battle. When doing a tournament you would have staff watching to make sure people weren't cheating.

It's not out of the question for people to win things in MC, I've never seen people win money or crypto directly for MC competitions but have seen them win store credit to the servers webstore.

I haven't kept up with it but I know bitquest was a MC server that ran everything with crypto, as for server hosts any VPS that accepts crypto would work just install MC and your good to go, while you might find some game hosts that accept crypto it might be a bit harder but many VPS' accept you just need to do some research.

vultr seems to do both, accept crypto for hosting and have an MC installation option.

For payments I'd say run a BTCpay server and custom commands that when payments are received it sends commands to the MC instance.

[eternalgloom]

@PassThePopcorn

The thing is, even with staff watching, can you really be 100% sure that people aren't using transparent resource packs to mine for ores?
I mean, it's fairly obvious when you go straight for diamonds, but you can definitely make it look like you're discovering them by accident.

That said, even if cheating were possible, I do think it's a great idea. As long as you could prevent the majority of cheating, it might be enough to host something like this.

[PassThePopcorn]

@PassThePopcorn

The thing is, even with staff watching, can you really be 100% sure that people aren't using transparent resource packs to mine for ores?
I mean, it's fairly obvious when you go straight for diamonds, but you can definitely make it look like you're discovering them by accident.

That said, even if cheating were possible, I do think it's a great idea. As long as you could prevent the majority of cheating, it might be enough to host something like this.

Yeah I'm aware of that, you can also run server scripts to see what people are doing, if someone gets tons of diamonds in a short period of time it can trigger a notification to staff. (This might already exist as well as other anti-cheat programs). The main issue is most of the larger servers that have great anti cheat in house developed it and spent a lot of time and money on it.

One of the other methods would be to not do a payout immediately, where checks can be run before doing a payout, what a lot of people don't realize is when you type into your console the server see's it if your connected to the server. Not all but many cheats can be found simply by looking at the server logs.

The easiest way I'd see to implement this would be
Accept crypto in your servers store - you can have an item to grant access to the UHC server just like the other UHC servers offer except they do it with fiat.
If doing any payouts run a check on the person that wins prior to the payout.

At the end of the day you'll get a ton of scrypt kiddies that will try to hack on your server even if you don't give rewards, what sets servers apart from each other is what they have going on in the back end to protect the server.

[Jeremycoin]

The other problem is, do you think that people would really be interested in this new concept?
I think the reason why there's never been a Minecraft esport competition because they don't really think Minecraft as a competitive game given that Minecraft is actually a sandbox open world game in the first place.

Anyway, on Bitquest, I don't think people have been using cheats or hack clients on the server. They never really think of it as a way to earn bucks. They just want to enjoy playing on the server. As a matter of fact, the community is really nice too.

My point is, with this money-oriented system, people would always find their way around to exploit the game to win much more money.

[Initscri]

You're better off attempting to find a dedicated server provider, or VPS provider which accepts BItcoin.

There are plenty. You don't need a minecraft specific host (especially if you have developers/programmers, who probably have enough knowledge to install something like Bukkit.

[Initscri]

You're better off attempting to find a dedicated server provider, or VPS provider which accepts BItcoin.

There are plenty. You don't need a minecraft specific host (especially if you have developers/programmers, who probably have enough knowledge to install something like Bukkit.

the devs are practically script kiddies, as they are just my friends who know some basic programming, but i guess we could try, you know any good and cheap ones? vultr requires a credit card tx first, and i dont have a bank, so lol

You can look for a few VPS providers which allow BTC as payment.

TBH, You would have to find a developer which has rather good knowledge of Java. Having previously developed plugins for Bukkit, I can tell you it's not a 100% easy task. I doubt there's going to be a plugin which does 100% what you want it to do w/o modification, especially including Bitcoin.

[eternalgloom]

@PassThePopcorn

The thing is, even with staff watching, can you really be 100% sure that people aren't using transparent resource packs to mine for ores?
I mean, it's fairly obvious when you go straight for diamonds, but you can definitely make it look like you're discovering them by accident.

That said, even if cheating were possible, I do think it's a great idea. As long as you could prevent the majority of cheating, it might be enough to host something like this.

most hackers use cheap alts that they bought for like a cent each to hack on servers, as they dont want their main to be banned/exposed probably, so im thinking that some sort of verification like email verification should ward off about 50% of the hackers, and im thinking that for the higher stakes games with 0.05 or more total winnings there should be only allowed to members who have wagered atleast 0.005 btc total (lost+won both) if they were hacking to get there i think they would be caught by then + they would lose all their money if they get caught on the way, so i think this should also ward of most of them, while also having normal anti cheat detections like watch dog(but alot less sophisticated)

Yeah fair enough, I'm not that into Minecraft anymore, so I don't really know the go-to anti-cheat methods.
But what you're saying does sound reasonable, especially if you can include some sort of waiting period before prizes are paid out (to review the matches and catch cheaters before you pay out).

While I don't play too much Minecraft, I'd actually love watching some competitive UHC. Still a big fan of that, whenever someone on Youtube plays it, adding an extra competitive aspect to it (prize money) would make it even better I think.

Btw, why do it with wagers? Wouldn't it be more interesting if you could find actual sponsors instead?
Maybe some blockchain companies or Minecraft server hosting companies would be willing to sponsor in return for advertising.
Then livestream everything on Twitch, perhaps find a couple of big Minecraft Twitch streamers to join the tournament?

[Kakmakr]

The Asian countries will dominate this scene, when you introduce monetary rewards, because they are experts in creating bots to fool the system into mass mining resources.    I have played many games where Crypto currencies were introduced and most of them has gone belly up due to these "cheaters" 

We also had some people on this forum that monetized Minecraft tournaments before, but it died down after the sudden increase in the Bitcoin price in 2017. <People did not want to spend their coins, because they wanted to wait for the next price explosion to cash in on the profits> 

[Initscri]

The Asian countries will dominate this scene, when you introduce monetary rewards, because they are experts in creating bots to fool the system into mass mining resources.    I have played many games where Crypto currencies were introduced and most of them has gone belly up due to these "cheaters" 

We also had some people on this forum that monetized Minecraft tournaments before, but it died down after the sudden increase in the Bitcoin price in 2017. <People did not want to spend their coins, because they wanted to wait for the next price explosion to cash in on the profits> 

Are you sure that's not just due to the popularity decrease of MC. I'd want to compare the popularity of Bitcoin MC servers vs actual gambling websites using Bitcoin.

MC has recently ramped up in popularity, so now is the time to re-attempt

[eternalgloom]

<People did not want to spend their coins, because they wanted to wait for the next price explosion to cash in on the profits>  

And they want to get more coins to get more exposure to price movement, so they will be willing to risk it

Well, I don't think you should pay any attention to that. (regarding Kakmakr's quote)
If you host a proper UHC tournament with prizes in BTC, I'd be willing to join myself.

I've been playing Minecraft since early beta and I personally don't really care about the BTC price.
I always have some BTC to spend

[DiamondCardz]

I think you'd get a lot of interest in this. I can think of four servers which used Bitcoin and were pretty popular - BitVegas (casino in Minecraft, was stupidly popular), MinecraftCC (for a very long time gave people BTC for breaking/placing blocks and had a very good Bitcoin economy), BitQuest, and The Bit Mines. Three of those are down now unfortunately. I believe MinecraftCC is still up but the BTC system is long gone. They had good lives though.

I think you'd need to tone down your expectations for what people would pay to get in though. I still think someone running a properly licensed casino in Minecraft like BitVegas did would find it a very, very profitable experience - but if you want to do UHC go and run with that

[shield132]

To be fair I don't know minecraft well, nor I play this game cause that's not what I enjoy and also don't have time for that but have imaginary about it and for this reason I really liked your idea.
Btw how popular is this game among adults? Among children it's very popular but you need adult audience or at least 14 and higher.
On another hand how much percent from 100% of players use bitcoin?
For cheap hosting, I think russian hosting providers will be best for you but you have to make payments via webmoney and yandex money in most cases. Sometimes depends on hosting, you may negotiate with it.

[DiamondCardz]

To be fair I don't know minecraft well, nor I play this game cause that's not what I enjoy and also don't have time for that but have imaginary about it and for this reason I really liked your idea.
Btw how popular is this game among adults? Among children it's very popular but you need adult audience or at least 14 and higher.
On another hand how much percent from 100% of players use bitcoin?
For cheap hosting, I think russian hosting providers will be best for you but you have to make payments via webmoney and yandex money in most cases. Sometimes depends on hosting, you may negotiate with it.

I mean, I literally gave four examples two posts above your one which detail servers that have successfully used Bitcoin economies (BitVegas especially had a silly amount of money running through it), so asking whether or not there is an audience for it shows that you have failed to read any replies to this topic. There is definitely a reasonably large adult audience for Minecraft still, and there is a significant enough proportion of people who both use Bitcoin and own Minecraft to make projects relating to both worthwhile.