Bitcoin as a Form of Anarchy

[Nhebu]

Bitcoin is a form of anarchy in the economic system. The Bitcoin system is designed to do self-rule and be supported by the application of technological advancements so that it looks amazing for mathematicians and technologists. However, according to the anarchism that has been successfully implemented in Spain, everyone must do the task according to their respective roles so that this concept can succeed.

Expecting Bitcoin to be successful is the same as expecting an anarchist social order to be realized. It seems impossible, but in fact, the social order of anarchy can be done with satisfactory results. The anarchic social order that occurred in the Spanish Revolution which lasted for more than two years before General Franco's invasion succeeded in conquering an area controlled by anarchists.

social anarchy which was also supported by economic anarchy in Spain was carried out extremely. One of them, the community supporting anarchism in Spain at that time burned government money. As a result, coupons (and even just trust) can be used to get fruit and vegetables. If you support Bitcoin to succeed only so that you can then get a lot of Dollars, you only pollute the brilliant concept of Bitcoin anarchy.

Bitcoin is not an anarchy. You cannot say it because bitcoin is newly existing currency. And there is no kind of economic model nor social order can classify the cryptocurrency. We can`t say that it is only governed by same and few people because bitcoin can be governed or still under the control of the government. Why? Exchanges that run bitcoin and crypto trading are still regulated. And there are countries that still banning bitcoin. So, I don`t think that it is the best suit social order for bitcoin. Just sayin.

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[hatshepsut93]

My take is that it wouldn't be healthy for any one of these ideas to dominate, because any of them could have a role to play given the right circumstances. Real life is too complicated to assume that a single idea for organizing will work in every situation. How about using just one word describing the ideology of letting ideas prove themselves in real situations according to their observable efficacy: anarchy

Those ideas are inherently contentious, anarcho-communism can't stand private property and they wouldn't stop until it's abolished worldwide - meanwhile private property is a cornerstone of many forms of individualist anarchism. Anarcho-primitivism seeks to destroy civilization which puts them in opposition to almost any other political movement. It's very hard for such radical ideas to peacefully coexist, they view each others way of life as injustice.

And using one word to describe them all will only create more confusion, it's literally like saying that there should be a state, without specifying what kind of state - it could be a monarchy, a democracy, a fascist dictatorship. Which is where we get back to OP's question - Bitcoin has similarities to some forms of anarchism, but not all.

[The3max]

Governments do not trust the blockchain platform. The most fundamental reason is that they cannot control it, I know that it is transparent but cannot control information from transaction addresses. In addition, concerns about money laundering and crime increase, resulting in regional security.

[Carlton Banks]

Those ideas are inherently contentious, anarcho-communism can't stand private property and they wouldn't stop until it's abolished worldwide

People who invite conflict in that sort of way would be likely to meet their demise rather quickly in a more anarchic world. But I don't really believe there are too many of them anyway, they'd soon catch onto that.

And as long as these people respect other's ways of handling resources, then they can do what they like with their own. You can't say "there's no rigid way of doing things", then say "except you've all got to do it this way". I wouldn't do that in my personal life, but if I was running or working for a company, it's inherently a collective as you're working as a team with pooled resources. Are we gonna start targeting businesses as communist cults because the ownership rights of company property is "too blurry"?

If you wanna fight socialists, or they wanna fight you, the best outcome is if you both kill each other IMO. Forget the ideological divisions, and simply leave each other be.

[Sirait]

If you wanna fight socialists, or they wanna fight you, the best outcome is if you both kill each other IMO. Forget the ideological divisions, and simply leave each other be.

100% agree, it is better if we maintain our respective ideologies. with various ideologies spread around us, we cannot say that our understanding is the most correct.. "respect each other for a more peaceful life"

[Argoo]

Its true, anarchy rejects the authority so bitcoin rejects the economic authority so we can use anarchy for bitcoin.my answer is no, bitcoin doesnt need a government support, its based on this.

However, in order to use Bitcoin or another cryptocurrency, we all need the state’s national money. If there is no regular currency, it is unlikely that you can effectively replace them with a decentralized cryptocurrency. It only in theory seems that it is easy. I do not recognize any anarchy but practical life. For me, anarchy is equivalent to chaos. It seems to me that in order for any society to function effectively, a certain order is needed. Therefore, in our form of organization, bitcoin must be organizationally regulated.

[Carlton Banks]

in order to use Bitcoin or another cryptocurrency, we all need the state’s national money. If there is no regular currency, it is unlikely that you can effectively replace them with a decentralized cryptocurrency. It only in theory seems that it is easy.

no theory is necessary

the nation state is a relatively recent thing. before that, many people all over the world didn't live in a state (some wouldn't even know such a thing existed)

all these free people could or did use money, the archeological and historical records contain abundant proof

I do not recognize any anarchy but practical life.

you do, sorry to have to break it to you. the reason you (and most people) don't rape, rob and murder is because of your natural morals, not because there's a punishment for doing those things

For me, anarchy is equivalent to chaos.

it means "without rulers" in Greek. You've been watching too many movies (where the word "anarchy" is always used wrongly to mean chaos)

It seems to me that in order for any society to function effectively, a certain order is needed.  

right, but when we solve problems with our friends, neighbours, shopkeepers or family, but without the state's help, we're creating an ordered society. Without rulers.

Therefore, in our form of organization, bitcoin must be organizationally regulated.

well, there are no rulers in Bitcoin, but it is organized, and it is regulated, and it is ordered. You've proven yourself wrong rather simply

[hv_]

Nope

It needs rules and consensus about. Anarchy doesn't want rules at all

It needs an existing economy and rule based (minimal is ok) capitalism to allow maximum open competition between miners.

And P2P trade function, where traceable txs are done and need a legal basic framework to be embedded into


No. Anarchy is not good for any global monetary settlement system like Bitcoin

[Carlton Banks]

It needs rules and consensus about. Anarchy doesn't want rules at all

It needs an existing economy and rule based (minimal is ok) capitalism to allow maximum open competition between miners.

And P2P trade function, where traceable txs are done and need a legal basic framework to be embedded into

ok, let's call it "peer-to-peer trade"

or "peer-to-peer governance"

it's pretty obvious that rules or consensus can be achieved person-to-person, so you're wrong

Anarchy is not good for any global monetary settlement system like Bitcoin

Bitcoin already is a peer-to-peer system, with rules and without rulers. If you don't want to call that anarchy, that's fine, but you're a joke if you think it could possibly be used (or have users) if there were no rules.


Bitcoin has rules. You don't like them.
You don't have to use Bitcoin, no-one's asking you to do so (or asking you to stay here on Bitcointalk.org)

in short: if you don't like it, fuck off (I predict you continue to come back whinging about something forever, nice life you have there )

[Kyraishi]

Bitcoin is a form of anarchy in the economic system. The Bitcoin system is designed to do self-rule and be supported by the application of technological advancements so that it looks amazing for mathematicians and technologists. However, according to the anarchism that has been successfully implemented in Spain, everyone must do the task according to their respective roles so that this concept can succeed.

Expecting Bitcoin to be successful is the same as expecting an anarchist social order to be realized. It seems impossible, but in fact, the social order of anarchy can be done with satisfactory results. The anarchic social order that occurred in the Spanish Revolution which lasted for more than two years before General Franco's invasion succeeded in conquering an area controlled by anarchists.

social anarchy which was also supported by economic anarchy in Spain was carried out extremely. One of them, the community supporting anarchism in Spain at that time burned government money. As a result, coupons (and even just trust) can be used to get fruit and vegetables. If you support Bitcoin to succeed only so that you can then get a lot of Dollars, you only pollute the brilliant concept of Bitcoin anarchy.

No, I don't think BTC is actually an Anarchy, it lacks a lot of the crucial parts which makes anarchy what it is - which is a good thing because those versions of society are quite ruthless and restrictive to everyone.

There are some aspects that might make it seem like Anarchy, but it isn't the same thing - they are obviously rules in place when it comes to Bitcoin, and obviously so.

It is indeed a form of anarchy. The idea of decentralization is the key point for the anarchy. So, it is a good way to show people that anarchy isn't the devil. It is for controlling our own life and money. Bitcoin, anarchy, will be giving us this opportunity.

I like this sort of view on BTC, and anarchy. Maybe it could be seen as a variation of anarchy.

[Sancho18]

I read the whole topic and I can say the following. Bitcoin is 100% pure anarchy. People often do not understand what anarchy is and confuse it with chaos. People who confuse anarchy with chaos probably don’t understand the essence of bitcoin, and they should make more efforts to do this, starting with bitcoin's white paper. After that, it also good idea to improve your knowledge of anarchy, but this is optional.

The cognitive dissonance is that bitcoin is anarchy, but the bitcointalk forum has a complex hierarchy structure, administrators, global moderators, local moderators, many ranks for users, trust system lists, brr. You have to somehow live with this discomfort, if you want to be heard by your like-minded people. My anarchist nature is protesting, but I try to keep it on a short leash, because being heard is more important for me now.

[Darooghe]

Bitcoin is not anarchy in any of description, and It doesn't require you to be an anarchist to use it. It isn't any sort of these philosophy things much in the same way that gold isn't any of these things. Bitcoin came into existence and popularity because of its inherently anti-regulatory nature, this is not relative or subjective to contemporary anarchic proponents. It isn't the old lens that clarifies the financial liberty that bitcoin entails, but rather such liberty is the essence of Cryptocurrency.

Bitcoin was born to take the control of money supply out of the hands of governments, and whether that falls in line with one the steps towards anarchism or not, we should all keep that in mind, and not betray bitcoin's original mission. Somebody can want a strong government and also a permissionless and decentralized currency. It is not a contradiction to desire both.

[Apes]

Anarchy in this concept does not mean breaking the law. the concept of bitcoin is a revolution in money transactions
for people who want to be anonymous and not shackled by the banking system.
the presence of bitcoin has not only revolutionized how money transactions can be simplified and opens up opportunities
for people to develop cryptocurrency based projects/industries.

[Astvile]

bitcoin doesnt need a government support, its based on this.

I totally agree with this, bitcoin can stand on its own and without no leaders or dictators or managers or a government behind it. Bitcoin is made to be decentralized so this must happen no one should ever take control of bitcoin no matter what.

Anarchy means that everyone does what ever he wants without following rules.

No it doesn't

Anarchy means that people agree rules between each other

Anarchy is literally just a rebellion against the law or a tradition, people do want changes that's why they are supporting bitcoin change for good not for the worst.

[hv_]

It needs rules and consensus about. Anarchy doesn't want rules at all

It needs an existing economy and rule based (minimal is ok) capitalism to allow maximum open competition between miners.

And P2P trade function, where traceable txs are done and need a legal basic framework to be embedded into

ok, let's call it "peer-to-peer trade"

or "peer-to-peer governance"

it's pretty obvious that rules or consensus can be achieved person-to-person, so you're wrong

Anarchy is not good for any global monetary settlement system like Bitcoin

Bitcoin already is a peer-to-peer system, with rules and without rulers. If you don't want to call that anarchy, that's fine, but you're a joke if you think it could possibly be used (or have users) if there were no rules.


Bitcoin has rules. You don't like them.
You don't have to use Bitcoin, no-one's asking you (or asking you to stay here on Bitcointalk.org)

in short: if you don't like it, fuck off (I predict you continue to come back whinging about something forever, nice life you have there )

If you dont like govs - fuck off - u voted / u are part of / u can change (little)  - but u cannot go mad as u are


bitcoin is just tech - it doesnt Change much  - don't get it ?

[Carlton Banks]

If you dont like govs - fuck off

I want to, they won't allow it. Only choice is to go to another planet, and no doubt they'd follow everyone there and start ordering everyone about again

u voted

quit voting long ago

u are part of

no I am not, I refuse to take part in something I never asked to be a part of, especially if it is thinly disguised bullying

u can change (little)

that's not how this garbage system is marketed to the voters, but it's true: you can change something so small through the electoral system that it makes almost no difference, and gives the political class plenty of advanced warning about how to make counter-reactions that will erase any political gains the electorate can make

bitcoin is just tech - it doesnt Change much  - don't get it ?

tech is a tool. tools can be powerful. powerful tools always, every time they were created and spread, changed the world.

[adeandro]

Initially, it was a form of anarchy, but every year bitcoin becomes more and more subject to government and banking structures

[hv_]

If you dont like govs - fuck off

I want to, they won't allow it. Only choice is to go to another planet, and no doubt they'd follow everyone there and start ordering everyone about again

u voted

quit voting long ago

u are part of

no I am not, I refuse to take part in something I never asked to be a part of, especially if it is thinly disguised bullying

u can change (little)

that's not how this garbage system is marketed to the voters, but it's true: you can change something so small through the electoral system that it makes almost no difference, and gives the political class plenty of advanced warning about how to make counter-reactions that will erase any political gains the electorate can make

bitcoin is just tech - it doesnt Change much  - don't get it ?

tech is a tool. tools can be powerful. powerful tools always, every time they were created and spread, changed the world.

...and also tech and changes got us finally away from living in caves and anarchy, if u want go back, BitCoin is not ur friend

Lol

[Wind_FURY]

OP, I like the idealism, but some of us have come here for the money, but stayed for the revolution. Understand the incentives, encourage the greed, then it will lock everyone in.

[Kakmakr]

OP, I like the idealism, but some of us have come here for the money, but stayed for the revolution. Understand the incentives, encourage the greed, then it will lock everyone in.

Exactly, take myself as an example.. I entered Bitcoin because I was looking for a alternative payment option. I was a victim of credit card fraud and I lost a lot of money, so I was looking for a better online payment option.

I found Bitcoin, but the real benefit of Bitcoin became more evident, when I went down the Rabbit hole and realized that there was a huge movement behind this technology to disrupt corrupt Banking practices and to re-invent the whole payment system. 

Every cent that are converted to Satoshis are a step closer to true disruption and also improvement of the old legacy/centralized  payment systems.