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July 27, 2019, 03:32:33 PM
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Anybody have an estimate as to how much they scammed for?
That's nearly impossible to gauge.

While the cards are numbered sequentially, you could get an estimated total run by asking people for their security codes
and then assuming the highest answer you get is roughly the amount of cards produced.

However, that list would include not only different denominations (ranging from 0.005 BTC all the way up to 0.1 BTC),
but also different currencies, there's been Doge ones, LTC ones, CSC ones, and all those weird shitcoins you and I have never even heard about.

Then you'd have to find a way to estimate how many cards have been redeemed, and how many cards "expired".
There isn't any list of public keys you could parse through, like there is for some other physicals. Getting an idea of how many are redeemed and how many are not will be nearly impossible.

So to sum up: Unclear how many cards in total, of which denomination each, and if redeemed. I doubt you'd come up with any useful number.



The company going ghost that just left active shares in limbo and nothing on the website stating what’s going on just doesn’t add up to anything legitimate. No closing of business listed anywhere on the website.
They filed for closure a while ago, according to the company register.

I have continued to dig in to this, and now know who the main owner(s) are.
(snip)
I will continue looking further in to this (I have more reading to do) will be reaching out to the owners to get their take and ask why they are not honoring their promise to keep their redeeming site open until all cards are redeemed. I will be placing a scam accusation as well as flag accounts and continue to add info about that and anything else pertinent.
As this is going to bring up real names sooner or later, I'd suggest a thread in investigations.
Else we're stuck beating around the bush not being able to fully share all information available with everyone interested and concerned about this.


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Then you'd have to find a way to estimate how many cards have been redeemed, and how many cards "expired".
There isn't any list of public keys you could parse through, like there is for some other physicals. Getting an idea of how many are redeemed and how many are not will be nearly impossible.

It's easy to get the number of unredeemed cards.

What I haven't figured is a way to get the amounts yet but my hope is it would be possible with on-chain data. (It might be possible to examine a few payment transactions or a few cash-out transactions and see if there's any common wallet or other discernible pattern.)
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July 27, 2019, 06:03:35 PM
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Added Prypto cards to the Scam thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3315347.0

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July 28, 2019, 02:12:31 AM
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Thank you everyone for sharing your opinion. There is no question in my mind that this is and was a scam. I’ve not had the time today to continue this “investigation”, but I wanted to present what info I did have which I believe was enough to show upon a reasonable doubt that this is a scam that has been mostly covered up and swept under the rug by the former owners. Names of the owners can already be seen in my last post. This is all public info, so don’t be afraid of “doxing” them if you’re interested in helping out here.

When I find some time soon I will be reaching out to former owners for comments as well as posting in other proper boards as well as creating a flag (which I’m not really versed on yet).

I greatly appreciate the efforts of everyone who’s chimed in here and then some. This stuff is time consuming so I of course encourage anyone who wants to help out to do so. Regardless I will like many others before, continue to work on bringing all info to light. It’s sickening how many of these I’ve worked on at this point, but important to never become complacent and let this filth get away scott free. 
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July 28, 2019, 10:31:00 AM
Last edit: July 28, 2019, 12:56:59 PM by yogg
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So, I ran a script to get some data. (Thanks sat0shisgh0st for the idea !)
Here are the logs : http://archive.fo/GwztI

For a sample of 134641 prypto security codes (allegedly a different one per card) :
30,646 Prypto cards that are Not Used and Activated. (22,77%)
9,789 cards were Used. (7,27%)
And 94,206 are Not Used and Not Activated. (69,96%)
If you try to input a completely random security number, it will not tell you that the card doesn't exist, it will tell you that it isn't activated and not used.
So there might as well be "non-existant" cards in the last numbers.

I scrapped some data off the http://cryptoscratchcards.com/ website.
Started with Security Code 10000000 and went up. (As they started with 50 prototypes of 1k DOGE, one was auctioned with number 10000007.

The highest security code that has been used and that I found is : 10103984
So it means there are ranges of activated/used prypto cards.

So basically, the 94,206 not used and not activated cards may be non existent.
Luckily we know there were at least 30,646 activated ("funded") and not used !
I will keep the script running, see if we find anything more in the higher numbers.

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I started with Yogg's scraped database and am currently trying to match denominations of known cards to security codes:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cIGR9TVSUDKEZ2xeftAVmt4_MW8S6-KdWDTFshcUCwQ/edit?usp=sharing

Archived for those who don't want to use google: https://archive.fo/fkvxI

For example, we know cards 10000001-10000050 are 1k DOGE through postings here.

I got a few known security codes/denominations from users on the forums and slack and have input those.
It seems like the cards in given continuous ranges of known-activated cards are all the same denominations. So for example I think the cards with security codes from 10051301-10066880 are almost continuous and the cards people have reported are all 0.001 BTC cards, so it seems fair to assume that all of those cards are 0.001 BTC.

Known cards are highlighted in a brighter color, cards with uncertain denominations are a more pale color.

I'm already up to about 10 BTC in unredeemed cards which is higher than I'd expected, and I have only looked through a fraction of these.

If people share the security codes and denominations of their cards with me, here, via PM, or Slack, I'll include them in the spreadsheet and we can get an idea of how much BTC these guys are trying to steal.
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July 28, 2019, 05:36:59 PM
Last edit: July 28, 2019, 05:50:57 PM by Lutpin
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I'll happily eat my previous words. I didn't consider polling their website for information about the total run and about redeemed/non-redeemed cards.
Guess I figured they let all of them expire, the tool would just show that. But since their information tool still gives seemingly accurate data about this,
an estimate could become very accurate, giving you can collect as many security code/denomination pairs as possible.



Let me help you with mine, they aren't many, but they are a start:

If people share the security codes and denominations of their cards with me, here, via PM, or Slack, I'll include them in the spreadsheet and we can get an idea of how much BTC these guys are trying to steal.
The cards starting at 1000 are 0.005BTC. 10001010 and 10001011 are mine of that denomination.
Higher numbers (might be more likely altcoins) are most likely those with custom designs on the backside.
My doge cards are 10010746 (25k) and 10017913 (1000).


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The cards starting at 1000 are 0.005BTC. 10001010 and 10001011 are mine of that denomination.

Are you sure those are the right security codes? I get that they're not activated when I search it.



The ones with similar (neighboring) security numbers are activated, just not the specific numbers you gave.

I suppose it could mean Yogg and I misunderstood the meaning of "Not active".
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These are the denominations I could find
0.5 btc
0.1 btc
0.05 btc
0.01 btc
500 uBTC

1000 Doge
10K doge
25k doge

10 vtc (VertCoin)
20 max (MaxCoin)
200 wdc (WorldCoin)


here are a few more card numbers and what denomination they are:

10000008 1000 Doge
10002937 1000 Doge
10011505 0.5 btc
10020829 0.001 btc

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July 28, 2019, 05:57:08 PM
Last edit: July 28, 2019, 07:05:21 PM by Lutpin
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Are you sure those are the right security codes? I get that they're not activated when I search it.
The ones with similar (neighboring) security numbers are activated, just not the specific numbers you gave.
As sure as I can be.
I bought the cards understanding they were "loaded"/I would be able to redeem them.
I didn't plan to and was aware of the 5 year expiry deadline, but I assumed they would be valid until then.



I suppose it could mean Yogg and I misunderstood the meaning of "Not active".
Or their database is faulty.



here are a few more card numbers and what denomination they are:
10000008 1000 Doge (used)
10002937 1000 Doge (not used, not active)
10011505 0.5 btc (used)
10020829 0.001 btc (not used, active)
Checked them against the tracker and added the status here for easy reference.
The 10002937 one is the most interesting one to me, as it shows the same status as mine.


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July 28, 2019, 08:08:07 PM
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I suppose it could mean Yogg and I misunderstood the meaning of "Not active".
Or their database is faulty.



here are a few more card numbers and what denomination they are:
10000008 1000 Doge (used)
10002937 1000 Doge (not used, not active)
10011505 0.5 btc (used)
10020829 0.001 btc (not used, active)
Checked them against the tracker and added the status here for easy reference.
The 10002937 one is the most interesting one to me, as it shows the same status as mine.

These are guesses, but in my opinion, there was a mandatory step once you got the physical card : you had to "Activate" it.
This is when they become available to be redeemed.

About the "Not used, not active" state, you can input any random number (such as 65341651651651651) and it will always state "Not used, not active".
So we could speculate that either the cards were non-existent, or not activated (which doesn't change much regarding the scam, except we won't be able to quantify the amounts linked to those)

So .. There would be 4 different cases :
- Activated and redeemed loaded Prypto card (Used, active)
- Activated and not redeemed loaded Prypto card (Not used, active) SKAM !!
- Non-active and not redeemed loaded Prypto card (Not used, not active) SKAM !!
- Non-existent security code // Prypto card (Not used, not active)

If there is no record of release, this is going to be very complicated to separate the not activated loaded and the non-existent Prypto cards.

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July 28, 2019, 08:18:19 PM
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These are guesses, but in my opinion, there was a mandatory step once you got the physical card : you had to "Activate" it.
This is when they become available to be redeemed.
I'm not aware of any such step being communicated to customers.
It could have been something that the reseller had to do when they sold a card, and that wasn't done with my cards and some others, for whatever reason.
But, to the best of my knowledge, there was no public method of "activating" a prypto scratch card after you received it.
The FAQ section at GetPrypto (one of those resellers) doesn't mention anything like that either.


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July 28, 2019, 08:44:46 PM
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These are guesses, but in my opinion, there was a mandatory step once you got the physical card : you had to "Activate" it.
This is when they become available to be redeemed.
I'm not aware of any such step being communicated to customers.
It could have been something that the reseller had to do when they sold a card, and that wasn't done with my cards and some others, for whatever reason.
But, to the best of my knowledge, there was no public method of "activating" a prypto scratch card after you received it.
The FAQ section at GetPrypto (one of those resellers) doesn't mention anything like that either.

The seller had to activate the card, the buyer could never do it (I guess unless you bought directly).

I believe but am not 100% certain that seller could redeem the balance if it was never activated as to surpass the step of scratching each card and creating a tx that way.

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July 28, 2019, 08:49:48 PM
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These are guesses, but in my opinion, there was a mandatory step once you got the physical card : you had to "Activate" it.
This is when they become available to be redeemed.
I'm not aware of any such step being communicated to customers.
It could have been something that the reseller had to do when they sold a card, and that wasn't done with my cards and some others, for whatever reason.
But, to the best of my knowledge, there was no public method of "activating" a prypto scratch card after you received it.
The FAQ section at GetPrypto (one of those resellers) doesn't mention anything like that either.

The seller had to activate the card, the buyer could never do it (I guess unless you bought directly).

I believe but am not 100% certain that seller could redeem the balance if it was never activated as to surpass the step of scratching each card and creating a tx that way.

So possible that some of the resellers/sellers scammed the btc instead of the company??

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July 28, 2019, 08:50:55 PM
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These are guesses, but in my opinion, there was a mandatory step once you got the physical card : you had to "Activate" it.
This is when they become available to be redeemed.
I'm not aware of any such step being communicated to customers.
It could have been something that the reseller had to do when they sold a card, and that wasn't done with my cards and some others, for whatever reason.
But, to the best of my knowledge, there was no public method of "activating" a prypto scratch card after you received it.
The FAQ section at GetPrypto (one of those resellers) doesn't mention anything like that either.

The seller had to activate the card, the buyer could never do it (I guess unless you bought directly).

I believe but am not 100% certain that seller could redeem the balance if it was never activated as to surpass the step of scratching each card and creating a tx that way.

So possible that some of the resellers/sellers scam instead of the company??

That may have been possible yeah, but it's so long ago that I'm really not sure..

I believe it was something about theft that justified such a system since most resellers would sell/hand out at events and such.

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July 28, 2019, 09:05:06 PM
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Really awesome work here by everyone, so glad you Mr Robots stepped in to do what I could not.

Has anyone reached out to them yet ? Is there a way of knowing who the resellers are? Thx everyone !
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Really awesome work here by everyone, so glad you Mr Robots stepped in to do what I could not.

Has anyone reached out to them yet ? Is there a way of knowing who the resellers are? Thx everyone !

On my end I only see resellers as numbers, so no idea who they are Sad

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https://casinocoin.org/boardmember/duncan-cameron/

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Even though he has removed Prypto from his linkedIn.

CSC was the project he launched after Prypto

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August 01, 2019, 02:07:51 PM
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I did resell those cards back in the days. I need to figure out how many cards that I sold were not redeemed and contacted the people that operated it. Once I hear back, I will let you know.

PS: Before people run on a spree and "dox" me with my old address, please talk to me first if you bought any cards from me. Cause I can already smell fire and hear the pitchforks. I moved since I sold the cards.

The very first item of the FAQ on my site back then was:

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WHEN DO THE CRYPTO SCRATCH CARDS EXPIRE?
Our Crypto Scratch Cards have an expiry date of 5 Years on them from the date of printing, providing that the code has not been used.

I am not very active here atm but can be reached via TG or Discord.


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August 01, 2019, 02:14:14 PM
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I did resell those cards back in the days. I need to figure out how many cards that I sold were not redeemed and contacted the people that operated it. Once I hear back, I will let you know.

Thanks a lot for your input ! Smiley

Please, if you remember some details, can you enlighten us with the loading procedure ?
As a reseller, did you need to "activate" them ?
Do you have a txid linked to a prypto card in some way ?

This can be extremely helpful.

Cause I can already smell fire and hear the pitchforks.

If you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to dare.
We are trying to figure out the total amounts that have "expired" (under Prypto terms)



The highest security code that has been used and that I found is : 10103984

I kept the script running but this is the highest security code that I found and that has a state which is different from "Not activated, not used".
All security numbers above this one gave this output.

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