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July 21, 2019, 05:12:19 PM
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bitcoin hold several  around 7 transaction per second

the ethereum blockchain currently supports roughly 15 transactions per second

nano is better but

compare to

the 45,000 processed by Visa.\/

Transactions are an innate problem of Blockchain. A big downside, so to speak. The more transactions there are, the more time and money is needed for them to be confirmed. And I think your Visa info is wrong. From what I see it's around 1.7k transactions per second, not 45k. But let's return to cryptos. The only thing you can do with blockchain is trying to increase the number of transactions a coin would be able to process in advance. But the main problem with more transactions requiring more time and money will always remain. DAG, on the other hand, is designed in the opposite way, with confirmation stuff being tough at first, but getting better as more transactions occur. I believe this article and an image in it is useful to understand it: https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@steemhoops99/transaction-speed-bitcoin-visa-iota-paypal/

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July 21, 2019, 05:14:48 PM
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bitcoin hold several  around 7 transaction per second

the ethereum blockchain currently supports roughly 15 transactions per second

nano is better but

compare to

the 45,000 processed by Visa.\/







Bitcoin can hold 7 transactions per second,but what about the offchain/sidechain solutions that are built over the bitcoin blockchain,like Lightning Network?
For me,scalability isn't such a big deal.Decentralization and security are more important that the transaction speed or volume.

davis you try to sound smart but you dont even aware what you say really, hell what is going in this place on reddit you was slammed fast by tons of comments and i already answer this million times which mean you even didnt read my answers before you just seat there and answer whatever inside your mind which really show you even dont know what you ask....

max bitcoin tps is 10 per second so dont post me 7 per second and feel smart its show you far away from be smart because whether it 7 or 10 -16 or 6 its the same level, you say 7 like you are the smart one know excatly how much tps which is 7 and in fact is wrong is 10 tps per second.

Lightning Network? cannot solve this and not others did you read my other answers, that what is fucking wrong with your mind, before you answer read see and look , hell people like you scare me sometime even to answer them is shit.

if Lightning Network and other solve the problems so why experts still try to solve this and other shit,,,Lightning Network dosent help do research is all on the web.

this is the most complete crap shit i ever heard from you : For me,scalability isn't such a big deal.Decentralization and security are more important that the transaction speed or volume.

do you fucking crazy when you scale any system in any vertical you scale it with security its parallel to each other because you cannot scale any system whether its centralized or decentralized without security....do you hear what you say...

its like building huge building comapre to small block and say to me small block is more important because of security but faggot when building huge building there is different security, whether its on centralized or decentralized tech....

you even dont aware what you say by this, scalibility and security developed parallel to each other wgether its on decntralized or centralized system.
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July 21, 2019, 05:25:41 PM
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bitcoin hold several  around 7 transaction per second

the ethereum blockchain currently supports roughly 15 transactions per second

nano is better but

compare to

the 45,000 processed by Visa.\/

Transactions are an innate problem of Blockchain. A big downside, so to speak. The more transactions there are, the more time and money is needed for them to be confirmed. And I think your Visa info is wrong. From what I see it's around 1.7k transactions per second, not 45k. But let's return to cryptos. The only thing you can do with blockchain is trying to increase the number of transactions a coin would be able to process in advance. But the main problem with more transactions requiring more time and money will always remain. DAG, on the other hand, is designed in the opposite way, with confirmation stuff being tough at first, but getting better as more transactions occur. I believe this article and an image in it is useful to understand it: https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@steemhoops99/transaction-speed-bitcoin-visa-iota-paypal/

how visa can hold 1.7 k per second with all the transcation going inside the usa to you get what you say..

and its depend on the protocol that use to verifiy the tps each protocol/blockchain has different way which show you even know what is fhantom or spectre or ghost protocols and how they differ from bitcoin protocol and where dag protocol enter here and how oother important things try to solve this problem...

dude go back to school you talk non sense from the moment you said visa hold 1.7k per second if yes visa would crash every second from overload transcation...


and about dat i already explained how it work so you sound more stupid then smart and you only copy pasy you really dont know how it work and what weakness it have??

you even dont know what is phantom protocol or spectra and others,,,you just copy past what is dag and in reality you even dont know how it work.

so to see so much people talk so much non sense but on reddit they will debunk you under one second you even will log off it will go viral, because on reddit people there learn rather then feel smart and talk bullshit and copy past something that already explained by me..
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July 21, 2019, 05:33:26 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7xnqqc/i_have_done_a_lot_of_research_on_bitcoins_scaling/post on reddit -- i_have_done_a_lot_of_research_on_bitcoins_scaling

 Roll Eyes this is how people get deep in reddit about some topic on crypto and some of the topest mind hides over there, each one there research and know what he post and people aware not to post shitty posts over there or he will flooded with negative comments or better ask what you dont understand.

even congress man use the slang of reddit like shit coin and others slangs which is come from reddit

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July 21, 2019, 05:40:02 PM
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Bitcoin is actually the closest to solving the scaling problem, because it has Lightning Network and while it is not yer released officially, people already use it on mainnet. Ethereum's scaling solutions are in much earlier stages of development, and other cryptocurrencies that claim to have solved scaling are so centralized that we shouldn't view them as competitors of Bitcoin - they are entirely different products with different value proposition. This is one of the reasons why Bitcoin is doing so well and altcoins don't.
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July 21, 2019, 06:00:43 PM
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Bitcoin is actually the closest to solving the scaling problem, because it has Lightning Network and while it is not yer released officially, people already use it on mainnet. Ethereum's scaling solutions are in much earlier stages of development, and other cryptocurrencies that claim to have solved scaling are so centralized that we shouldn't view them as competitors of Bitcoin - they are entirely different products with different value proposition. This is one of the reasons why Bitcoin is doing so well and altcoins don't.

load of shit information from you.

 Lightning Network dosent solve scaling problem and its all over the web.


ethereum want to use ghost protocol which i speakd about to scale but it far away from truly be scalable... when you say ethereum work on this, is so much general where is details, how and what you also just copty past what you read....they wanna use ghost protocol maybe to scale...some say they wont work on it...ethereum is far awy from be scaleable and if yes they found answer to what experts years search while other fall to hype and scam and mian stream bullshit which will not happen without solving this problem.


you answerr to much general like saying nix coin shit also work on scaling ,,but how and what as top experts know all this coins that say they can scale they truly scam while nano somehow  not and itoa work on dag yet they didnt found answers to the weakness of dag protocol.

this is huge shit when you say :cryptocurrencies that claim to have solved scaling are so centralized that we shouldn't view them as competitors of Bitcoin.

because scaling can be done on decentralzied system and centralized its depend what the founders choose yet, with decentralized tech which is peer to peer money the problem scaling didnt solve as the most last lecture of mit experts talk heavily about this and how much fast it need to solved if we want to put out paypal and visa and others which is industry of 30 trillion.

yet peer to peer file sharing is scale easy because there is way and peer to peer money come from p2p file sharing mixed with cryptography...

bitcoin mining is operate by giants around the world, the smallest players are far away from be in the mining game and every expert know this,.

you also dont aware what you post and you didnt even read my post before here which talk

about dag protocol and spectre and phantom and other cool stuff which scale bitcoin but still far away from be real scaleable.

dude you also need to go to school with your general answers like this and this coin work on scaling while all the top experts around the wrold didnt find answer


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July 21, 2019, 06:09:42 PM
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Bitcoin is actually the closest to solving the scaling problem, because it has Lightning Network and while it is not yer released officially, people already use it on mainnet. Ethereum's scaling solutions are in much earlier stages of development, and other cryptocurrencies that claim to have solved scaling are so centralized that we shouldn't view them as competitors of Bitcoin - they are entirely different products with different value proposition. This is one of the reasons why Bitcoin is doing so well and altcoins don't.

fuck you so dumb you even dont read my other answers which alread answer your dumb information which have no clue what you speak.

experts from mit say:
Transaction fees and scalability are two of the biggest problems
facing public blockchain setups.

gere it again after million times i posted it yet dumb people just put the crap inside their head without even read and see what was before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoza4Fvk81M -- The Scalability Problem mit experts not faggots for sure!

dag protocol and there are a lot of protocols each one have its own weaknees and bitcoin its impossible to scale ask any expert blockchain or i will put lecture from mit here that speak about it!

solutions like DAG networks offers remarkable benefits in.
There are no blocks or chains on DAGs, yet is still a peer-to-peer
decentralized network that uses consensus mechanisms to validate
transactions. Better yet, it can function without charging fees, and the
more traffic it experiences, the faster it works.

Advantages of the DAG
DAG networks pack in the privacy, security and decentralization
benefits of blockchain, and combine them with a number of

improvements such as:
No Mining
The absence of blocks subsequently means the absence of miners,
which in turn means there are no high-powered computers racing to
solve math problems for a payout. DAG networks therefore use a
fraction of the energy that blockchain systems use.

Scalable
The DAG architecture has no limit in terms of scalability. Throughput
grows in conjunction with activity - the only limit is bandwidth.
Low Difficulty
Low hashing power requirement means that devices like mobile
phones, routers, and smart devices can join DAG networks.

Speed
Blockchain networks slow down as the user base increases, and it
takes more time to confirm transactions. DAG networks work the
opposite way — the more it is used, the faster it works.

Quantum Resistance*
DAG DLTs offer a buffer against quantum computing, meaning its
advent would not threaten the security of the system.

dag is million times more decentralized then other protocols relative*

dag have it own weakness which you will not understand i know from your answer you need to dig deep to types of protocols and what between and other cool stuff which you dont know ,
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July 21, 2019, 06:29:22 PM
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Bitcoin is actually the closest to solving the scaling problem, because it has Lightning Network and while it is not yer released officially, people already use it on mainnet. Ethereum's scaling solutions are in much earlier stages of development, and other cryptocurrencies that claim to have solved scaling are so centralized that we shouldn't view them as competitors of Bitcoin - they are entirely different products with different value proposition. This is one of the reasons why Bitcoin is doing so well and altcoins don't.


this is what is lighting network -- this will scale'Huh? its second layer” payment protocol, need setup and other things...and

ssentially, the Lightning Network allows two people to transfer cryptocurrency directly, rather than via the main Bitcoin blockchain.

Say David and I are regularly paying each other back in Bitcoin for the beers we’re always buying each other. Rather than paying each other back directly, using conventional (and slow) Bitcoin transactions, we could set up a Lightning Network payment channel.

When we setup this channel, what we’re actually doing is setting up a special kind of wallet that only we can access. Initially, we would both put some Bitcoin into that wallet and use those funds every time we want to quickly send some coins to each other.

Every time I buy David a beer, he can pay me back quickly and directly with minimal fees using this channel. When we decide to close this wallet our final balances are settled using Bitcoin’s Proof-of-Work blockchain.

Effectively, the Lightning Network operates by generating IOUs between the parties of a payment channel. Technically, no one actually owns the money held in that channel whilst it is open.

if few dags weakness solved its the next bitcoin and top marketers need to be behind this to make it viral because the hype and bullshit and scam will hide this gem, then* the source code forked  and new coins which all of them are very scalable and decentralized and secure + quantum resistance...helll this pizza taste very good
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July 21, 2019, 07:41:24 PM
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Whether it's blockchain, DAG or traditional database, all of them have their own pros and cons. Most cryptocurrency which offer higher TPS or fast-confirmation always have trade-off (cost to run full node, decentralization, security, etc.), which not acceptable for all people.

Quantum Resistance*
DAG DLTs offer a buffer against quantum computing, meaning its
advent would not threaten the security of the system.

Data-structure/database type have no correlation with Quantum Resistant. You probably meant quantum-resistant cryptography.

people here need to take one month and educate them self

1 month? I'd be surprised if they managed to educate them-self on new/foreign topic more than 5 minutes

P.S. stop multi-posting & use edit feature if you have something to say when there's no new reply. People who disagree with you might report your posts.

what is this you also dont read post before or copy past them, i also copy past i fucking lazy but i have deep understanding....
-- Whether it's blockchain, DAG or traditional database, all of them have their own pros and cons. ( i said this million time it have weakness or you fukcing blind)

--Data-structure/database type have no correlation with Quantum Resistant. You probably meant quantum-resistant cryptography.( yes i mean cryptography , what i talk here about pizza shit dude what you somke heroin)

--1 month? I'd be surprised if they managed to educate them-self on new/foreign topic more than 5 minutes( yehh with 5 shitty starts and shitty metrit and years in this industry and they even dont know what is ghost protocol or spectre or phantom, you say 5 min i see here years??? dude you are crazy also)

--stop multi-posting & use edit feature if you have something to say when there's no new reply. People who disagree with you might report your posts.(you so dick head and mislead people...people should open quality posts and know all this information to stay away from scams and hype and bullshit,,,do you know how much coins claim they achieved huge tps per second, and other shit...do you know how much scams was in this forum on dag base coin with privacy and othere shit....i mean burn here because most of the people here uneducated)

i will sum it you mislead people from learning and get to the right path, sorry to say.

you even dont know what is protocols and what the difference between them relative to blockchain why lighting network will never scale and other shit.

by your answers you try to sound smart yet you far away from the ball park dude,.

when someone is uneducated its first mistake, when he try to sound smart in the same time its second mistake, and when he mislead people to the wrong path and third mistake,,,,

and after all there is alot of fishy account here also reddit knows ,






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July 21, 2019, 07:48:40 PM
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Whether it's blockchain, DAG or traditional database, all of them have their own pros and cons. Most cryptocurrency which offer higher TPS or fast-confirmation always have trade-off (cost to run full node, decentralization, security, etc.), which not acceptable for all people.

Quantum Resistance*
DAG DLTs offer a buffer against quantum computing, meaning its
advent would not threaten the security of the system.

Data-structure/database type have no correlation with Quantum Resistant. You probably meant quantum-resistant cryptography.

people here need to take one month and educate them self

1 month? I'd be surprised if they managed to educate them-self on new/foreign topic more than 5 minutes

P.S. stop multi-posting & use edit feature if you have something to say when there's no new reply. People who disagree with you might report your posts.

and even dont try to say why my english is like this and i like it this way in other words

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoza4Fvk81M edit* The Scalability Problem

0:27 listen -- some people drop a file with creativity on the irc of mit club bitcoin with broken english language  and after some time mimble wimble...

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July 21, 2019, 07:57:27 PM
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Whether it's blockchain, DAG or traditional database, all of them have their own pros and cons. Most cryptocurrency which offer higher TPS or fast-confirmation always have trade-off (cost to run full node, decentralization, security, etc.), which not acceptable for all people.

Quantum Resistance*
DAG DLTs offer a buffer against quantum computing, meaning its
advent would not threaten the security of the system.

Data-structure/database type have no correlation with Quantum Resistant. You probably meant quantum-resistant cryptography.

people here need to take one month and educate them self

1 month? I'd be surprised if they managed to educate them-self on new/foreign topic more than 5 minutes

P.S. stop multi-posting & use edit feature if you have something to say when there's no new reply. People who disagree with you might report your posts.

and if few weakness of dag is solved its will be huge improvement and something which will shake all this industry while some say negative about dag like vitalik and other but this shit leave to experts they between them sometime conflict but with logic and not hate,,,

some fear this tech will out perform all others, and maybe after all there will be other protocol that will make it who knows, relative to all other dag have one main weakness when there is low amount of transcation its can be attacked very easy,

its much more decentralized million times then POW system, because each transcation ...read about the protocol.

its fucking so scaleable...the more transcation the faster the system.

still this system need fees to prevent spam..

no miners and no blocks,,

there is much more...
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July 21, 2019, 08:07:17 PM
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I think we haven't created something better than btc blockchain yet.


fishy account as top mit experts and cryptographers from around the world know transcation per second on bitcoin blockchain is max 10 per second, ethereum little bit more , nothing fancy and maybe working for improvement and strange account so who see this post read past answers.

satoshi team also talk about the scaling problems few times...

do you fucking get what is only the cars inside usa* use cryptos to fuel/gas they cars , do you fucking get the number?Huh  bitcoin hold max 10 tps per second ethereum littile bit more and for nano somehow scale but still far away and itoa work on dag but they didnt find away to solve the problem when there is low amount of transcation on dag system which can be attacked easy, yet dag is protected from quantum network attack somehow, no block,no miners, can be more decentralized million times then bitcoin protocol and much more.

yet the problem until you sacle with dag it can be attacked easliy which if there is idea to solve this , its the next somehow bitcoin

again for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoza4Fvk81M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoza4Fvk81M) The Scalability Problem by mit...



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Different types of blockchain - different aims. I bet we can't decide for sure. But for me btc is always no1.

I from Reddit also how are neo Nazis dick head
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Different types of blockchain - different aims. I bet we can't decide for sure. But for me btc is always no1.


fishy account as top mit experts and cryptographers from around the world know transcation per second on bitcoin blockchain is max 10 per second, ethereum little bit more , nothing fancy and maybe working for improvement and strange account so who see this post read past answers.

satoshi team also talk about the scaling problems few times...

do you fucking get what is only the cars inside usa* use cryptos to fuel/gas they cars , do you fucking get the number?Huh  bitcoin hold max 10 tps per second ethereum littile bit more and for nano somehow scale but still far away and itoa work on dag but they didnt find away to solve the problem when there is low amount of transcation on dag system which can be attacked easy, yet dag is protected from quantum network attack somehow, no block,no miners, can be more decentralized million times then bitcoin protocol and much more.

yet the problem until you sacle with dag it can be attacked easliy which if there is idea to solve this , its the next somehow bitcoin

again for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoza4Fvk81M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoza4Fvk81M) The Scalability Problem by mit...

who are the fuck are you hhhhh expert , better dont piss me off

its not about number 1 or not its about we need to put out paypal and visa and other from the game by scaling,,,this is why experts around the world try to slove this as fast as possible, to get them out of the game,,,,bitcoin cannot scale and satoshi team also said this,

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I think we haven't created something better than btc blockchain yet.


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I think we haven't created something better than btc blockchain yet.


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i just fucking lazy but i can flood* this fourm with fake account, i just dont do it as i talk about interesting things and important...

while etfbitcoin probaly have 10 btc and feel smart while he even dont know how much protocols out there...

soon i jump to reddit, daily discussion
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I think we haven't created something better than btc blockchain yet.


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i just fucking lazy but i can flood* this fourm with fake account, i just dont do it as i talk about interesting things and important...

while etfbitcoin probaly have 10 btc and feel smart while he even dont know how much protocols out there...

soon i jump to reddit, daily discussion

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tangrams/comments/c111se/iotas_dan_simerman_promotes_tangram_when_asked/

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I think we haven't created something better than btc blockchain yet.


Be aware of this accounts they pop up by scammers.



i just fucking lazy but i can flood* this fourm with fake account, i just dont do it as i talk about interesting things and important...

while etfbitcoin probaly have 10 btc and feel smart while he even dont know how much protocols out there...

soon i jump to reddit, daily discussion

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tangrams/comments/c111se/iotas_dan_simerman_promotes_tangram_when_asked/

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yehh its very fishy when you open quality post about the problem scaling which top experts try to slove in order to put out the big boys from the game like visa and paypal and other shit and suddenly pop out accounts which are source from dumb people, which think we are stupid also while its super quality post and very healthy to educate people about protocols and data structure and this help people to know what really happen on the system while the web is dominated by scam and bullshit hype,

 there is project called  radix which claim he can make 1 million tps per second...

while top experts around the world and the anonymous guys that drop information to the IRC of mit with broken english to somehow solve this faster with them and get out the big boys and make things more decentralized million time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoza4Fvk81M edit* The Scalability Problem

0:27 listen -- some people drop a file with creativity on the irc of mit club bitcoin with broken english language  and after some time mimble wimble...

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I think we haven't created something better than btc blockchain yet.


Be aware of this accounts they pop up by scammers.



i just fucking lazy but i can flood* this fourm with fake account, i just dont do it as i talk about interesting things and important...

while etfbitcoin probaly have 10 btc and feel smart while he even dont know how much protocols out there...

soon i jump to reddit, daily discussion

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tangrams/comments/c111se/iotas_dan_simerman_promotes_tangram_when_asked/

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I think we haven't created something better than btc blockchain yet.


Be aware of this accounts they pop up by scammers.



i just fucking lazy but i can flood* this fourm with fake account, i just dont do it as i talk about interesting things and important...

while etfbitcoin probaly have 10 btc and feel smart while he even dont know how much protocols out there...

soon i jump to reddit, daily discussion

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tangrams/comments/c111se/iotas_dan_simerman_promotes_tangram_when_asked/

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i log off, maybe we can meet baby? in london somewhere wembley

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