Hhampuz a DT member is Abusing the trust system?

[No HATE]

Hhampuz has recently been tagging applicants of the livecoin campaign, which is a unethical and a clear trust abuse.

There's no fair treatment, signature participants of yobit, sportsbet, and bitcasino which has been active for over a year were not being tagged because the community think it's the right thing to do.

What's the community action on this?

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[The Sceptical Chymist]

There's no fair treatment, signature participants of yobit, sportsbet, and bitcasino which has been active for over a year were not being tagged because the community think it's the right thing to do.

I don't know much about sportsbet or bitcasino, but there's at least a wee bit of controversy over whether Yobit is truly a scam exchange or not, plus there was some talk about DT members tagging Yobit campaign participants IIRC before the campaign was nuked by Theymos.  I suspect that if it continued, somebody would have started tagging Yobit campaigners.

Anyway, this is already being discussed in at least two other threads and many members have given their opinion on the matter.  I said I wouldn't be tagging Livecoin campaign participants but wouldn't stand in the way of anyone else doing it.  From what I gather, they're pretty scammy and I supported the flag against them, and I don't think members ought to be advertising for them. 

If sportsbet and bitcasino are scams and they have campaigns running, their participants are also not being responsible.  If they aren't getting tagged, they're just lucky they haven't been. 

[Hhampuz]

The community action should be this.

[JeromeTash]

He is right to tag them...
Why would they want to advertise an already proven scam?
The warnings were already there but instead the chose money over reputation of their accounts. You can't blame Hhampuz because from his perspective, he managed the campaign earlier on, the scam scandal happened, and he tried to advice the livecoin team to do the right thing which they refused to do so he has a right not to trust anyone who tries to participate in the proven scam.

[No HATE]

I said I wouldn't be tagging Livecoin campaign participants but wouldn't stand in the way of anyone else doing it.

That's not fair, you are a DT and you are aware of the trust abuse and you don't do anything about it?
He want's out, why keep him in the circle if he doesn't want to be in the circle? He doesn't like the system anymore so his judgement is not gonna be fair.

The community action should be this.

If sportsbet and bitcasino are scams and they have campaigns running, their participants are also not being responsible.  If they aren't getting tagged, they're just lucky they haven't been.  

Hhampuz isn't blind as he can do post counting, if he has balls, he would tagged this people.

The community action should be this.

A company employee who doesn't like to work anymore yet a company is still keeping him?
Bosses have to act on this, you are wasting your money retaining an ineffective employee, it would not result to benefit the company.


DT Members, lauda is looking for you to tag bitcasino, why are you hiding?

Bump. Where are the DT casino hunters? Oh wait, I'm wearing FJ's signature so I am obviously colluding.

[marlboroza]

That's not fair, you are a DT and you are aware of the trust abuse

Tagging scam advertisers is not trust abuse. I also see that hhampuz has removed negative from some accounts so it is not all black and white like you see it.

Next time try to post from real account and maybe people will take you more seriously.

Editing this, I noticed accounts who have their negative removed got positive instead. I can only say that this is not the right way. Neutral is appropriate.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Hhampuz has recently been tagging applicants of the livecoin campaign, which is a unethical and a clear trust abuse.

There's no fair treatment, signature participants of yobit, sportsbet, and bitcasino which has been active for over a year were not being tagged because the community think it's the right thing to do.

What's the community action on this?

I’ve been wearing the bitcasino.io avatar & sig for probably over 18 months now. At no point have I been made aware that they are scammers (because they’re not). bitcasino.io also own sportsbet.io who have just paid millions & millions of pounds to be the main shirt sponsor of Premier League football team Watford FC.

The only person calling bitcasino & sportsbet scammers is game-protect who has one of the worst trust ratings on the entire forum.

Stop trying to drag other people into your LiveCoin mess.

[The Cryptovator]

I am not getting OP intention. There is reason why Hhampuz is tagging, because there is open scam accusation and it's very recent. Hhampuz was campaign manager of Livecoin and he wasn't happy about reply of Livecoin team. That's why he left the campaign because Hhampuz think Livecoin is a scam exchange (since there is evidence). On that point he could leave negative feedback's to the participants. And I don't think this is trust abuse. If you think this is trust abuse you might distrust him.

[Vod]

Hhampuz has recently been tagging applicants of the livecoin campaign, which is a unethical and a clear trust abuse.

Just because you don't agree with trust feedback, does not make it abuse.  Please repeat that over and over, and add it to your signature when you can.

I would also suggest reading up on ethics.  Hhampuz probably does not have the same ethics as you since they vary by person and culture.  To billions of people, it is ethical to scam, as long as you pray to a sky fairy for forgiveness...

[hacker1001101001]

Just don't feed this troll, he is just stirring the drama here !

[Patatas]

Says an alt account which doesn't have the audacity to post from their main account. Stop entertaining him. I don't know why opinions of such shitbags are taken seriously and replied to.

OP You're a pussy and hiding behind an alt shows your sneaky was of doing things. Get the fuck out.

[LTU_btc]

First of all, Hhampuz asked to be removed from DT2. If he he would be removed from it, it would make all his tags meaningless. Personally I don't agree with his decision to tag Livecoin participants, but I can't call this as trust system abuse. Maybe you can call this as double standarts or something, but it's not trust abuse. You know what is trust abuse? It's something what game-protect did, he left negative trust to all people who are against him and called and in trust feedback he said that all of them abused children.
And maybe yahoo62278 and DarkStar_ abusing something too, because they blacklisted all Livecoin participants from their campaigns?

[yahoo62278]

And maybe yahoo62278 and DarkStar_ abusing something too, because they blacklisted all Livecoin participants from their campaigns?

That would be incorrect, we are not taking away anyone's freedom of choice. Users are free to join any campaign they want. We just will not work with those users and that's OUR choice.

All of you have a chance to be trustworthy users with morals, or you can choose to chase the money. Your decisions show your character and the type of person you are. Your decisions also show me if I want to work with you or not. No abuse is happening by me.

[No HATE]

Just don't feed this troll, he is just stirring the drama here !

Troll? How? You are trying to close your eyes so you can't see the injustice.

Made a post in the other thread reminding him...

EDIT1: Tagged all members that applied on the first page, will do 2nd page tomorrow.

It's time to tag other members as per schedule Hhampuz, I'm here to remind you if you forgotten.

Tag these DTs first and show us you are not afraid and fair.

1) Halmater
2) johhnyUA

And the rest is in the ss .https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Tv7tkG6SSwrSOyz8PlBpUNxslh7dTxKCcgXiu0sKu3A/edit#gid=0

His been online and did not bother to tagged other applicants, hmmm... I get it, only the first page applicants are promoting scam.  

I don't know why opinions of such shitbags are taken seriously and replied to.

Because they care for the community and you don't, you are the real troll here.

I’ve been wearing the bitcasino.io avatar & sig for probably over 18 months now. At no point have I been made aware that they are scammers (because they’re not).

For 18 months and you don't know about the scam accusation. You are old enough, go find it and read, then come back here, we will talk, remove your signature because you don't promote a business with scam accusations.

bitcasino.io also own sportsbet.io

No wonder they both have scam accusations?

[TECSHARE]

Hhampuz, you said you wanted to be excluded from the DT 1 and 2, which tells me you do not want to participate in the system, yet here you are leaving ratings. Which is it? Either you are out or you are in, you don't get to have a special boy class where you have one foot in and one foot out. If you want to participate in the trust system accept the responsibilities that come along with it, or mind your own business like you claim you wanted.

[Hhampuz]

Hhampuz, you said you wanted to be excluded from the DT 1 and 2, which tells me you do not want to participate in the system, yet here you are leaving ratings. Which is it? Either you are out or you are in, you don't get to have a special boy class where you have one foot in and one foot out. If you want to participate in the trust system accept the responsibilities that come along with it, or mind your own business like you claim you wanted.

I forgot that I had to run everything by you first tecshare... my bad. From now on I will make sure to send you weekly reports of my thoughts, my needs and most importantly what I consider to be trustworthy behaviour - or not.  Expect this report within 5-7 working days .

[ChiBitCTy]

The world isn't black and white, nor are DT members and all their actions. DT isn't a get together social club where everyone sits down and chats about every single forum issue over a beer each day, and then collectively agrees what to do.  It's also not all DT members duty to look in to any of this. Some will, some wont, some wont have time, some will be helping doing other stuff, and some won't be helping out anywhere.  DT isn't a technical job. Though many are great members who do help out a ton. 

If this were bitconnect I would likely tag campaign members until they left it. I was well versed on that topic so it makes sense.   Some DT members would refrain for whatever reasons that may be completely legit.  There's a lot going on here.  DT are not paid moderators here either. 

Using an alt account to bash Hhampuz is the latest thing to do it seems.  Clearly a coordinated effort of late. Buck up and post from your real account if you want to have any sort of legitimacy, which you won't because you would have already had your actual account been a legitimate one.

[mindrust]

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If this were bitconnect I would likely tag campaign members until they left it. I was well versed on that topic so it makes sense.   Some DT members would refrain for whatever reasons that may be completely legit.  There's a lot going on here.  DT are not paid moderators here either.  

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I've been thinking about this too. It is not like Livecoin scammed hundreds of people. This is an unprofessional exchange being run by amateurs who don't even know how to write a proper ToS or care enough to hire someone who knows how to do so.

Did Livecoin fuck izoomrud over? Yes they did indeed. (against izoomrud's claims they couldn't show any palpable defense)

But there are hundreds of those examples. There are shitton of locked account reports about poloniex as well. (or there used to be, I remember a few) But nobody from poloniex is around, nobody's running a sig camp for polo, so no noise.

Livecoin and their alt account got red'ed and flagged and...

I believe camp participants shouldn't be red trusted for that but on the other hand I don't want Livecoin promoting their exchange without solving the izoomrud's issue neither.

Tagging the participants is an extreme measure but not tagging them means Livecoin can do as they please like something haven't happened at all.

Hard to decide.

***All livecoin has to do is; unlock izoom's account. He probably won't be able withdraw any MONA's since there is no MONA's but I remember he told that he had btc on his account too. Let him withdraw and everybody's happy. About his MONA balance, I didn't hear anybody (at least around here in this forum) complaining about their mona balance. If it becomes a mass scamming by Livecoin, then sig camp participants should be tagged indeed.

[suchmoon]

Hhampuz, you said you wanted to be excluded from the DT 1 and 2, which tells me you do not want to participate in the system, yet here you are leaving ratings. Which is it? Either you are out or you are in, you don't get to have a special boy class where you have one foot in and one foot out. If you want to participate in the trust system accept the responsibilities that come along with it, or mind your own business like you claim you wanted.

The fuck are you babbling about? Anyone can and should post trust feedback as they deem necessary regardless of their willingness or fitness to be in DT.

[LTU_btc]

And maybe yahoo62278 and DarkStar_ abusing something too, because they blacklisted all Livecoin participants from their campaigns?

That would be incorrect, we are not taking away anyone's freedom of choice. Users are free to join any campaign they want. We just will not work with those users and that's OUR choice.

All of you have a chance to be trustworthy users with morals, or you can choose to chase the money. Your decisions show your character and the type of person you are. Your decisions also show me if I want to work with you or not. No abuse is happening by me.

I agree and I think it's better decision than tag Livecoin participants.
I just thought that's a bit strange that OP didn't said nothing against you both. Following his logic you also had to blacklist participants of Sportsbet, Bitcasino, Yobit, Betcoin and some other campaigns.