Claiming Bitcoin SV

[jerry0]

I kept btc in electrum when the bitcoin cash and bitcoin gold fork happened.  It wasn't till a while later that i got a nano ledger s that i then sent btc from my electrum to nano ledger s.



I claimed my bitcoin cash much much later as i wanted to know how things were before i did it.  I did this with electroncash.  This was not that that long ago.  Then sent the bitcoin cash to my nano ledger s.  I still have not claimed my bitcoin gold yet.  I read that i can use coinomi for this. 



How do i claim my bitcoin SV assuming when the bitcoin SV fork happened... i did not claim my bitcoin cash yet?  For example those ppl that already claimed their bitcoin cash a long time ago and say kept it in an exchange or electroncash, well there is a way to claim it since there is a place their bitcoin cash was at.  But what if you did not claim bitcoin cash yet at the time of the bitcoin sv fork?  Someone mentioned a while back you still get bitcoin SV... can someone confirm this? 



So basically the bitcoin cash would be located in electroncash at the time of the bitcoin SV fork?



Also im sure there are ppl out there that had btc at the time of the bitcoin cash and gold fork and still have not claimed their bitcoin cash or gold yet due to whatever reason.  These people still can get bitcoin SV in the future right?  I know back then when i asked about bitcoin cash claiming, people said there was no time limit to when you could claim it as it would always be in that address.  But what about bitcoin SV?



Can someone who claimed bitcoin SV that is in a similar situation tell me how did they do it?  Again, I claimed my bitcoin cash from electroncash... but this was after the bitcoin SV fork.  Im also curious but would this method to claim bitcoin SV be difference if say someone kept their btc in their nano ledger s or another type of wallet like electrum but still did not claim bitcoin cash yet?

[Rath_]

But what if you did not claim bitcoin cash yet at the time of the bitcoin sv fork?  Someone mentioned a while back you still get bitcoin SV... can someone confirm this?  

Nothing. It doesn't matter if you accessed BCH wallet before or after the fork. If the private key was in your possesion at the time of BSV fork then you have both coins.

I know back then when i asked about bitcoin cash claiming, people said there was no time limit to when you could claim it as it would always be in that address.  But what about bitcoin SV?

There is no time limit in this case.

Again, I claimed my bitcoin cash from electroncash... but this was after the bitcoin SV fork.

Your Bitcoin SV coins should still be available if the transaction was not replayed. Try downloading Electrum SV and importing the private key. There is no risk involved since you have already moved all of your funds to your Ledger device.

Im also curious but would this method to claim bitcoin SV be difference if say someone kept their btc in their nano ledger s or another type of wallet like electrum but still did not claim bitcoin cash

It looks like Electrum SV supports hardware devices so users would be able to access their wallets using it. However, there is no replay protection so Bitcoin Cash coins can be stolen if users don't take appriopriate steps. Note that Bitcoin SV has not implemented replay protection and that's why Ledger doesn't support it natively.

[bitmover]

Your text a bit confused...

Bitcoin SV is a Bitcoin Cash (BCH) Fork.

In other word, did you have BCH when the BSV fork took place? It was in November 15 of 2018. You need to have BCH in your wallet by that date. Did you have it, or did you already traded it to BTC by that time?

If you want to claim SV fork you need to be cautious, because BSV doesn't have replay protection, so you can spend both your coins without noticing. I don't know exactly how do you claim it, but Coinomi Wallet does support both forks and I thnk it is safe to claim from there (I would try in coinomi).

I found this link from Coinomi about this:

About replay protection:

There is no replay protection between the BCH (ABC) and the BSV chains. This means that, unless you properly "split" your coins, transactions you make with one of those coins will also be made on the other.

Sending unsplit BCH will result in the same amount of BSV being sent to the same address (and vice-versa). The receiving wallet may not be prepared to accept BSV into their address, so there is a possibility of loss of BSV coins. This is not an issue specific to Coinomi, as any other wallet you use is under the same risk.

How to split coins:

Splitting is only necessary if you had a positive BCH balance on November 15th 2018. If you received either BCH or BSV after that date, they are most likely already split.

Receive a new deposit into your BCH wallet of BCH that is already split. The easiest way is to receive BCH from an exchange.
After transaction from (1) is confirmed, copy your current BCH "receive" address and send your full BCH balance to it.
Done. This should be enough for your coins to be split. This process only has to be done once. After your coins are split, they are split forever, and further deposits you receive will also most likely already be split.

How to claim BSV coins:

Only do this if your coins are already split, otherwise the transaction will happen with both coins.
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https://coinomi.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/29000026274-bch-abc-bsv-fork-information-splitting

[jerry0]

Hi.  Yes i know bitcoin SV is a bitcoin cash fork. 


No i did not claim my bitcoin cash until earlier few months ago.  Thus when the BSV fork happened on that date you mentioned, I still didn't claim my bitcoin cash yet.  Is that a problem or not?  Because I read other ppl say that is no issue.  So are they wrong or not?


Thus had i claimed my bitcoin cash before the bitcoin SV fork happened and did not sell it and say kept my bitcoin cash in electroncash or nano ledger s, then i know you can claim the bitcoin SV.  But I didn't claim my bitcoin cash using electron cash until few months ago.  So would there be issue with this or not?  Someone mentioned even if you didn't claim bitcoin cash... your bitcoin cash is still in the electroncash waiting to be claimed?

[Rath_]

No i did not claim my bitcoin cash until earlier few months ago.  Thus when the BSV fork happened on that date you mentioned, I still didn't claim my bitcoin cash yet.  Is that a problem or not?

It's not a problem because those coins were on your (BCH) address at the time of the fork. It doesn't matter when you access them.

But I didn't claim my bitcoin cash using electron cash until few months ago.  So would there be issue with this or not?  Someone mentioned even if you didn't claim bitcoin cash... your bitcoin cash is still in the electroncash waiting to be claimed?

If you had BCH in Electrum at the time of the fork then download Electrum SV and you will be able to move those coins. Things will get a little bit more difficult if they were stored on Ledger.

[jerry0]

Hi there, i don't know anything about replay protection.


So you mean if i don't know what im doing, then i can screw it up?  


Well im sure there are other ppl that did not claim their bitcoin cash yet still right?  Let say they also had their btc in electrum as well but still as of now didn't claim bitcoin cash yet.  Then say they download electroncash and claim bitcoin cash.  So the way they now will claim bitcoin sv is same as me?  So most ppl have not claimed their bitcoin SV or something then?  When would it be safe to claim it without an issue?  That is one of the reasons i didn't claim my bitcoin cash till much much later because of fake bitcoin cash wallets etc.

[jerry0]

Oh wait I think i phrased a few things incorrectly.


So this is to confirm.



I kept my bitcoin in electrum.  My bitcoin was in electrum when the bitcoin cash and bitcoin gold fork happened.  I did not claim my bitcoin cash or gold until much later.



A while later, i got a nano ledger s.  I then sent my bitcoin to my nano ledger s.  Then when the Bitcoin SV fork happened, my bitcoin was in my nano ledger s still.  I still did not claim my bitcoin cash when the bitcoin SV fork happened.  It wasn't until few months ago, I then downloaded electroncash and then claimed my bitcoin cash from it.  Then i sent the bitcoin cash to my nano ledger s.  So i have bitcoin and bitcoin cash in my nano ledger s.



So based on that, is my BCH in electrum or nano ledger s?

[Rath_]

When would it be safe to claim it without an issue?

You can claim your BSV coins as long as you follow a few simple steps. Neither Bitcoin Cash nor Bitcoin SV will implement replay protection, so there is no point in waiting.

So based on that, is my BCH in electrum or nano ledger s?

Based on what you wrote, BSV coins are stored in your Electrum wallet while BCH ones are on the Ledger. This makes things a lot of easier because there is no risk of losing coins involved. Download Electrum SV, import the private key there and move your coins wherever you want. Your Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash coins are safe and nothing will happen to them because they are stored in a different wallet.

[bones261]

Based on what you wrote, BSV coins are stored in your Electrum wallet while BCH ones are on the Ledger. This makes things a lot of easier because there is no risk of losing coins involved. Download Electrum SV, import the private key there and move your coins wherever you want. Your Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash coins are safe and nothing will happen to them because they are stored in a different wallet.

The OP did not move the BCH until after the fork with BSV. Therefore the BSV may have been replayed and the output is now assigned to one of the private keys in the ledger. It is a pity that neither the BCH nor the BSV team will implement replay protection.

[Rath_]

The OP did not move the BCH until after the fork with BSV. Therefore the BSV may have been replayed and the output is now assigned to one of the private keys in the ledger.

There is a small chance that the transaction has been replayed since OP moved his BCH coins a few months after the BSV fork. Wasn't someone replaying all the transactions deliberately right after the fork happened?

It is a pity that neither the BCH nor the BSV team will implement replay protection.

Bitcoin Cash developers have no obligation to implement the replay protection. Would you demand the same from Bitcoin Core developers for each fork?

[bones261]

The OP did not move the BCH until after the fork with BSV. Therefore the BSV may have been replayed and the output is now assigned to one of the private keys in the ledger.

There is a small chance that the transaction has been replayed since OP moved his BCH coins a few months after the BSV fork. Wasn't someone replaying all the transactions deliberately right after the fork happened?

Unfortunately, I haven't been paying attention on what is going on with the BCH or BSV fork. I wouldn't doubt that the BSV miners would deliberately pull such a move, though.

It is a pity that neither the BCH nor the BSV team will implement replay protection.

Bitcoin Cash developers have no obligation to implement the replay protection. Would you demand the same from Bitcoin Core developers for each fork?

Probably not. However, the Bitcoin Core team usually doesn't implement contentious hard fork upgrades like the BCH and BSV teams are prone to do.

[jerry0]

Okay so because i didn't claim my bitcoin cash till few agos with electroncash, then that means there is chance i don't have any bitcoin sv?


So had i claimed my bitcoin cash before the Bitcoin SV fork date, and say kept my bitcoin cash in electroncash when the SV fork happened, this would been easier?  What if i had claim my bitcoin cash before SV fork date but then moved the Bitcoin cash to my nano ledger s.  Would that be the same or harder or easier?  I know ppl say that when you claim your bch from electroncash, you shoudl move it to your nano ledger s or move it to exchange.  Few ppl seem to say, keep it in electroncash as it seem most ppl say they remove electroncash from computer once they get their bitcoin cash.


So is there anyone else in same situation as me?  They did not claim bch until after the bitcoin SV fork happened?  I know there are definitely ppl that did not claim their bitcoin cash yet.  Anyone in my situation can tell me what they did?  Also talking about replay protection.  So that means if i do something wrong, then i dont get any bitcoin sv coins?  Or that means there is chance there is no bitcoin SV coin because i claimed my bitcoin cash later after the bitcoin sv fork?  So the only software i can use is that wallet?  Or i have other options?  I know when i claimed my bitcoin cash, i believe almost everyone said use electroncash but some ppl said there was other wallet you can use etc.  But i use electroncash since everyone say its best.

[bones261]

Okay so because i didn't claim my bitcoin cash till few agos with electroncash, then that means there is chance i don't have any bitcoin sv?

Even if your movement of BCH was replayed on both BCH and BSV, you should be able to obtain the private key that your BCH is assigned to and be able to import that into a BSV wallet. Then you will need to take steps to split the BCH and BSV coins.

So had i claimed my bitcoin cash before the Bitcoin SV fork date, and say kept my bitcoin cash in electroncash when the SV fork happened, this would been easier?  What if i had claim my bitcoin cash before SV fork date but then moved the Bitcoin cash to my nano ledger s.  Would that be the same or harder or easier?  I know ppl say that when you claim your bch from electroncash, you shoudl move it to your nano ledger s or move it to exchange.  Few ppl seem to say, keep it in electroncash as it seem most ppl say they remove electroncash from computer once they get their bitcoin cash.


So is there anyone else in same situation as me?  They did not claim bch until after the bitcoin SV fork happened?  I know there are definitely ppl that did not claim their bitcoin cash yet.  Anyone in my situation can tell me what they did?  Also talking about replay protection.  So that means if i do something wrong, then i dont get any bitcoin sv coins?  Or that means there is chance there is no bitcoin SV coin because i claimed my bitcoin cash later after the bitcoin sv fork?  So the only software i can use is that wallet?  Or i have other options?  I know when i claimed my bitcoin cash, i believe almost everyone said use electroncash but some ppl said there was other wallet you can use etc.  But i use electroncash since everyone say its best.

If you had claimed your BCH before the BSV fork and moved it to your ledger, you could have been in the exact same situation. You would have to get the private key from the ledger and import it into a BSV wallet and then take steps to split the coins.

[jerry0]

Well those ppl that claimed their bitcoin cash a long time ago before the bitcoin SV fork and assuming they did not sell their bitcoin cash, where did most ppl then keep their bitcoin cash then?  Wouldn't it be safe to say most ppl kept it in either nano ledger s or an exchange?



Also unrelated to this, but those that kept bitcoin in their nano ledger s when the bitcoin cash and gold fork happened, was it easy or hard for them to claim the bch and bitcoin gold?



Also i believe if you kept bitcoin cash in binance at the time of bitcoin sv fork, binance gave you bitcoin sv directly... is that true?  So the best place to have kept your bitcoin cash when the bitcoin SV fork happened was binance?

[bones261]

Well those ppl that claimed their bitcoin cash a long time ago before the bitcoin SV fork and assuming they did not sell their bitcoin cash, where did most ppl then keep their bitcoin cash then?  Wouldn't it be safe to say most ppl kept it in either nano ledger s or an exchange?



Also unrelated to this, but those that kept bitcoin in their nano ledger s when the bitcoin cash and gold fork happened, was it easy or hard for them to claim the bch and bitcoin gold?



Also i believe if you kept bitcoin cash in binance at the time of bitcoin sv fork, binance gave you bitcoin sv directly... is that true?  So the best place to have kept your bitcoin cash when the bitcoin SV fork happened was binance?

I had a trezor, which made it nice and easy to claim both BCH and Bitcoin Gold. However, AFAIK, trezor hasn't offered an easy way to split coins for more of the forks. Therefore, I have not bothered claiming all of the other forks.

[HCP]

Well those ppl that claimed their bitcoin cash a long time ago before the bitcoin SV fork and assuming they did not sell their bitcoin cash, where did most ppl then keep their bitcoin cash then?  Wouldn't it be safe to say most ppl kept it in either nano ledger s or an exchange?

You keep asking "what do most people do?" for pretty much everything relating to crypto.

I've tried to explain to you several times... there is NO definitive answer to that question... No one can answer this. Different people store their coins in different ways... some people use desktop wallets, some use web wallets, some use mobile wallets, some use paper wallets, some use hardware wallets, some keep their crypto on exchanges.

There is no one single correct/perfect way of storing your crypto that works for all use-cases for all people... ok?

Also unrelated to this, but those that kept bitcoin in their nano ledger s when the bitcoin cash and gold fork happened, was it easy or hard for them to claim the bch and bitcoin gold?

BCH was easy, as Ledger specifically coded in stuff for it... I think BTG *might* have also supported extracting BTG from your old legacy BTC addresses, but it was a long time ago and I can't really remember.

Also i believe if you kept bitcoin cash in binance at the time of bitcoin sv fork, binance gave you bitcoin sv directly... is that true?  So the best place to have kept your bitcoin cash when the bitcoin SV fork happened was binance?

Who cares? It makes no difference to you, as you obviously didn't have BCH on binance... so it can't possibly help you now.

Saying that it was "best to have bch on Binance at the bitcoin sv fork" is pure hindsight. There was ZERO guarantee that binance (or any exchange) were going to support SV or provide coins after a fork. As always, the safest option is to make sure you have (sole) access to the private keys.

Having the private keys absolutely 100% guarantees that you will be able to access fork coins... having an account balance on an exchange means you are completely at the mercy of that exchange. If they choose not to support the fork or provide access to the fork coins, you get nothing.

[jerry0]

Hey all.  So I like to update this thread again... as I still did not claim my bitcoin SV... nor even my bitcoin gold yet.



So right now to claim my bitcoin SV, download Electrum SV... then make sure i have my electrum seed... and type that in electrum SV... and then once I do that... my bitcoin SV will appear in my Electrum SV wallet... is that correct?


So its like when I downloaded electroncash a while back... typed in my electrum seed... then my BCH appeared in the electron cash wallet?  Then i sent the bch to the nano ledger s.


So claiming the bitcoin SV is very simple in my situation... even though when all those forks happened... bch, btg, and then bitcoin sv happened... i didn't do anything until much later on?  Again, I didn't claim my bch until last year or so when it could have been claimed much earlier.


So is bitcoin sv as simple as typing in my electrum seed and that is all?  It should have nothing to do with my ledger seed right?  Again if you read my original post, my situation is bit different because I didn't claim anything until much later on... thus right now, i still haven't claimed sv nor gold yet.

[HCP]

Yes.

Download ElectrumSV... restore wallet using old BTC Electrum seed. Pick the appropriate script type (most likely "legacy") and Bitcoin SV should just automagically display the available coins which you'll be free to do whatever with.

Same with Bitcoin Gold... download ElectrumG (https://bitcoingold.org/electrumg/) and restore using your old BTC Electrum seed.

As your BTC has already been moved to other wallets, you will not have to worry about replay attacks etc.

[jerry0]

Yes.

Download ElectrumSV... restore wallet using old BTC Electrum seed. Pick the appropriate script type (most likely "legacy") and Bitcoin SV should just automagically display the available coins which you'll be free to do whatever with.

Same with Bitcoin Gold... download ElectrumG (https://bitcoingold.org/electrumg/) and restore using your old BTC Electrum seed.

As your BTC has already been moved to other wallets, you will not have to worry about replay attacks etc.

HCP thanks.  In my case, do you suggest i start with bitcoin sv first or bitcoin gold?  Back then i remember ppl said for bitcoin gold, just download coinomi on your iphone and its simple.  But i read a thread a while back where someone kept all their coins in coinomi and got hacked... you read that story?  So because of that, don't try coinomi on the iphone?


Also when you say type my old btc electrum seed... thats for the bitcoin SV wallet as well?  So the seed in electroncash when i claimed my bch means absolutely nothing?


And yes i do not have any coins in any of the wallets, electrum nor electroncash anymore.  Im guessing the ppl who claimed bitcoin sv a lot earlier, didn't use electrumSV right because it wasn't out yet?  As you know me... i like to wait a long time until the dust settles until i claim any forks... i didn't want to be one of the first ppl trying to claim the bitcoin cash, gold etc early.




Also... did you claim both bitcoin sv and gold with these two methods?  Or you did it differently because it was a while back?  Did you also had btc in electrum at time of forks or you had it in the nano ledger s?


So once i claim both bitcoin sv and gold... you suggest i move the coins or just keep both coins in their wallets?  I mean, i know i can move bitcoin gold to the nano ledger s... but it doesn't work with bitcoin SV right?  So i have to keep bitcoin sv in the electrum sv wallet? 

[HCP]

- Put Electrum seed mnemonic into Electrum SV -> Get Bitcoin SV (do whatever you want with it, You could try using it with Nano S, but I'm fairly sure that Ledger don't support it natively within Ledger Live, you need to use Electrum SV+Nano S)

- Put Electrum seed mnemonic into ElectrumG -> Get Bitcoin Gold (again, do whatever you want with it, BTG is supported natively in Ledger Live, so you can just use that if you want to store your BTG with the Nano S)


I wouldn't hold them where they are, as you're possibly compromising the security of the coins by putting the seed mnemonic into various wallet applications... ElectrumSV and ElectrumG have not been reported as "scams" or malicious as far as I'm aware, but if you have a significant amount of value stored in them, you're better off moving the coins relatively quickly.

Again, you can't use BSV natively in Ledger Live, so you'd need to create a new wallet in ElectrumSV, "Use a hardware device" etc as per here: https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012270054-Bitcoin-SV-BSV-