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July 29, 2019, 08:45:05 PM
Last edit: July 31, 2019, 11:04:38 AM by bigtimespaghetti
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TLDR: Crypto832 is a nasty piece of work who lied to me about his identity to act as a middleman to skim profit. Then accuses me of scamming him when he was not even the recipient of the miner I sold.

I will keep this short and to the point as possible and let the DM logs speak for themselves. I am creating this topic preemptively as I value my forum profile and it would be a shame to see my reputation marred by an incident with such a vitriolic and unpleasant individual. Though truly I am not concerned about a conman like Crypto832. I still want my side of the story told.

Long story short, I agreed to sell my X2 miner to Crypto832 - also of the discord handle jrc832. My discord is snatly. The guy was pushy but I had recently became a new father and didn’t want the hassle of driving to a data centre to get the miner hosted. The price was low, but I figured that I could just post it and that would be the end of it. Boy was I wrong. The initial trade fell through due to disagreements on price and me being unable to guarantee certain conditions as at one point the miner was not in hand- so I could not guarantee it would be declared low value to avoid import taxes from China. But he was still sniffing around interested (now I know why) and we agreed on another trade, direct without escrow- this time I had the miner in hand and could guarantee certain aspects of the trade with him.

The problems began:

The track and trace service I used got delayed, so Crypto832 started getting a little pushy - he wanted damages for lost revenue. I figured it wasn’t unreasonable and provided a partial refund of close to 3-4 days of mining revenue (please see log pics). Time passed and the delay lengthened to almost 14 days. After this point I was continually accused of scamming him, intentionally shipping the miner slowly to screw him over and of course further reparations were demanded.
Now mister Crypto832 aka jrc832 on discord had already got a dang decent deal on the miner, I paid shipping and gave him some extra for the delay. Until the miner was delivered (and after) he continued his unhinged haranguing asking for another refund and threatening me with scam flags and negative feedback. At this point I was suspicious of his intentions, but offered him apologies and the chance to return the miner. Of course this would not work because he was not the actual recipient of the miner I sent.
Shortly after this another member of the forum informed me that Crypto832 had infact sold the miner forward and had no intention of using it himself having made a tidy profit acting as a middleman hustling- getting me (unbeknownst) to forward it directly to *his* customer.
Bittawm informed me of this and requested we get in a group chat to try and iron this out- since we all knew each other I didn’t think it would be a problem. In this chat Bittawm called Crypto832 out for his shady dealings and the conversation quickly descended into homosexual slurs (lol really are we in highschool buddy?) and of course, the favourite go-to scam accusations.
And that is where I chose leave this interaction, having lived up to my side of the trade but somehow still scamming in his opinion.

The middle man hustle isn’t what I’m bothered by, hats off to him for doing that leg work- even if he executed it in what I consider it to be an incredibly shady and dishonest manner. But what I do take task with is accusing me of dishonest dealings, of being a scammer and actually threatening me to basically pay up or face the consequences of a scam flag. Well as many of you know I treat everyone with respect and honour my commitments here on bitcointalk and I refused to be bullied by a member who spins up multiple accounts and in the process of the trade tries to shake me down in the process.

Below are the chat logs which I feel speak for themselves. Shout out to Bittawm for uncovering these strange dealings.

For the sake of brevity I will not post the initial chats and dealings I had for the initial trade. The conversation here begins while I am informing him that the miner looks like it was hosted in a dirty shed in China rather than an actual data centre. dox info has been blacked out.













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I'll let the logs to the talking. Self moderating this thread as I'm sure this will get a bee in someone in particular's butt.

See more on this joker here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5127170.msg51988115#msg51988115

Also in his negative feedback on my profile he said I was not responding to DMs, after being called all manner of things on discord and knowing that the end customer and recipient of the miner was not him I ignored his message. I know bittawn is doing everything to make things right with the end customer who has a legitimate problem with the miner that needs to be resolved.




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July 29, 2019, 08:59:57 PM
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100% support Big Time

100% avoid JRC

please see this discussion about jrc and his alts and dodgy behavior:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5152921.msg51997962#msg51997962

Please see how jrc tried to accuse me of scamming, please note we caught out this liar:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5127170.msg51990903#msg51990903


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July 30, 2019, 02:34:38 AM
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yea this guy is proven over and over to be a liar... I notice a lot of his posts are disappearing all over the forums - good thing they were quoted...

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Well I wouldn't go so far as saying not a scammer. Up until reviewing your chat logs they seemed to have skirted the line and been more of a nuisance than anything. I would argue them coming after you for lost mining rewards is a scam in itself, unless I missed something here. They were never planning on receiving the gear or mining with it.

If they claim to have been doing so because their customer was demanding it, I see no difference. They didn't disclose that, they still passed it off as their lost mining rewards. Their customer could justifiably seek something like that given they paid a premium for the miner, doesn't mean you were responsible for reparations based on their deal.

Just want to make sure that I got it all straight though. This deal was separate from the bittawn sale from the other thread. Either way looks like 2 deals where there was some issue that had been addressed and actions taken or offered to make things right. Either way Crypto832 and alts are keeping true to form, spreading lies and wasting time.

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Well I wouldn't go so far as saying not a scammer. Up until reviewing your chat logs they seemed to have skirted the line and been more of a nuisance than anything. I would argue them coming after you for lost mining rewards is a scam in itself, unless I missed something here. They were never planning on receiving the gear or mining with it.

If they claim to have been doing so because their customer was demanding it, I see no difference. They didn't disclose that, they still passed it off as their lost mining rewards. Their customer could justifiably seek something like that given they paid a premium for the miner, doesn't mean you were responsible for reparations based on their deal.

Just want to make sure that I got it all straight though. This deal was separate from the bittawn sale from the other thread. Either way looks like 2 deals where there was some issue that had been addressed and actions taken or offered to make things right. Either way Crypto832 and alts are keeping true to form, spreading lies and wasting time.

he kept the mining rewards and did not pass it on to his end customer, I know because I am talking with his customer.

yes it was a separate sale


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July 30, 2019, 04:54:21 AM
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he kept the mining rewards and did not pass it on to his end customer, I know because I am talking with his customer.
yes it was a separate sale

Okay so that to me says they scammed bigtimespaghetti. They lied to create the illusion they had been wronged and then took funds they knew they weren't entitled to. The amount doesn't matter not that 80$ is insignificant.

Never dealt with either of you but the chat logs do show your the sort of people I'd happily trade with.

I personally would support a scam flag on this user if bigtimespaghetti creates one. It has to be created by the party who was scammed. If you do create one this thread should work for the link and just update here that you created it and I'll support it when I can.

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There are financial damages (you paying him for lost mining revenue while he already re-sold the miner) so there is enough reason to create a scammer flag. I'll definitely support it.

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There are financial damages (you paying him for lost mining revenue while he already re-sold the miner) so there is enough reason to create a scammer flag. I'll definitely support it.

as would I - I have already supported another flag on both these user id's

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@Stryfe @TheNewAnon135246 thanks for the support. I guess it was a scam thinking about it, seemed extreme to call it like that - I'll change the title. Could not remove the moderation from this topic so I linked to a post with comment linking to this about Crypto832, not sure if that is strictly correct. Here's the flag I made:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=528




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While i wouldn't touch Crypto832 with a barge-pole, I somehow think your feedback is inappropriate and you might want to modify it

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Guy was not honest in his dealings with me - sold the miner forward as a middle man without disclosing

Business ethics might be different from a region/culture to another, I think most people don't have a problem with a middle man not disclosing it, your rights as a seller is to get the money you were promised and it ends there, while I do believe that it's best to be 100% honest when doing business, logic states that whether he resell it, uses it or even burns it- should not really matter to you, keeping the END of the deal is what matters in most cases.

But this part is why I supported the flag

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I figured it wasn’t unreasonable and provided a partial refund of close to 3-4 days of mining revenue

Which he then kept instead of sending to the customer, this is why i think dealing with him is "high risk".


By the way, you are more generous than Bitmain , they would tell him "The miner is yours once it's shipped, we are not responsible for any damage or loss of anything you order from us."

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@Stryfe @TheNewAnon135246 thanks for the support.
I personally would support a scam flag on this user if bigtimespaghetti creates one.

Ugggh, I have never not been so personally unoffended ... wait I'm lost. The flag was completely valid. I think it's shitty you had to deal with the guy and got taken for the coin - nice gesture on your part as the seller - , but am glad that we have things that could stick on this user, and you were willing to follow through with the legwork to flag them.

While i wouldn't touch Crypto832 with a barge-pole, I somehow think your feedback is inappropriate and you might want to modify it
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Guy was not honest in his dealings with me - sold the miner forward as a middle man without disclosing
Business ethics might be different from a region/culture to another, I think most people don't have a problem with a middle man not disclosing it, your rights as a seller is to get the money you were promised and it ends there, while I do believe that it's best to be 100% honest when doing business, logic states that whether he resell it, uses it or even burns it- should not really matter to you, keeping the END of the deal is what matters in most cases.

Not sure if it's changed since you posted but with thh rest of the feedback I would say it was a valid. The remainder iswhre it shows the shadiness and puts the scenario well within "Negative - You think that trading with this person is high-risk."
I would go so far that even without the remainder that could stand. Not being told that the miner was shipping to someone other than the purchaser can make for a lot of logistical issues with tracking and delivery. This could make dealing with someone "risky". If they were to receive it then turn around and resell, then yes not an issue at all.

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Guy was not honest in his dealings with me - sold the miner forward as a middle man without disclosing and then pretended to be out of pocket himself when the miner was delayed in transit. Scammed me out of some btc for 'lost' earnings.
Please see linked topic with chat logs.

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July 31, 2019, 11:29:31 PM
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Not being told that the miner was shipping to someone other than the purchaser can make for a lot of logistical issues with tracking and delivery. This could make dealing with someone "risky".

Think of it as "Drop-shipping" ,  while it could certainly create some logistical issues, it's not scammy per se, if the deal went smooth and then later on OP found out about his miner being shipped to another person, would he still call Crypto832 a scammer just for that reason? probably no.

Many if not most online resellers conduct business in this manner, as long as the buyer receives their goods as described and the seller gets all the money they asked for  , technically there is no reason why the reseller/middleman should be obligated to lay out all the details to both parties, however he must be held responsible if something was to go wrong.

pointing out that he was a middleman without disclosing it in a negative feedback could potentially confuse the reader, IMO any point that does not relate to scam in itself should not be in a negative feedback, for example no point saying "member x is fat and he did not send me 2 btc for my 0.1 btc" , taking out the first part still shows that member x is a scammer, saying he is fat only does not indicate scam, so if the feed back consisted of only the below quoted part

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Will you still think it's appropriate? if you answer No, then there really is not reason for it to be there in the first place -

TL;DR given the fact the many members don't really read the reference topic, I think it's always best to keep the  feedback as accurate as possible.

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Think of it as "Drop-shipping" ,  while it could certainly create some logistical issues, it's not scammy per se, if the deal went smooth and then later on OP found out about his miner being shipped to another person, would he still call Crypto832 a scammer just for that reason? probably no. ~snip~
pointing out that he was a middleman without disclosing it in a negative feedback could potentially confuse the reader, IMO any point that does not relate to scam in itself should not be in a negative feedback, for example no point saying "member x is fat and he did not send me 2 btc for my 0.1 btc" , taking out the first part still shows that member x is a scammer, saying he is fat only does not indicate scam, so if the feed back consisted of only the below quoted part

I get what you are saying, but just because th eoverall feedback is negative doesn't mean that every drop ship reseller is scammy. In this instance it helps to paint the entire picture of their transaction and shows important details leading up to the scam. In your example you are using a persons physical appearance/qualities in this sort of instance it wouldn't be relevant. Now if the person had catfished somebody then laying in their physical attributed might make sense.

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Will you still think it's appropriate? if you answer No, then there really is not reason for it to be there in the first place -
TL;DR given the fact the many members don't really read the reference topic, I think it's always best to keep the  feedback as accurate as possible.

If that's all that's in there and the reference thread only points to a topic with no scam then it would be appropriate for neutral. That takes me a bit off-topic. Like you said if people aren't going to follow through and read the reference thread shouldn't the feedback include as many details as possible, including the background details of the deal that allowed the scam to take place. We may just differ on what we consider important details and "fluff" but I do respect your stance.

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August 07, 2019, 03:08:41 PM
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I made clear that I wasn't bothered by the middle-man part (even if completed in a shady manner IMO) Crypto832 repeatedly lied to me about being the end customer- plenty in logs that I did not share too which were frankly bizarre to get me to sell to him (supposedly).

I was never going to post this topic until I found out that he was grifting me for his so called 'lost earnings'. Guy was just trying his luck trying to scare me with negative feedback even when I offered him a full refund if he returned the miner.

But all the same, thanks for the support mikeywith Smiley




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August 07, 2019, 06:01:51 PM
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when I texted jrc209 about the negative feedback he left us all because of his alt (crypto832) he told me he didnt even have access to the account and that he didnt even run the computer shop anymore and that he was now in law enforcement - his next text was to tell me he got back in the account and removed all the negative feedback..... then he had a friend of his pretend to be a cop and text me - I wish I had kept those texts lol

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He has not removed any of our negative feedback, the end customer doesn't even want to leave negative feedback.


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August 09, 2019, 12:15:56 AM
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He has not removed any of our negative feedback, the end customer doesn't even want to leave negative feedback.

ahh I was referring to the three of us jrc209 left negative feedback on because we commented against crypto832 as detailed here in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5152921.msg51872646#msg51872646

I believe the 4 or 5 people he did it to are the ones he removed. and I think it was mainly because he used the JRC account to leave negative feedback based on the crypto account.

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