We need to listen to each other and leave behind the bitter days of bcash fork and faketoshi.
We'd love to do that, believe me, but some of the very users in this topic keep regurgitating faketoshi's nauseating false arguments and lies. If we could consign that nonsense to the history books and move forward, that would be great. But it seems some people can't help but drag their heels and live in the past, namely the period of time prior to SegWit being activated. I'll start listening if they ever get with the times.
That's not going to happen any time soon because as you said, they loved the past where there were no such forks and less people claiming to be Satoshi, but when we are discussing the network here I'd like to dive in my nose by saying that when it's about consensus, we're still biased on whether to go on with the current rules or to change them where most people instead of trying to talk on how we can cut the size of Blockchain and get it going at the same or even better pace ahead, they just spoke in favor of block resizing which gave birth to forks like bcash and the birth of bullshit because it fetched a lot of popularity and fame to both of those Faketoshis. I don't get it why everyone asks for a higher blockchain size? Are their PCs ready to take it what BC has to give in the near future? Gigs, then TBs day after day it's scaring me of the size but we can do something to prevent this, not by adding extra space to the blocks because even if orphaned blocks take place, they'll still possess the same size even without a single transaction being processed.