Coinhe - scammed bounty hunters

[lolgato1]

Hello, I would like report this exchange: https://coinhe.io/ that they scammed bounty hunters.
Bounty campaign: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103963.0
Bounty campaign took place in January - February. They distributed rewards to our Coinhe accounts, after that they said that there is lockup period and unlocking tokens will begin in August. But they changed their mind and asked us to do KYC.
https://blog.coinhe.io/coinhe-official-announcement-bounty-policy/ - as you can see they posted it 3 weeks ago, but they give us only 1 week to get informed about that and pass KYC process. Only 1 week after you waiting 7 months and checking news..
And that is not enough. They didn´t want to allow bounty participants enjoy their tokens because they didn´t approve KYC of many accounts, proof:

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Well your reputation on the forum makes me question this accusation of yours. But since it has to do with delay of bounty payment just to come up with some silly excuses to denial bounty hunters of their payment, I would have to assume your accusation is correct because we have experience similar scenario with the exact same technique and well the image evidence look convincing.

Still, I can't leave a negative feedback on that account you linked in OP since I see no reason to tagged the user unless he's an accomplice (directly involved). From the post history of the account, it's just an ANN and bounty thread creator. Does the project have any direct account on the forum, if it does add it to the OP but if it doesn't them the issue of tagging the only representing account has to be debatable.

[Patatas]

Well your reputation on the forum makes me question this accusation of yours.

That's a wrong way to look at things. An ad-hominem fallacy to be specific. They can be a scammer but show relevant proofs about another service being a scam.

@OP: Create a flag, link their relevant threads in the post and DT will do what ie required. You can create a level-3 flag as you are in direct violation of a contract with them.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Well your reputation on the forum makes me question this accusation of yours.

That's a wrong way to look at things. An ad-hominem fallacy to be specific. They can be a scammer but show relevant proofs about another service being a scam.

Don't misunderstand me, I didn't discard his accusation, i only aired my opinion. I was willing to leave a negative feedback for the project to get alerted and maybe defend themselves but since the account linked in OP was not directly involved in the scam, the tagging or flagging of that account is debatable.

I believe, with other affected hunters and not just one individual this accusation would have enough support especially as the accuser have proven himself in the past to be an untrustworthy individual to the community & there must have been more than one affected user on the forum. Hope you don't mind alerting them about this accusation via the group to strengthen your claims.

[lolgato1]

Well your reputation on the forum makes me question this accusation of yours.

That's a wrong way to look at things. An ad-hominem fallacy to be specific. They can be a scammer but show relevant proofs about another service being a scam.

@OP: Create a flag, link their relevant threads in the post and DT will do what ie required. You can create a level-3 flag as you are in direct violation of a contract with them.

Thank you for your unbiased view.
But I do not know how to create flag, I find it in Trust summary page, or?

[Patatas]

Well your reputation on the forum makes me question this accusation of yours.

That's a wrong way to look at things. An ad-hominem fallacy to be specific. They can be a scammer but show relevant proofs about another service being a scam.

@OP: Create a flag, link their relevant threads in the post and DT will do what ie required. You can create a level-3 flag as you are in direct violation of a contract with them.

Thank you for your unbiased view.
But I do not know how to create flag, I find it in Trust summary page, or?

Here to be specific: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;addflag=729028 [That's your profile btw, you've to find their profile on bitcointalk and open one]

Navigate to their trust page -> Post New feedback -> Click on that hyper-link which says add flag.

Don't misunderstand me, I didn't discard his accusation, i only aired my opinion. I was willing to leave a negative feedback for the project to get alerted and maybe defend themselves but since the account linked in OP was not directly involved in the scam, the tagging or flagging of that account is debatable.

It's all good bud. I tried to find the account in question through their bounty page but not able to do so. Wouldn't make much difference if they don't have any official account or thread here.

[rosezionjohn]

Who will the bounty participants create a flag against though? The creator of both Coinhe ANN and Bounty thread has not been active since February 2019. We don't even know if he/she is also aware of the changes in policy.

I still archived the bounty thread just in case https://archive.is/b34k9 KYC wasn't even mentioned there.

EDIT: I found the Coinhe main BTT account to be tagged https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2351689 It hasn't been online for almost a month

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

I found the Coinhe main BTT account to be tagged https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2351689 It hasn't been online for almost a month

Thanks for this information, irrespective of account been active or not it'll still be tagged to alert future patronizers about the shady behavior of the project. If they can treat their promoters this way then the investors aren't an exception.

OP follow this steps explained by @Patatas to create a flag or click on this link; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;addflag=2351689 the rest procedures are self explanatory. Already left a negative feedback on account though.

[lolgato1]

Thank you for your help guys, you are so nice!
Here is the flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=641
Also sent a message on telegram and asked them to state what really happened.

[bittraffic]

That's how they would do now when bounty hunters are at their mercy. During the marketing campaign time they were very open and replying to people inquiring about them. No KYC required as they said but now that its time to settle fees to the bounty hunters they now purge thru mandatory KYC. Very sketchy team. With the Flag thread, I'm sure a lot will support it. 

[rosezionjohn]

Here is the flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=641

Flag supported. If you want to gather more support, try to post your flag at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153445.msg51438915#msg51438915 Don't forget to read the OP. I hope you get enough support and get favorable response from coinhe team.

[CoinHe]

Dear all,

Firstly, many thanks for your support and your comment that aims to help us make CoinHe better and better.

About our Bounty campaign, we also appreciate your participation and help. Following the terms and conditions we came up from the beginning of the campaign, we have to remove some cheaters to protect the fairness for the trusted bounty hunter.
Please view our pieces of evidence here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1g1z4QRVlrVsveeboY4PeX7pmg1kZSAua?usp=sharing

Besides, we also believed that KYC will not only help us know more about you but also useful for you in case your account is hacked. Preparing for releasing Bounty campaign, our support team was efforted to work nearly 24 hours per day and most of your KYC is checked and approved within 24 hours. Moreover, we also reminded users regularly on our channels (at least 5 times/ day before releasing CHT), especially on telegram.

For the case of this topic creator, we also tried to support him and we are so sorry for this inconvenient when can not notify all users sooner.

If you have any questions or recommendations for CoinHe project, please do not hesitate to contact us via Support Center or telegram @CoinHe_Support.
We are always looking forward to companion with you in the past, the present and the future.

Many thanks & Best regards,
CoinHe Team

[crwth]

I understand that there are some people who are cheating the bounty program, and probably, having to use the KYC to negate all of it is great and understandable. Especially, those who are willing to go through the process to get the reward.

I also checked the google drive. I think not every bounty hunter was cheated on because of your evidence but in this CASE I don't think it's necessary and it doesn't help the concerned because they have been neglected or haven't been given a chance to submit their KYC because of your failure to notify. See the quote below.

For the case of this topic creator, we also tried to support him and we are so sorry for this inconvenient when can not notify all users sooner.

My main concern with the actions of CoinHe is the part where I don't agree. They should be given a chance to submit their KYC if you acknowledge that you weren't able to notify the bounty hunters. See the bolded text. If you knew that you weren't able to notify earlier, have an adjustment for them.

[rosezionjohn]

About our Bounty campaign, we also appreciate your participation and help. Following the terms and conditions we came up from the beginning of the campaign, we have to remove some cheaters to protect the fairness for the trusted bounty hunter.
Please view our pieces of evidence here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1g1z4QRVlrVsveeboY4PeX7pmg1kZSAua?usp=sharing

What does KYC have anything to do with participants deleted tweets/posts?  Seriously, do you even need to see their personal information just to check their if they deleted their previous works?

Besides, we also believed that KYC will not only help us know more about you but also useful for you in case your account is hacked.

Lame excuse.

Preparing for releasing Bounty campaign, our support team was efforted to work nearly 24 hours per day and most of your KYC is checked and approved within 24 hours. Moreover, we also reminded users regularly on our channels (at least 5 times/ day before releasing CHT), especially on telegram.

Again, it doesn't matter if your team nearly worked 24 hours. Do not try to play victim and gain sympathy  here. The point is you did not require them to perform KYC when the campaign started and you are also did not give them ample time to complete it when you decided to enforce it.

If you have any questions or recommendations for CoinHe project

Yeah, pay all legit hunters without the KYC.