La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2025/26

[hahay]

The league is still in early phase but it is not difficult to see that this year too is going to be real Madrid vs the Barcelona till the end. Last year the gap was more prominent and Barcelona never exactly caught with real Madrid. There was third option called girona. This year it seems to be full league long competition between the two top teams. With equal matches played Barcelona is three points ahead of Real Madrid and they also have better goal difference. Real Madrid is back in form as a team and is highly unlikely to loose points.
Upcoming El classico would be determintal in finding which of them is the better team.

Considering the schedules that Barcelona and Real Madrid have before the El Clasico match, it seems that Barcelona is in a more difficult situation. Because after all, Barcelona will play against Bayern Munich, while Real Madrid will play against Dortmund but, in the El Clasico match later Barcelona will play away and also Barcelona will have less rest time compared to Real Madrid. With these differences, Real Madrid should have better planning and fitness  of course compared to Barcelona.

Also, based on the odds currently available, it is also clear that Real Madrid is the favorite team, because their current odds are Real Madrid @ 1.95 and Barcelona @ 3.50. But even so, it seems that I personally am still confident that Barcelona will not lose in this El Clasico match, because I think Barcelona is still in a good situation under Flick.

[Zlantann]

The league is still in early phase but it is not difficult to see that this year too is going to be real Madrid vs the Barcelona till the end. Last year the gap was more prominent and Barcelona never exactly caught with real Madrid. There was third option called girona. This year it seems to be full league long competition between the two top teams. With equal matches played Barcelona is three points ahead of Real Madrid and they also have better goal difference. Real Madrid is back in form as a team and is highly unlikely to loose points.
Upcoming El classico would be determintal in finding which of them is the better team.

Girona has been struggling to make an impact in La Liga; rather, we are seeing Atletico Madrid pushing to maintain the third position. On Saturday, Girona lost the game with Real Sociedad, and they are currently in the 12th position. Meanwhile, Barcelona is taking advantage of the reduction in Real Madrid's performance and are now three points ahead.  The league is still open because there are still lots of games to play, so if Barca and Madrid keep playing well, other teams might take their places.

I read that Carlo Ancelotti has no plan to bring in new players by January, so the poor performance of the defense might continue until injured players recover or the available players improve. I don't know Hansi Flick's transfer plans, but if they can get the players they are rumored to be targeting, Barca will be in a good position to unseat Real Madrid as champions.

[KTChampions]

Bookmakers still consider Real as clear favourites  
But I have to admit that the state of Real Madrid's defense scares me, and the number of goals that Barcelona have scored in La Liga is impressive, no club in the top leagues is even close in this indicator, Bayern have scored only 24 goals and Barcelona 33.
But against this background, Real's odds seem very profitable to make a cash bet.

I don’t know why the bookmakers are still favouring Real Madrid in this game, could it be that they can see things more clearly than what we are just seeing from the team, I doubt so much about that. Barcelona are goal machine this season and that can be seen from the number of goals they’ve scored this season so far. Real Madrid defense is poor actually and if Barcelona should mount them at any chance they get at goal, they may not be able to resist all and would definitely allow some of them to go into the net. The match is still very uncertain until we see what each team has to offer in this match.

Well, bookmakers have a long-term assessment of the situation, roughly speaking at the beginning of the season they assessed Real as a clear favorite and for this assessment to change extraordinary events must occur or the number of games until the end of the season must be small.
In fact, I rather agree with the bookmakers - if in this particular match everything is not so clear-cut, then in the long term Real has huge potential for growth (they are in a hole now) and Barcelona is already at its peak. How else can they strengthen? I don't see any prerequisites for this.

[Iranus]

Both Barcelona and Real Madrid face strong opposition ahead of El Clasico. Barcelona will play against Bayern Munich and Real Madrid will play against Dortmund.

Barcelona's performance yesterday was top notch and the volley always have me thinking -- mann, pedri's goal was fly AF!
That point when lamine was a bit hesitant to release the ball, since he wasn't on the most favourable positions to shoot,the suspense was everything! prolific goals against Sevilla - a day to reckon!
I'm not gonna look down on Barcelona because they played one time against B.munich and conceived 8 goals....

Barcelona's overall performance impressed me in this match. I thought Barcelona would not take this match seriously. Because the two matches after this match are very important for Barcelona. Barcelona will play against Bayern Munich in the Champions League match and Barcelona will play against Real Madrid in the next La Liga match. However, Hansi Flick did not want to take any risks against Sevilla. He formed his best XI. And the Barcelona players performed well.

Hansi Flick's match strategy was excellent. Barcelona dominated the match from the beginning of the match. Sevilla wanted to play a defensive strategy to draw the match. But the players of Barcelona did not provide any opportunity. From the first minute of the match, the Barcelona players launched a lot of attacks. As a result, Sevilla's defense collapsed very quickly. Hopefully we will see such a great performance from Barcelona in the next match against Munich.

[fuguebtc]

Girona has been struggling to make an impact in La Liga; rather, we are seeing Atletico Madrid pushing to maintain the third position. On Saturday, Girona lost the game with Real Sociedad, and they are currently in the 12th position. Meanwhile, Barcelona is taking advantage of the reduction in Real Madrid's performance and are now three points ahead.  The league is still open because there are still lots of games to play, so if Barca and Madrid keep playing well, other teams might take their places.

Last season we saw excellent performances from Girona. However, Girona's performance this season has been very poor. Girona management should have strengthened the squad. But Girona management sold their squad's best scorer. So we can see the deterioration of the performance of this team. The team that occupied the top spot of the table for a long time last season is now outside the top 10 of the table.

I thought Atletico Madrid would fight for the La Liga title this season. But that is very unlikely at the moment. Atletico Madrid's overall performance has been very erratic. Atlético Madrid team has not lost a single match so far. However, the team has drawn in 5 matches out of 10 matches. Atlético Madrid is 7 points behind Barcelona.

[Chilwell]

Valencia vs Las Palmas

Valencia (predicted lineup): Giorgi Mamardashvili, Dimitri Foulquier, Cristhian Mosquera, Cesar Tarrega, Thierry Correia, Javier Guerra, Pepelu, Diego Lopez, Andre Almeida, Luis Rioja, Hugo Duro.

Las Palmas (predicted lineup): Dinko Horkas, Alex Suarez, Scott McKenna, Mika Marmol, Alex Munoz, Dario Essugo, Kirian Rodriguez, Adnan Januzaj, Alberto Moleiro, Fabio Silva, Oliver McBurnie.

Valencia will continue the league after resuming from the international break with new faces who have been away for so long due to injury, some of the key players who have returned are captain Jose Gaya who is their captain but went away for almost five months and Hugo Duro who is one of their top scorer and he is starting the match tonight, Valencia will feel comfort in claiming the three points at their own home. This two teams haven't record a win since the starting of the season, and both are in the relegation zone, Las Palmas are the worst teams so far and I don't believe the can actually perform well to defend and defeat Valencia, so with what I have observed Valencia have the chance of winning and also taking a step in the table over Real Valladolid who were already worried about Valencia victory.

[CryptoBuds]

That's mostly because Barcelona doesn't have a good enough financial situation in this team and they can't pay money like the other teams while Manchester United is loaded and they are rich enough to pay the money and they can hire money and better palyers than Barcelona and that's why when Manchester United is interested in hiring a player from Barcelona they can usually make problems for this team just like what happened in recently about De Jong.
However, I think Barcelona is right to say they won't be able to pay a high salary for De Jong because we know he was mostly injured and absent from this team.

I really don't think that selling him is going to be a great idea. Because Barcelona is actually getting really good performances from him. it is not going to be wise for Barcelona to let him go because they won't be able to bring in a player as good as him or better at this moment. I think that is what the player is thinking as well. That why he is also rejecting the proposals that Barcelona is giving him at this moment. I totally understand that. Because he has become a professional player so that he can earn money by playing football and if he is not feeling like he is getting the money that he is worth, he can always leave if he chooses to.

But I am pretty certain that if Barca sells de Jong, Barcelona is going to be the team that will have to pay a big price.

[BITCOIN4X]

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Barcelona without doubt have been a better team than Real Madrid this season especially in the Spanish La Liga but that I don't think is enough for anyone to think that Barcelona will easily get the better of Carlo Ancelotti's men when they face each other next in a week time for the first El Classico of the season.

Nobody thinks like that, that's why Real Madrid's probability of winning is still high compared to Barcelona. El Clasico is a difficult match for both of them, it is a match full of prestige and emotion. I can't say Real Madrid and Barcelona easily beat each other, so this should be a tough match that is difficult for everyone to predict. Fans both support their respective teams, but they dare not guarantee the results.

Barcelona this season is certainly better in terms of its team's performance in La Liga. They are also not much different from Real Madrid in the Champions League, of course if you pay attention to their last two matches in the Champions League. Barcelona and Real Madrid both got 3 points in 2 matches in the Champions League, meaning they have lost 1 each.

Carol Ancelotti is one man who knows how to perfectly manage his team and get the best of results on important games and that's why I'm very optimistic that Real Madrid stands a better chance of winning their game against Barcelona next weekend. Another reason why I think Real Madrid will win that game is because they'll be playing in front of their fans at the Santiago Bernabeu and we all know that's not a ground you can easily get a result against the reigning Spanish and European champions.

All Real Madrid fans must think like that, but Barcelona fans think otherwise. If we talk about team performance, I think Barcelona should be ahead of Real Madrid. It's just that Barcelona doesn't have many experienced players in their current squad and their main roster so far is comprised of many young players. A win against Bayern Munich in the Champions League could motivate them for El Clasico, but that expected victory is still doubtful for Barcelona in the coming days.

[Cookdata]

Barcelona's overall performance impressed me in this match. I thought Barcelona would not take this match seriously. Because the two matches after this match are very important for Barcelona. Barcelona will play against Bayern Munich in the Champions League match and Barcelona will play against Real Madrid in the next La Liga match. However, Hansi Flick did not want to take any risks against Sevilla. He formed his best XI. And the Barcelona players performed well.

Barcelona will not stop here until they win this season because everything about the club makes me uncomfortable, it's their own way of winning but I hurt me seeing how Barcelona is making progress. I expected them to win Sevilla but look at the finishing they gave them, I didn't expect them to give Sevilla some school teaching, they put all their effort despite having 5 good players on injuries, if it's Real Madrid they will use that as an excuse.

Hansi Flick's match strategy was excellent. Barcelona dominated the match from the beginning of the match. Sevilla wanted to play a defensive strategy to draw the match. But the players of Barcelona did not provide any opportunity. From the first minute of the match, the Barcelona players launched a lot of attacks. As a result, Sevilla's defense collapsed very quickly. Hopefully we will see such a great performance from Barcelona in the next match against Munich.

You just know that Ansi Flick is ready for this job and atleast for now better than Xabi Alonso. The only place I think Barcelona will have problem is winning Bayern. They are lagging behind with 3 points each and that means one of them must win and Bayern Munich wouldn't be joking as well. I hope Barcelona don't add more to their injuries but if they did, then it's happy day for Real Madrid that are looking for opportunities to win them in their next match.

[kawetsriyanto]

Considering the schedules that Barcelona and Real Madrid have before the El Clasico match, it seems that Barcelona is in a more difficult situation. Because after all, Barcelona will play against Bayern Munich, while Real Madrid will play against Dortmund but, in the El Clasico match later Barcelona will play away and also Barcelona will have less rest time compared to Real Madrid. With these differences, Real Madrid should have better planning and fitness  of course compared to Barcelona.

I don't see any significant difference, both Real Madrid and Barcelona will play strong teams from Bundesliga. I'm very sure Real Madrid and Barcelona will be very serious to win the matches because they are not in the safe position in UCL league standings. 3 points is important, Real Madrid and Barcelona needs full points to compete for the top 8. This UCL match will definitely take a lot of their energy before the El Clasico match. However, I believe both Real Madrid and Barcelona will still play all out in the upcoming El Clasico.

By the way, I can agree that Barcelona have a shorter rest before the El Clasico. The match will be also held in Real Madrid home. Sure, Real Madrid has an advantage in this match. But this doesn't mean Real Madrid will be easier to face Barcelona. Barcelona performed impressively so far, it should be difficult to beat them.

Also, based on the odds currently available, it is also clear that Real Madrid is the favorite team, because their current odds are Real Madrid @ 1.95 and Barcelona @ 3.50.

This is a prediction only, it won't impact much on the field. I think there are other crucial things that will have bigger roles. It is about the strategy (tactic), lineup, and how the mentality of the players during the match. But, I also believe Real Madrid has a higher chance to win the match. It is their home match and it is a big chance to shorten the point gap with Barcelona.

[Antotena]

I don't see any significant difference, both Real Madrid and Barcelona will play strong teams from Bundesliga. I'm very sure Real Madrid and Barcelona will be very serious to win the matches because they are not in the safe position in UCL league standings. 3 points is important, Real Madrid and Barcelona needs full points to compete for the top 8. This UCL match will definitely take a lot of their energy before the El Clasico match. However, I believe both Real Madrid and Barcelona will still play all out in the upcoming El Clasico.

Bayern Munich are staying in the first place in the Bundesliga but Dortmund is staying in the 6th place, there is no way both teams are having similar performance. Likewise Real Madrid and Barcelona are quite following each other and if not for a game Real Madrid draw multiple times, they should be in the same place right now on the table thus is why I'm not sure if this teams would like get similar outcome in their Champions League match.

By the way, I can agree that Barcelona have a shorter rest before the El Clasico. The match will be also held in Real Madrid home. Sure, Real Madrid has an advantage in this match. But this doesn't mean Real Madrid will be easier to face Barcelona. Barcelona performed impressively so far, it should be difficult to beat them.

Playing in Bernabeu is more reason why Barcelona is going to be at position of losing this match. There is history of been dominant in games where host rarely lose their matches most especially in this kind of situation. El clasico is a tough game that most of the time, each team secure their 3 points with ease but whoever comes out isn't my best interests, it's the goals that I want to bet on and that's my interest.

[red4slash]

Also, based on the odds currently available, it is also clear that Real Madrid is the favorite team, because their current odds are Real Madrid @ 1.95 and Barcelona @ 3.50. But even so, it seems that I personally am still confident that Barcelona will not lose in this El Clasico match, because I think Barcelona is still in a good situation under Flick.

That is based on because for the match later Madrid will play home which indirectly of course this will be a beneficial condition when they play at the Bernabeu so it is not wrong when Madrid are the favourites in this match because they play comfortably in front of thousands of their supporters.

But in this case I think we also need to consider other matches before El Clasico before betting because after all this is quite important because apart from mentally, the readiness of the players we also need to see if there really isn't anything unwanted like injuries or other incidents in the Champions League match because after all for a big match like this with rivalry and prestige at stake the absence of several players on the field can later be decisive for the final result.

[promise444c5]

Considering the schedules that Barcelona and Real Madrid have before the El Clasico match, it seems that Barcelona is in a more difficult situation. Because after all, Barcelona will play against Bayern Munich, while Real Madrid will play against Dortmund but, in the El Clasico match later Barcelona will play away and also Barcelona will have less rest time compared to Real Madrid. With these differences, Real Madrid should have better planning and fitness  of course compared to Barcelona.

Also, based on the odds currently available, it is also clear that Real Madrid is the favorite team, because their current odds are Real Madrid @ 1.95 and Barcelona @ 3.50. But even so, it seems that I personally am still confident that Barcelona will not lose in this El Clasico match, because I think Barcelona is still in a good situation under Flick.

Flick definitely has plans for his team, I don't think he will be risking too much for UEFA even though they need the points because they already lose a match ,I don't really know what strategy he's planning for the games ahead but I believe it's a good one. At the same time he will be in a tight spot to make decisions and the reason the odds for Barca is quite high is because they are going to Real Madrid home to play the Elclassico, that's the only thing that can justify it bug at the same time, even if Realmadrid I'd going have a win then it won't be an easy one . Ii still have a doubt if Barcelona won't draw or win ( I may be wrong)... what's there home?? Anything special than fans playing some psychological games on opponent... it's just a mere field ( fine they are used to the field but that doesn't change the fact that it's just a field, it's not like some kinda lucky charm) or we can say advantage of being at home maybe...

[skarais]

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That is based on because for the match later Madrid will play home which indirectly of course this will be a beneficial condition when they play at the Bernabeu so it is not wrong when Madrid are the favourites in this match because they play comfortably in front of thousands of their supporters.

But in this case I think we also need to consider other matches before El Clasico before betting because after all this is quite important because apart from mentally, the readiness of the players we also need to see if there really isn't anything unwanted like injuries or other incidents in the Champions League match because after all for a big match like this with rivalry and prestige at stake the absence of several players on the field can later be decisive for the final result.

Let's take a look at the H2H between Real Madrid and Barcelona as they play at the Bernabeu.
In 10 matches at the Bernabeu, especially for La Liga matches, both teams both won 5/10 matches each. Real Madrid has tended to win in the last few seasons, especially in the last 5 seasons.

However, there is one thing you need to watch out for and that is Barcelona's return to form. Barcelona are in their best form this season and they have a lot of talent in their squad who are playing well. Lamine Yamal, Raphinha and Lewandowski have been in their best form this season, while Pedri has also been instrumental in attack. Gavi, who is considered one of the most important players, has returned from injury, of course he will definitely be a good addition in the midfield although De Jong and Dani Olmo are also great.

[Majestic-milf]

Valencia vs Las Palmas


Valencia will continue the league after resuming from the international break with new faces who have been away for so long due to injury, some of the key players who have returned are captain Jose Gaya who is their captain but went away for almost five months and Hugo Duro who is one of their top scorer and he is starting the match tonight, Valencia will feel comfort in claiming the three points at their own home. This two teams haven't record a win since the starting of the season, and both are in the relegation zone, Las Palmas are the worst teams so far and I don't believe the can actually perform well to defend and defeat Valencia, so with what I have observed Valencia have the chance of winning and also taking a step in the table over Real Valladolid who were already worried about Valencia victory.

Two bottom placed teams got to play against each other and although some will say a win is a win no matter how close the margin was, for me it would have been better for it to have ended in a draw because it made no difference whether Las Palmas with the bigger odd took the three points from their hosts because they still remain at 19th while Valencia occupy the 20th spot.
 Honestly, I wonder how Valencia hasn't been pushed to the second division because I'm still yet to see any improvement from the club and for a team like them who have been in the Laliga for a while to go 10 games with just one win is so discouraging.

[tiCeR]

Let's take a look at the H2H between Real Madrid and Barcelona as they play at the Bernabeu.
In 10 matches at the Bernabeu, especially for La Liga matches, both teams both won 5/10 matches each. Real Madrid has tended to win in the last few seasons, especially in the last 5 seasons.

However, there is one thing you need to watch out for and that is Barcelona's return to form. Barcelona are in their best form this season and they have a lot of talent in their squad who are playing well. Lamine Yamal, Raphinha and Lewandowski have been in their best form this season, while Pedri has also been instrumental in attack. Gavi, who is considered one of the most important players, has returned from injury, of course he will definitely be a good addition in the midfield although De Jong and Dani Olmo are also great.

Are you referring to the last 10 matches in general? Because when you say both teams won 5/10, haven't there been any other games from Copa del Rey for example?

But I do think you are correct here as Barcelona went through bad times and had to master a huge transition from the good times when Messi and co. were still around in their prime.

If I am not mistaken, the last game that Barcelona won in the Bernabeu in La Liga was in 2019. That is quite some time ago. All other games were a win for Real Madrid. Now this time I think Barcelona has a very decent chance to win the game. But it is a huge game and both teams have the players to score decisive goals. I think it is finally an El Clasico that is interesting again. When Messi left and all those other top players were gone, Real Madrid was definitely the stronger team, but this might now shift again despite Mbappe going to Madrid.

[Sexylizzy2813]

Two bottom placed teams got to play against each other and although some will say a win is a win no matter how close the margin was, for me it would have been better for it to have ended in a draw because it made no difference whether Las Palmas with the bigger odd took the three points from their hosts because they still remain at 19th while Valencia occupy the 20th spot.
 Honestly, I wonder how Valencia hasn't been pushed to the second division because I'm still yet to see any improvement from the club and for a team like them who have been in the Laliga for a while to go 10 games with just one win is so discouraging.

Valencia are suppose to be one of the biggest team in the la Liga but these days they're now part of those teams that have lost form completely, as of 5-6 seasons ago Valencia do fight to be in the top 4 or even fight for the title but now they don't have anything to offer in the Spanish league which is very poor for a team that many see as a team to fight clubs like Madrid or Barcelona for the title. I never thought Valencia would be at this very position, is as if they're competing for nothing serious but I still believe they can fight there way off the relegation zone.
If there is a way to push Valencia to the lowest division it would have been done base on their performance because we know these guys are not playing like a competitive team but from how poor they performed against Las Palmas I don't think they can be seen as the favorite in any game, the bookie sometimes are using past record to give teams like this the upper hands but they still lose. Valencia are not yet ready until we get to the second chapter of the season then we're going to see them doing their best to avoid being relegated.

[TopT3ns]

The league is still in early phase but it is not difficult to see that this year too is going to be real Madrid vs the Barcelona till the end. Last year the gap was more prominent and Barcelona never exactly caught with real Madrid. There was third option called girona. This year it seems to be full league long competition between the two top teams. With equal matches played Barcelona is three points ahead of Real Madrid and they also have better goal difference. Real Madrid is back in form as a team and is highly unlikely to loose points.
Upcoming El classico would be determintal in finding which of them is the better team.

Considering the schedules that Barcelona and Real Madrid have before the El Clasico match, it seems that Barcelona is in a more difficult situation. Because after all, Barcelona will play against Bayern Munich, while Real Madrid will play against Dortmund but, in the El Clasico match later Barcelona will play away and also Barcelona will have less rest time compared to Real Madrid. With these differences, Real Madrid should have better planning and fitness  of course compared to Barcelona.

Also, based on the odds currently available, it is also clear that Real Madrid is the favorite team, because their current odds are Real Madrid @ 1.95 and Barcelona @ 3.50. But even so, it seems that I personally am still confident that Barcelona will not lose in this El Clasico match, because I think Barcelona is still in a good situation under Flick.

With better looking odds andUGHOUTH fixtures compared to Barcelona but then again, there are reasons not to rule out Barcelona’s possible success in the next El Clasico. One is the attitude and the rhythm that plays the part of ruining performance ahead of a match like this one. Despite the fact that Bayern Munich as a team is not easy to beat before the El Clasico, meeting a tough opponent is always beneficial for the team, in terms of preparation, so they would be more focused and intense than their opponent.

Besides, Barcelona have been very consistent under their new manager and whenever they are faced with adversity, the team has not ducked the challenge. Nevertheless, Real Madrid might be coming into this game match fresh, and what typically defines the El Clasico game still might not be freshness, but motivation on the field, and new tactics. Fortunately, the Getafe is a team that the fans of Barcelona believe they can beat and pick up a positive result, even if such games are not always won based on analysis and probabilities.

[iamsange]

El Clasico will be a crucial match for both teams because it talks about a long-standing rivalry. Both teams are having problems because some players are injured so it is difficult to predict who will win the match. If you look at some of the previous match results, Barcelona is slightly more favored because they are much more consistent. But Real Madrid also cannot be underestimated because a crucial match like this will definitely play much better. I think a draw might be much bigger because both teams will definitely play more carefully.

I think the result will not be a draw because Real Madrid is aiming for a win at home in order to equalize its points with Barcelona, ​​although conditions like that can still put Barcelona in first place because Barcelona's Goal Difference is much greater than Real Madrid's. But at least that will no longer make it difficult for Real Madrid to catch Barcelona if Madrid is able to win and equalize its points with Barcelona and that is expected to happen in the El Clasico match this weekend.

[mv1986]

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Valencia are suppose to be one of the biggest team in the la Liga but these days they're now part of those teams that have lost form completely, as of 5-6 seasons ago Valencia do fight to be in the top 4 or even fight for the title but now they don't have anything to offer in the Spanish league which is very poor for a team that many see as a team to fight clubs like Madrid or Barcelona for the title. I never thought Valencia would be at this very position, is as if they're competing for nothing serious but I still believe they can fight there way off the relegation zone.
If there is a way to push Valencia to the lowest division it would have been done base on their performance because we know these guys are not playing like a competitive team but from how poor they performed against Las Palmas I don't think they can be seen as the favorite in any game, the bookie sometimes are using past record to give teams like this the upper hands but they still lose. Valencia are not yet ready until we get to the second chapter of the season then we're going to see them doing their best to avoid being relegated.

Now that you mention it, it's 1/4th of a decade ago when Valencia played in the Champions League final against Bayern Munich and lost in the penalty shootout. Damn time is running But a lot has changed since then and I don't whether they can still be considered a potential top team. So many clubs are so much richer. I see them similar to Villareal, which actually is doing ok. But I would be surprised if they had a chance to compete with Barcelona and Real Madrid. It is since season 19/20 that they could't finish in the top 3 anymore. They didn't even make top 7 by the way and once this happens, money is lost every single season and then it is even harder to dig out of that hole.