La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24

[klidex]

Some matches will start next Saturday and we can start to make bets so we can get bigger odds if you make the bet now.
There are several matches that are easy to predict so that we can do research and make predictions do not require complexity.
I have started to make a bet and hopefully everything produces a victory.

It is true that betting earlier will certainly get better odds, but sometimes things can change a few hours before the match starts and sometimes the odds are also better than what you are betting now. Seeing the multibet match that you are betting on is quite good, but for the match between Real Sociedad and Girona, I doubt that Real Sociedad can beat Girona in that match.

We know very well that the two teams managed to beat Real Madrid in the previous game and it is possible that the two teams played quite evenly and ended up getting a draw. But that is my opinion and if there is any other option then I will look for a safe bet with the handicap for the Girona advantage (0.75) at odds @1.96, I think even if Real Sociedad win by a narrow score I will not lose all my money and if the result is a draw then I will win completely.

Betting early is indeed profitable, but if you multi-bet it will be very risky when you choose the wrong club and bet on the favored club, it won't necessarily win.
Because there will be a lot of changes that occur over time before the match starts, such as a sudden injury to a superior player.
In fact, if we look at what tusandii chose, there were some irregularities, such as choosing Real Socied over Girona, who could beat Sevilla in the last match, and I see that Girona is in good shape and has the potential to beat Real Socied.

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[tusandii]

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It is true that betting earlier will certainly get better odds, but sometimes things can change a few hours before the match starts and sometimes the odds are also better than what you are betting now. Seeing the multibet match that you are betting on is quite good, but for the match between Real Sociedad and Girona, I doubt that Real Sociedad can beat Girona in that match.

We know very well that the two teams managed to beat Real Madrid in the previous game and it is possible that the two teams played quite evenly and ended up getting a draw. But that is my opinion and if there is any other option then I will look for a safe bet with the handicap for the Girona advantage (0.75) at odds @1.96, I think even if Real Sociedad win by a narrow score I will not lose all my money and if the result is a draw then I will win completely.

I have won several times with only very low Odds, that's why I prefer to bet at the beginning to get pretty good Odds, indeed Odds changes can happen and it doesn't necessarily guarantee a win, but at least it can give you satisfaction when you win it.
The two teams were equally good and managed to beat Madrid, Real Sociedad 2 - 0 against Madrid and Girona 4 - 2 against Madrid but my feeling and the prediction research I made concluded that Real Sociedad could win in the match later.

[ginsan]

The performance from osassuna was actually very different compared to when madrid faces manchester city. Madrid looks incompetence int he match against osassuna compared with city but i do know that if real madrid didn't wanna try to put its players under pressures against osassuna.

I don't see that as a serious problem right now caused by osassuna was losing against madrid. It has not become an important question anymore. Real madrid needs to focus against manchester city rather than la liga right now.
The gap between madrid to the competitor below it is still very far. It will not be a big probelm for real madrid to lose another three points as long as madrid will able to win against manchester city.

Indeed, in the first leg match against Manchester City, Real Madrid appeared quite impressive where they seemed to have managed to do their best compared to their previous game in the laliga. Therefore, some facts are true where Real Madrid saves special energy only for the Champions League. A draw closed the first leg of the semi-final between Real Madrid vs Manchester City. This result makes the chances of both still pocketing 50|50 in the second leg later.

Of course Real madrid don't think about the importance of laliga matches for the remaining few matches in this season, because they only need 1 more win that they can try to close the season in the top 4. But the draw in the first leg against Manchester City is quite disappointing for me because I was expecting they could have won the match but the goal from kevin de bruyne made my hopes dash.

[Leviathan.007]

Changes from Real Madrid really need to be made because at this time they are in a slump and often lose in every game available, so the management at Real Madrid decided to bring in an attacker who might be able to influence Real Madrid's game when on the field. Victor Osimhen is an attacker. who are very skilled, and Real Madrid already has Benzema as a midfielder who is very skilled, meaning that when these two players can work together, it will make Real Madrid shine again with the victory that will be obtained.

I don't see Real Madrid as the worst team this season even though Real Madrid have lost seven league games this season. Because in appearance and performance and the target they want to achieve this season they have also got, namely the Copa Del Rey trophy so now Real Madrid will make an even bigger target in the UCL this season even though the opponent looks very tough with Real Madrid's condition at the time.

Victor Osimhen is indeed a good player, but I also don't think that this player will be sold by Napoli next season because Napoli have also been able to win Serie A this season so the possibility of being retained by Napoli is greater. So Real Madrid will have to look for other options if they want to put one of the best players on their front lines now.

In part, this La Liga season can rightly be described as a failure for Real... After all, we are not talking about the Champions League here, but about La Liga, where Real have performed their worst result in recent years... They have now lost second place in the standings and Atletico have moved them down... So even though they won the Spanish Cup and play in the semi-finals of the Champions League, their results in La Liga are very poor...

This time Real Madrid failed in La Liga and they got bad results, especially during recent games we saw from this team because even lost their place in the second position of the table in the other hand there is no hope for them to win the La Liga title, however, they won the Copa del Rey but being in their place of the tale is not good for a team like Real Madrid, I think there is a high chance for Ancelotti to leave Real Madrid if they don't win the champions league because of the bad performance they had so far.

[Fara Chan]

This time Real Madrid failed in La Liga and they got bad results, especially during recent games we saw from this team because even lost their place in the second position of the table in the other hand there is no hope for them to win the La Liga title, however, they won the Copa del Rey but being in their place of the tale is not good for a team like Real Madrid, I think there is a high chance for Ancelotti to leave Real Madrid if they don't win the champions league because of the bad performance they had so far.

Real Madrid this season has experienced ups and downs so that it can be left far behind by Barcelona in the competition for the La Liga title. Even though later Madrid have to finish in 3rd place, I think everyone in the Real Madrid environment has accepted it. In such conditions, no one needs to be blamed, including Ancelotti, because he has done a good job so far. This season El Real's management also did nothing in the transfer market, so being able to win the Copa del Rey was also very good for Madrid.

Apart from that, if they also fail in the Champions League then Florentino Perez should retain Ancelotti. I see that currently it is quite difficult to find a classy coach on the market, if indeed Perez also has to kick Ancelotti then that is a very big gamble.

[len01]

This time Real Madrid failed in La Liga and they got bad results, especially during recent games we saw from this team because even lost their place in the second position of the table in the other hand there is no hope for them to win the La Liga title, however, they won the Copa del Rey but being in their place of the tale is not good for a team like Real Madrid, I think there is a high chance for Ancelotti to leave Real Madrid if they don't win the champions league because of the bad performance they had so far.

Real Madrid this season has experienced ups and downs so that it can be left far behind by Barcelona in the competition for the La Liga title. Even though later Madrid have to finish in 3rd place, I think everyone in the Real Madrid environment has accepted it. In such conditions, no one needs to be blamed, including Ancelotti, because he has done a good job so far. This season El Real's management also did nothing in the transfer market, so being able to win the Copa del Rey was also very good for Madrid.

Apart from that, if they also fail in the Champions League then Florentino Perez should retain Ancelotti. I see that currently it is quite difficult to find a classy coach on the market, if indeed Perez also has to kick Ancelotti then that is a very big gamble.

it's not a big problem for Real Madrid not to be champions in La Liga but Madrid are already proud to be champions in the Copa del Rey and the second target is to win the title in the UCL. so it's not because Madrid is inconsistent or experiencing ups and downs in La Liga but Ancelotti saves all the best players and the energy of his players to be released in the main league to get a trophy that makes all Real Madrid supporters proud.
on the other hand there is no need for player transfers because with the current players Real Madrid already has a very strong performance even Ancelotti is the best coach that Real Madrid has to keep.

[X-ray]

If Osimhen is bought by Real Madrid, it could bring significant changes and changes to the core squad. They are also worried about Benzema as Los Blancos need to rejuvenate their squad, especially in the striker position. Karim Benzema, who is appointed as the main striker, is now 35 years old. Benzema's contract itself will expire on June 30, 2023 and there are currently no signs of an extension.

Maybe yes , Maybe no. I can't deny that if osimhen is a good player but i shall remind you that if sometimes the performance from a player in the new club may be different when he was in the old club. I heard that if napoli is not even willing try to sell him. As long as benzema is performing so well with madrid and there is still a chance for benzeme to renew its contract with madrid. As far as i know that if madrid has policy to give a short term contract to the players who were older than 30 years old.

Luka Modric has reportedly reached a 'total agreement' with Real Madrid over his contract renewal, with the midfielder 'set to remain at the club until 2024.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12054067/Luka-Modric-Real-Madrid-reach-total-agreement-contract-renewal-sign-2024.html

Modric was 37 years old and real madrid is still offering him a new contract for another year. benzema potentially to get the same thing next season from real madrid as long as he is still showing impressive performance.

However, Madrid is likely to extend Benzema's tenure for at least another year at the Santiago Bernabeu. However, Napoli seems to have set a high price to be able to sign Osimhen, but the price is still worth it to bring Osimhen in.

Madrid has been committing to sign bellingham from dortmund with very high price. I don't even think madrid is interesting to sign osimhen from napoli. It's chelsea who is very interesting to sign him as a new drogba.

[shogun47]

The performance from osassuna was actually very different compared to when madrid faces manchester city. Madrid looks incompetence int he match against osassuna compared with city but i do know that if real madrid didn't wanna try to put its players under pressures against osassuna.

I don't see that as a serious problem right now caused by osassuna was losing against madrid. It has not become an important question anymore. Real madrid needs to focus against manchester city rather than la liga right now.
The gap between madrid to the competitor below it is still very far. It will not be a big probelm for real madrid to lose another three points as long as madrid will able to win against manchester city.

Indeed, in the first leg match against Manchester City, Real Madrid appeared quite impressive where they seemed to have managed to do their best compared to their previous game in the laliga. Therefore, some facts are true where Real Madrid saves special energy only for the Champions League. A draw closed the first leg of the semi-final between Real Madrid vs Manchester City. This result makes the chances of both still pocketing 50|50 in the second leg later.

Of course Real madrid don't think about the importance of laliga matches for the remaining few matches in this season, because they only need 1 more win that they can try to close the season in the top 4. But the draw in the first leg against Manchester City is quite disappointing for me because I was expecting they could have won the match but the goal from kevin de bruyne made my hopes dash.

I would like to emphasize that I have so far never seen a team that was able to take Haaland out of the game like Real Madrid did against Manchester City. He was almost non-present on the pitch. Except for his header and his one left foot shot, he played no role in the game. It almost hurt to see him being so passive, but it is not only his fault. There wasn't a single precise pass in the free space or a cross ball that came close to him. He was eliminated from the game by Alaba and Rudiger and as I said, I've never seen a defense doing it like Real Madrid pulled it off.

[hd49728]

Modric was 37 years old and real madrid is still offering him a new contract for another year. benzema potentially to get the same thing next season from real madrid as long as he is still showing impressive performance.

Modrid plays very well at this old age and he can run a lot, run quickly enough than other old players. I don't know how a tiny player like Modric can maintain his body to play aggressively at this age. I am not surprised if old players depend on their experience to play and avoid to waste their energy for running but Modric is different. He uses both his experience to play but also is very ready to join any physical fighting with younger players.

His ability and skills to make passes, do ball control and helps his team to have good ball possession as well as switching quickly from defense to attacking is simply massive. It is hardly to find in any player, any play-maker in football. He is a valuable player for Real Madrid and Croatia.

[Doell]

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It is true that betting earlier will certainly get better odds, but sometimes things can change a few hours before the match starts and sometimes the odds are also better than what you are betting now. Seeing the multibet match that you are betting on is quite good, but for the match between Real Sociedad and Girona, I doubt that Real Sociedad can beat Girona in that match.

We know very well that the two teams managed to beat Real Madrid in the previous game and it is possible that the two teams played quite evenly and ended up getting a draw. But that is my opinion and if there is any other option then I will look for a safe bet with the handicap for the Girona advantage (0.75) at odds @1.96, I think even if Real Sociedad win by a narrow score I will not lose all my money and if the result is a draw then I will win completely.

I have won several times with only very low Odds, that's why I prefer to bet at the beginning to get pretty good Odds, indeed Odds changes can happen and it doesn't necessarily guarantee a win, but at least it can give you satisfaction when you win it.
The two teams were equally good and managed to beat Madrid, Real Sociedad 2 - 0 against Madrid and Girona 4 - 2 against Madrid but my feeling and the prediction research I made concluded that Real Sociedad could win in the match later.

Lucky your win on low odds because usually it doesn't work in my multibet , to be honest I also actually already bet La Liga for this week, but for the Real Sociedad vs Girona match I doubt this match and maybe I'll missed it. The both of teams will be quite evenly and I agree what rendravolt said, the possibility for this match will end in a draw result. Even, it doesn't close the possibility Girona can make a surprise in this match. But I wish you luck with your bet, because Real Sociedad will also be playing at Reale Arena, they will do effort very well in front of their fans.

[G_Besar]

Modric was 37 years old and real madrid is still offering him a new contract for another year. benzema potentially to get the same thing next season from real madrid as long as he is still showing impressive performance.

Modrid plays very well at this old age and he can run a lot, run quickly enough than other old players. I don't know how a tiny player like Modric can maintain his body to play aggressively at this age. I am not surprised if old players depend on their experience to play and avoid to waste their energy for running but Modric is different. He uses both his experience to play but also is very ready to join any physical fighting with younger players.

His ability and skills to make passes, do ball control and helps his team to have good ball possession as well as switching quickly from defense to attacking is simply massive. It is hardly to find in any player, any play-maker in football. He is a valuable player for Real Madrid and Croatia.

Yes, thanks to his appearance and the difficulty of finding the right replacement in the near future, it is very appropriate that Real Madrid offer a new contract for only one season. The presence of senior players in the team is very influential both on and off the field. In addition to their services, their experience is needed to guide young players to be honed even more.

Modric is a great and difficult midfielder to be replaced, Madrid has recruited a young midfielder to become his successor. For the next season he will serve as a mentor for Tchouameni and friends, as well as Benzema.

[Raflesia]

Actually, Victor Osimhen is the best option to replace with Benzema because of his age situation and his planting style, we know Real Madrid needs a player to replace with Benzema because he is still a good player but he is 35y old and playing at this age is not really reliable for any team because he can be injured more than other player and he won't have good performance anymore.

It won't be easy indeed because seeing from the current conditions that Napoli is trying to continue to seduce Osimhen with a contract extension and already talking with Osimhen's agent at this time it is clear that this will not be as easy as expected.
Btw, in this case, I still haven't seen any further updates about Osimhen and Madrid because indeed the crowd is still looking for midfielders and Jude is still very busy right now.
It seems they don't really want to rush and put the target in the striker or maybe they don't want to be caught by the media because there is still no further update on this matter.

It's like a match with a fairly large win rate in terms of probability, but in this case when looking at the condition of Girona and Sociedad actually I'm quite doubtful in this regard even though Sociedad are the home team in this match and quite the favorite but with their current condition actually I have another view on this.
On the other hand, Girona is also in top condition considering that their last 5 matches ended in 4 wins and 1 defeat, so that makes me a little doubtful and a draw is still possible here.
It's just that if in the end there will be a winner, this possibility will only be a narrow win for one of the clubs.

[hahay]

I was expecting Real Madrid to outclass and heavily thrash Osasuna in the Spanish Copa Del Rey final but Osasuna players had a contrary idea.
After fighting so hard and scoring the in the their first goal of the match, they pressed for a draw but because of Real Madrid's superior quality they never succeeded. They gave football fans a good game to watch at the final of this season's CDR competition

The performance from osassuna was actually very different compared to when madrid faces manchester city. Madrid looks incompetence int he match against osassuna compared with city but i do know that if real madrid didn't wanna try to put its players under pressures against osassuna.

I don't see that as a serious problem right now caused by osassuna was losing against madrid. It has not become an important question anymore. Real madrid needs to focus against manchester city rather than la liga right now.
The gap between madrid to the competitor below it is still very far. It will not be a big probelm for real madrid to lose another three points as long as madrid will able to win against manchester city.

We can't compare Osasuna to Manchester City because obviously, those are two teams of very different qualities. Even though Osasuna reached the Cop del Rey final, but that doesn't mean Osasuna has the same quality as a big team in winning the title.

So yes, it's natural that Real Madrid don't play the same way in this match, because of course the pressure will be greater when Real Madrid plays against Manchester City. But in reality, the end result has been achieved and Real Madrid still has a big chance in the Champions League, because Real Madrid's performance in La Liga and in other tournaments is clearly very different.

[HajiBagi]

This time Real Madrid failed in La Liga and they got bad results, especially during recent games we saw from this team because even lost their place in the second position of the table in the other hand there is no hope for them to win the La Liga title, however, they won the Copa del Rey but being in their place of the tale is not good for a team like Real Madrid, I think there is a high chance for Ancelotti to leave Real Madrid if they don't win the champions league because of the bad performance they had so far.

Real Madrid this season has experienced ups and downs so that it can be left far behind by Barcelona in the competition for the La Liga title. Even though later Madrid have to finish in 3rd place, I think everyone in the Real Madrid environment has accepted it. In such conditions, no one needs to be blamed, including Ancelotti, because he has done a good job so far. This season El Real's management also did nothing in the transfer market, so being able to win the Copa del Rey was also very good for Madrid.

Apart from that, if they also fail in the Champions League then Florentino Perez should retain Ancelotti. I see that currently it is quite difficult to find a classy coach on the market, if indeed Perez also has to kick Ancelotti then that is a very big gamble.

Sincerely, Real Madrid try this season and even without winning the LA Liga league they will try their best to keep the top 3 position, Ancelotti gave it his all with Real Madrid, and I think they won't regret having him as their coach. He has led the team to champion league, laliga league, and Copa de Rey victories. While other coaches were fired last season and this season due to poor team performances, Ancelotti is still in charge of Real Madrid and is about to win another champion league this season.
Even though I'm aware that he occasionally committed mistakes, I don't think anyone is immune from it , and I think he deserves to be honored before leaving the team.

[nara1892]

Modric was 37 years old and real madrid is still offering him a new contract for another year. benzema potentially to get the same thing next season from real madrid as long as he is still showing impressive performance.

Modrid plays very well at this old age and he can run a lot, run quickly enough than other old players. I don't know how a tiny player like Modric can maintain his body to play aggressively at this age. I am not surprised if old players depend on their experience to play and avoid to waste their energy for running but Modric is different. He uses both his experience to play but also is very ready to join any physical fighting with younger players.

His ability and skills to make passes, do ball control and helps his team to have good ball possession as well as switching quickly from defense to attacking is simply massive. It is hardly to find in any player, any play-maker in football. He is a valuable player for Real Madrid and Croatia.

There is no need to doubt Modric's ability to provide comfort to Real Madrid's game. In terms of age, he is indeed old, but in terms of ability he is still like a young child. Real Madrid's decision to offer Modric a new contract was the right decision in my opinion. Now Real Madrid does have young players to fill the void in midfield, but they still have to collaborate with experienced players. I don't mean to doubt the abilities of Real Madrid's young players, but experience speaks volumes in this regard. It is very difficult to find a player as capable as Modric, even though there are many young players with a lot of potential now.

[piebeyb]

Sincerely, Real Madrid try this season and even without winning the LA Liga league they will try their best to keep the top 3 position, Ancelotti gave it his all with Real Madrid, and I think they won't regret having him as their coach. He has led the team to champion league, laliga league, and Copa de Rey victories. While other coaches were fired last season and this season due to poor team performances, Ancelotti is still in charge of Real Madrid and is about to win another champion league this season.
Even though I'm aware that he occasionally committed mistakes, I don't think anyone is immune from it , and I think he deserves to be honored before leaving the team.

Yes, it happens a lot at big clubs when they don't achieve the results they don't want, they immediately change coaches, whereas to adjust the style of play that the coach wants with the players, of course, it takes time to be compact and as desired, Ancelotti has been in Madrid for a long time and has also brought a lot to Madrid. winning the league and UCL even though at the moment in the league they look bad but at least winning the Copa Del Rey yesterday was good enough.

I'm not sure that Madrid will win the CL again this season because I believe Manchester City will win the match in the second leg later, because of course Manchester City looks better at the moment than Madrid, even so Madrid can also wipe out the remaining matches at the end of this season to shift Atletico madrid in second place.

[skarais]

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I think Real Madrid, who is looking for an alternative to Benzema, can bring him to the team. If they can get his testimonial for a reasonable fee, Osimhen will become a player who will add great strength to Real Madrid. Being physically very strong, he soon uses his intelligence in football. I have the potential to be one of the important players for La Liga. Of course, he should not be surprised if he goes to the EPL, he is a player who can be successful there as well.

I heard rumors about Real Madrid's interest in Julian Alvarez who is currently still playing for Manchester City. The Qatari World Cup winner is said to be a worthy successor to the aging Benzema, but several other players have also been rumored. Osimhen is good, but I don't know if Real Madrid will really go after him.

Real Madrid are really looking for the best number 9 player to replace Benzema, so some of the names mentioned above might really be the targets they will strive for next season. Haaland must be tough, I think he'll just enjoy the best of seasons at Manchester City even if Real Madrid are able to activate his release clause.

[rendravolt]

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It is true that betting earlier will certainly get better odds, but sometimes things can change a few hours before the match starts and sometimes the odds are also better than what you are betting now. Seeing the multibet match that you are betting on is quite good, but for the match between Real Sociedad and Girona, I doubt that Real Sociedad can beat Girona in that match.

We know very well that the two teams managed to beat Real Madrid in the previous game and it is possible that the two teams played quite evenly and ended up getting a draw. But that is my opinion and if there is any other option then I will look for a safe bet with the handicap for the Girona advantage (0.75) at odds @1.96, I think even if Real Sociedad win by a narrow score I will not lose all my money and if the result is a draw then I will win completely.

I have won several times with only very low Odds, that's why I prefer to bet at the beginning to get pretty good Odds, indeed Odds changes can happen and it doesn't necessarily guarantee a win, but at least it can give you satisfaction when you win it.
The two teams were equally good and managed to beat Madrid, Real Sociedad 2 - 0 against Madrid and Girona 4 - 2 against Madrid but my feeling and the prediction research I made concluded that Real Sociedad could win in the match later.

Maybe we do have our own judgment when determining bets from the odds to the opportunities that exist, but congratulations if you always manage to win bets in a way that you are good at. Apart from that, as bettors, we must have our own mindset to determine the right bet, and I think your bet is indeed very safe without big risks. Anyway, I'm preparing the same match bets as you except for Real Sociedad vs Girona. Who do you think the Villarreal vs Bilbao game will win? I am quite confused about making a choice because these two teams have won 2x in their last 5 matches.

[Pandu Geddon]

Villarreal vs Bilbao game will win? I am quite confused about making a choice because these two teams have won 2x in their last 5 matches.

Villarreal will have the upper hand in this match but still have almost the same strength, making betting quite difficult. maybe I'll bet on Villarreal. I think they have a better chance of winning. but all will also return to the bookies' bids in this match. if it's interesting for us to follow, I'll bet on it, but if it's not profitable, I'll put it in another game.

[Furious 7]

I heard rumors about Real Madrid's interest in Julian Alvarez who is currently still playing for Manchester City. The Qatari World Cup winner is said to be a worthy successor to the aging Benzema, but several other players have also been rumored. Osimhen is good, but I don't know if Real Madrid will really go after him.

Real Madrid are really looking for the best number 9 player to replace Benzema, so some of the names mentioned above might really be the targets they will strive for next season. Haaland must be tough, I think he'll just enjoy the best of seasons at Manchester City even if Real Madrid are able to activate his release clause.

It's still possible but I think if it's still possible to bring in a player who is indeed a target like Osimhen then it's still very possible.
But talking about Julian, at the moment he is indeed losing the competition to Haaland but he is still quite good in performance especially he is still very young when there is indeed sharpening and given more time I think he can still be considered.
They have to look at some options from now on because indeed if the successor to number 9 is still not around and still hoping for Benzema who is still struggling with injury I don't think it will be very good.

Villarreal vs Bilbao game will win? I am quite confused about making a choice because these two teams have won 2x in their last 5 matches.

Villarreal will have the upper hand in this match but still have almost the same strength, making betting quite difficult. maybe I'll bet on Villarreal. I think they have a better chance of winning. but all will also return to the bookies' bids in this match. if it's interesting for us to follow, I'll bet on it, but if it's not profitable, I'll put it in another game.

In terms of actual conditions, their performance in the last few matches looks the same with 3 defeats, 1 draw and 2 wins, but in terms of current momentum, Villarreal is still slightly better, especially when they are currently playing at the Estadio de la Cerámica, which of course will be full of their own supporters who can make this as more encouragement.
Even though it's like that, I think it's still not going to be easy for both of them because Bilbao can also bite even though in this case Bilbao's problem is still having difficulties in their weak finishing.