DT1 with zero or neutral trust

[TheNewAnon135246]

DefaultTrust membership should mean your Trust ratings are accurate, that's it. Someone can be a trustworthy person but their judgement may still be subpar. Or they might not trade much with other forum members but they may be good at spotting scammers.

Vod’s trust ratings on me are 100% provable lies, yet he sits in DT1 even after theymos told him he would be removed for posting such lying trust ratings about me. How is this justified? Why is this allowed?

That's a question only Theymos can answer.

[JollyGood]

I have seen some very informative posts from highly intelligent individuals that are articulate, polite and come across as valued members of this community but they are not DT1.

On the other side, I have seen far more users that have been around for years and are DT1 but they bring literally nothing of substance to the community.

With regards to the heading title of this thread: "DT1 with zero or neutral trust", I think a better solution is needed to ensure some degree of accountability on part of those that are DT1 and also a different mechanism in place for others to be able to achieve DT1 level.

Posts really have very little to do with DT status. If someone is eligible for DT then it becomes dependent on how many DT1 trust them and how many distrust them.

Some of it will be forum politics, perception or opinion that determines whether someone is trusted or distrusted. This is why the voting system is good. If a member has more trust than distrust then they still are a valid DT.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

Some former DT1 and 2 have deliberately removed themselves from being eligible for DT selection because they disagree with the current system or are just sick of the bickering and negativity that tends to happen when you are on DT.

It is very hard to determining someones "value" to the community. For instance there are a lot of members that post very little but help out with investigations, report spammers and report rule breakers or post on sections of the forum that you might not visit.  When the merit system was introduced I noticed some people were merited a lot that I had never heard of before. They tended to post in sections of the forum that I never visit.

Thank you for the post.

I read what you wrote and agree with you. It is an impossible task to assess or calculate the value of a particular user based on their input or quality of input in their posts.

Right now I cannot see a way that will be universally accepted but the current system does not work as there are politics and egos at play which can distort the manner in which facts are portrayed and presented.

[malevolent]

It won't happen without strong leadership from honest people.

Strong leadership is a potential weak link if they have a change of heart, get hit by a bus, move on to other things, etc., the Trust system is supposed to be largely self-regulating.

I think a better solution is needed to ensure some degree of accountability on part of those that are DT1 and also a different mechanism in place for others to be able to achieve DT1 level.

Enough people trusting/distrusting them will result in DT1 members being added/removed from DT1. For dealing with the worst Trust abusers theymos can still intervene manually.

DefaultTrust membership should mean your Trust ratings are accurate, that's it. Someone can be a trustworthy person but their judgement may still be subpar. Or they might not trade much with other forum members but they may be good at spotting scammers.

Vod’s trust ratings on me are 100% provable lies, yet he sits in DT1 even after theymos told him he would be removed for posting such lying trust ratings about me. How is this justified? Why is this allowed?

If that's case I think you may bring this matter to theymos and he can be removed from DT1 manually. For now theymos has just distrusted him.

[Vod]

Vod’s trust ratings on me are 100% provable lies.

But you respect me too much to prove even one lie?

You are a proveable scammer, and instead of providing any evidence you are not, all you do is call me a liar.

[JollyGood]

I think a better solution is needed to ensure some degree of accountability on part of those that are DT1 and also a different mechanism in place for others to be able to achieve DT1 level.

Enough people trusting/distrusting them will result in DT1 members being added/removed from DT1. For dealing with the worst Trust abusers theymos can still intervene manually.

Thank you for the explanation. I suppose having theymos or selected admin as a mechanism to intervene manually does help though I still think a better solution needs to be found.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Trust for trades and nothing but trades.

Keep the other data points, just add one more for trading. Did not seem to gain much traction.

It's not a bad idea at all and would be kind of like eBay's feedback system, except there eBay has a record of each sale and there's no question as to whether a transaction has taken place.  On bitcointalk I think it would be difficult, if not impossible, for a "trade feedback" system to be accurate and free from abuse.  It's not as though the forum facilitates trades itself.

And Jet Cash, I'm not really keeping track of who's on DT anymore.  I did not see mentioned in this thread who's on it without any positive trust.  Perhaps I missed it, but is it a case of a DT member giving positive trust to an alt account or something?  I would certainly think that anyone on DT1 should have a record of their trustworthiness--if not from trades then for good works on the forum.  The latter usually result in positive trust from other DT members.

[OgNasty]

Vod’s trust ratings on me are 100% provable lies.

But you respect me too much to prove even one lie?

You are a proveable scammer, and instead of providing any evidence you are not, all you do is call me a liar.

I'll happily show you my taxes in person.  How about that?  If you are unwilling to meet me in person to review my taxes, then you are just wildly speculating and refusing to see the truth when offered.  Basically, you're a lying little bitch, but everyone already knows that.

[Vod]

I'll happily show you my taxes in person.  How about that?  If you are unwilling to meet me in person to review my taxes, then you are just wildly speculating and refusing to see the truth when offered.  Basically, you're a lying little bitch, but everyone already knows that.

TMAN/Lauda/owlcatz/minifrij/hhampuz have all taunted me claiming they know who I am. Still I don’t give a fuck. I would give thanks to god if any or all of them showed up on my doorstep one day. That would be the ass kicking of a lifetime.

You keep dreaming about me, tough guy.   

[xolxol]

Vod’s trust ratings on me are 100% provable lies, yet he sits in DT1 even after theymos told him he would be removed for posting such lying trust ratings about me. How is this justified? Why is this allowed?

Sounding more and more like cryptocunts obsession with Lauda...

you really should wank more

cunt

TMAN you are lauda's bitch,you arent trusted by the admin end of story.

[TMAN]

TMAN you are lauda's bitch,you arent trusted by the admin end of story.

So what? You are a pajeet who the admin doesn’t even know exists...