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[Chikito]

So can anyone please guide me for post that screenshots here.

You need image posting host, go to https://id.imgbb.com/ then upload your screenshot, copy the link you can post here.
But that link can't be appears image when you still less of 12 post to be junior member.
note : move your thread on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=39.0

[Jet Cash]

I could give you a url for you to post images off the forum, but I'm reluctant to do it. The awarding of merit is such a subjective topic, and I suspect that many awarders use it to influence posting behaviour. For example, I rarely award merit to posters with all caps thread titles, non standard or formatted text, misuse of images, or merit beginning. Not everybody agrees with this policy.

Perhaps you could post links to some of the suspect posts, and the community can venture an opinion.

[mk4]

You don't even need to post images. You can simply quote the merited replies that you think are gained in a non-legitimate way, and post it here through editing your main post. Then, the Federal Bitcointalk Investigators(FBI) might be able to see if there are some evidence of merit buying or merit sending by account farmers.

[darklus123]

Just simply copy the thread link and post it down right here. Even tho, there are really obvious in the merit system it is really quite hard to provide a very solid evidences especially if the trade conversion happens outside the forum.

I really hate it when the subjective matter are actually being used to abuse this system. In some cases there are also common points where a certain user feels like he/she should also send to that other user because he/she have given by that user.

[Findingnemo]

Merit abuse will not work in long term because it is easy to detect merit buyer based on their posting history but what you call it as shit posts?

I saw many merits for just a one word reply but it doesn't mean shit it might be due to sarcatic or extremely subjective to the topic.

I am getting feel that you are talking about WO gang.

[UmerIdrees]

I am very sorry to talk anout this but i have seen that many of hero and legendary members got merit on such shitty posts. Can someone.please explain me how can they get high merits on such posts which are not able to get half merit!!!!?

I have screenshot of some posts which get merit like this but I don't know how can i post here. So can anyone please guide me for post that screenshots here.

Posting the screenshot in this Forum is not so difficult. Just upload your image at https://imgur.com/ and then copy the "BBCode (Forums)" link and post it here in your post.

Merits cannot be challenged and anyone can give merit to anyone without any criteria. Even if i like a one word post, i can give merit to it. Its my own wish and liking and no one has any right to speak on it.

[Upgrade00]

Merits cannot be challenged and anyone can give merit to anyone without any criteria.

Except in extreme and obvious cases of abuse like when an account gets hacked and the new person behind the account distributes merits to alts or sells them out.
Besides that, it's pretty anyone's game. Theymos once discussed it, and concluded that; it's not much of an issue, except they're merit sources where it'd be looked into. In regular cases, they are going to run out of smerits eventually.

[LoyceV]

I am very sorry to talk anout this but i have seen that many of hero and legendary members got merit on such shitty posts.

I highly doubt Legendary members would be buying Merit, they don't have any use for it (except for bragging rights).

To address your concern: not all merited posts are actually worth their Merit, but I'd like to believe that's only a small part of total Merit distribution.

[dkbit98]

There is no perfect merit distribution system,
and whatever system we invent, there will always be cheaters, self-meriting and self-ranking up.

[TheUltraElite]

I have screenshot of some posts which get merit like this but I don't know how can i post here. So can anyone please guide me for post that screenshots here.

There is no use of posting them anywhere. Like others said, giving out merits is subjective and you may not find some post worthy of getting merit but someone else might feel them to be worth it. I would rather tell you to not be so critical about which post is getting merit and if your posts are not getting merits, which is what actually is bothering you.

Be a participant in discussions as much as your knowledge goes and be a good observer. Every system is going to have some amount of abuse but it is the best the admins could come up with to curb some of the spam in many sections of the forum and prevent low quality posters from ranking up.

[freecitizen]

I highly doubt Legendary members would be buying Merit, they don't have any use for it (except for bragging rights).

Sometimes signature campaign managers require a minimum amount of earned merit in the last n days, but many Legendary accounts for various reasons do not match these conditions, so I do think it's possible that some Legendaries buy merit.

[Lucius]

Sometimes signature campaign managers require a minimum amount of earned merit in the last n days, but many Legendary accounts for various reasons do not match these conditions, so I do think it's possible that some Legendaries buy merit.

I agree with this, there is many Legendary members who did not get not even one merit so far, and some campaigns requiring at least 5 merits, which is too low in my opinion.

Merits have become commodities, people are always looking for a way to bypass the system and if it is possible to earn on it. Buying / selling merits is just one way to get them, but there is not secret that some members use their alt accounts for merit exchange between them.

However in general merits are not moderated, user can give from 1 to 50 merits to any post no matter how post seemed shitty in the eyes of the one who reads the same post.

[LoyceV]

Sometimes signature campaign managers require a minimum amount of earned merit in the last n days, but many Legendary accounts for various reasons do not match these conditions, so I do think it's possible that some Legendaries buy merit.

Any good campaign manager would still check the post quality, including the Merited posts. If the post isn't worth it, it shouldn't be counted as merited to qualify for the campaign.

I agree with this, there is many Legendary members who did not get not even one merit so far, and some campaigns requiring at least 5 merits, which is too low in my opinion.

Merits have become commodities, people are always looking for a way to bypass the system and if it is possible to earn on it. Buying / selling merits is just one way to get them, but there is not secret that some members use their alt accounts for merit exchange between them.

I've seen prices up to $20 per Merit. At that rate, it's even cheaper to hire someone to write a high quality post (with the risk of plagiarism!). I really don't get that people would rather pay that much for a single Merit than puting some effort in their posts.

[freecitizen]

I agree with this, there is many Legendary members who did not get not even one merit so far, and some campaigns requiring at least 5 merits, which is too low in my opinion.

I think any account which hasn't earned any merit in the last 12 months should lost a possibility to wear a signature. Perhaps it would contribute to a more quality posting on the forum.

Any good campaign manager would still check the post quality, including the Merited posts. If the post isn't worth it, it shouldn't be counted as merited to qualify for the campaign.

How can a campaign manager judge that a comment worth a Merit or isn't if it is a subjective assessment system?

[LoyceV]

I think any account which hasn't earned any merit in the last 12 months should lost a possibility to wear a signature. Perhaps it would contribute to a more quality posting on the forum.

That includes punishing inactive accounts, such as this one.

Any good campaign manager would still check the post quality, including the Merited posts. If the post isn't worth it, it shouldn't be counted as merited to qualify for the campaign.

How can a campaign manager judge that a comment worth a Merit or isn't if it is a subjective assessment system?

Easy: a campaign manager can do whatever he wants.

Bitcointalk Username:  Green547
Bitcointalk Rank:  Full Member
Full Merit history: http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/Merit/history/1188895.html
Number of Posts: 322
Bitcoin Address:  1MK4Pkf7LhxNsgNxwHXFZtHj6jvW15qCpD

You have received suspiciously large amounts of Merit for posts that aren't worth it. I don't count that as "earned" Merit. Ending up on exactly enough Merit to become a Full Member an hour before applying doesn't help your case. Rejected.

[Coyster]

I think any account which hasn't earned any merit in the last 12 months should lost a possibility to wear a signature. Perhaps it would contribute to a more quality posting on the forum.

This would be a shrewd idea if you look at it from one angle, but i do not see theymos putting any signature restrictions(such as this)anytime soon.
The onus falls on the campaign/campaign managers to do so, if they feel it'll help clean the campaign off bad posters, and I think top campaign managers look into this, they check the general posting quality, if it's good, then the user must have earned one merit in 12 months, hence eligible; if its terrible, with no merits in the last 365 days, then it'll be a no, except in cases where the account is inactive, which they hardly even consider.

How can a campaign manager judge that a comment worth a Merit or isn't if it is a subjective assessment system?

Most campaign managers(top BTC campaign managers) have been in the system for a very long time, some are merit sources, spam busters, DT members, mods etc, their cv speaks for them, thus it'll be a stroll in the park for them, deciding if a post is worth a merit for whatever reason possible.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Most campaign managers(top BTC campaign managers) have been in the system for a very long time, some are merit sources, spam busters, DT members, mods etc, their cv speaks for them, thus it'll be a stroll in the park for them, deciding if a post is worth a merit for whatever reason possible.

This is true for campaigns which pay in BTC, which makes sense; if a company are paying real money for their advertising, then they only want to hire the best campaign manager and the best posters. The problem is that BTC paying campaigns are the minority of all campaigns. The majority of campaigns are paid in newly created altcoins or tokens which the creators pre-mine, and so their advertising literally doesn't cost them anything. For these campaigns, they will hire any old manager who doesn't care about merit, and any old users with minimal or even zero earned merit to spam for them.

There have been several solutions suggested over the previous year, including removing or decaying all airdropped merit, removing signatures if no merit earned in the last x months, renting your signature for the cost of 1 merit per month, and so forth. I do think there is some merit (pun intended) to these suggestions; a lot of the spammers are either depending on airdropped merit or a single merit from months ago which was likely bought.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

This is just a phase, no worries you'll grow out of it when you do rank up, if only you take a decision to pay less attention to who is getting meriting and more attention to developing yourself into getting merited. We have

131 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 21045 sMerit per 30 days

meaning there's enough smerit to go round. Before the recent appointment of new merit sources there was still a large amount of monthly smerits, circulating the forum. Substracting the propose merit abuses you speak of by the Hero/legendary rank, there would had still been enough smerits to go round.

Hardly before you see any Hero/Legendary (mostly old era) members having above 500/1000 earned smerits that's just to prove there isn't much meriting ongoing at those rank as the lower rank presumed. The 1,2,3 meriting you see, does nothing much to those ranks in regards to ranking up.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I highly doubt Legendary members would be buying Merit, they don't have any use for it (except for bragging rights).

I doubt it too.  I sure as hell wouldn't buy any merits, not even for bragging rights--it just doesn't matter that much to me since I don't need them to rank up any further.  I didn't suck Foxpup off, either, by the way.  He's apparently just a fan of my posts.

OP, I'd be curious to know what posts you're talking about.  Can you quote them or something if you can't post an image?  I do agree that there are many posts made by higher-ranked members that get merited, and the quality of said posts is iffy.  It just happens from time to time, and it's not exclusive to Hero and Legendary ranks. 

People give merits for all sorts of different reasons, so I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that there's anything suspicious about it when it happens.  I've merited posts that were just memes, and I've merited very short posts if they made me laugh or if I strongly agreed with them.  I try not to do that anymore, but if you looked through my meriting history, you'd be sure to find examples of posts that you'd likely think didn't deserve to be merited.

I agree with this, there is many Legendary members who did not get not even one merit so far, and some campaigns requiring at least 5 merits, which is too low in my opinion.

Yeah, it probably is too low.  On the other hand, at least those campaigns have a merit requirement--there's no obligation for a manager to require a particular number of merits, and it's a good thing when they do.