How to stop paying taxes, and get out from under government control.

[semobo]

Why not pay taxes? After all, they often go to good deeds, to health care, the environment, etc. Or am I mistaken somewhere?

If you didn't mistake then the word corruption won't exist now.

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[moonhub]

Why not pay taxes? After all, they often go to good deeds, to health care, the environment, etc. Or am I mistaken somewhere?

If you didn't mistake then the word corruption won't exist now.

There is corruption, yes, but it, if my mind doesn’t fail me, doesn’t affect citizens as much as it does in some third world countries.

[semobo]

Why not pay taxes? After all, they often go to good deeds, to health care, the environment, etc. Or am I mistaken somewhere?

If you didn't mistake then the word corruption won't exist now.

There is corruption, yes, but it, if my mind doesn’t fail me, doesn’t affect citizens as much as it does in some third world countries.

Who knows maybe your country could turn into most corrupted country in the next year itself if everyone got the same mindset as yours.

[BADecker]

It's as simple as this. You don't pay taxes to other countries that you are not a citizen of. Most countries make statements that their land is their country. But the USA essentially has basic law that shows that if you are a man/woman, you don't have to be part of the USA country, even if you live on the land that the USA determines to control.

[Spendulus]

Why not pay taxes? After all, they often go to good deeds, to health care, the environment, etc. Or am I mistaken somewhere?

The only way to be a US citizen and not pay federal income taxes is to become a resident of the US territory, Puerto Rico.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/4/16385658/puerto-rico-taxes-hurricane

Everything in this thread to the contrary is a lie.

What about not earning income as a US citizen?     

Or did you mean everything previous in this thread?

I mean all the crap you are spouting.

[BADecker]

Why not pay taxes? After all, they often go to good deeds, to health care, the environment, etc. Or am I mistaken somewhere?

The only way to be a US citizen and not pay federal income taxes is to become a resident of the US territory, Puerto Rico.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/4/16385658/puerto-rico-taxes-hurricane

Everything in this thread to the contrary is a lie.

What about not earning income as a US citizen?     

Or did you mean everything previous in this thread?

I mean all the crap you are spouting.

I get it. You mean nothing.     

[countryfree]

Why not pay taxes? After all, they often go to good deeds, to health care, the environment, etc. Or am I mistaken somewhere?

The only way to be a US citizen and not pay federal income taxes is to become a resident of the US territory, Puerto Rico.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/4/16385658/puerto-rico-taxes-hurricane

Everything in this thread to the contrary is a lie.

I'm not American, but I know there's another way. You may legally avoid US tax, if you're a US citizen permanently living outside the US, and if you earn less than $100,000 per year.

[BADecker]

Why not pay taxes? After all, they often go to good deeds, to health care, the environment, etc. Or am I mistaken somewhere?

The only way to be a US citizen and not pay federal income taxes is to become a resident of the US territory, Puerto Rico.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/4/16385658/puerto-rico-taxes-hurricane

Everything in this thread to the contrary is a lie.

I'm not American, but I know there's another way. You may legally avoid US tax, if you're a US citizen permanently living outside the US, and if you earn less than $100,000 per year.

But Spendy is right... if you want to be a US citizen, and live in the US. Or almost right.

The point of this thread is being a State Citizen, receiving all the benefits of US citizenship, but not being a US citizen, and still living in America. It's perfectly legal to do. And it works like I have said. All the States (that have income tax) base their income tax on Federal IRS forms. A person who is a State Citizen is not a US citizen necessarily. If he is not a US citizen, but IS a State Citizen, has no filing or paying requirements of US citizens.

People who are from other countries outside the USA, might have difficulty obtaining State Citizen status. But they might not. State Citizen non-US citizens are protect by State autonomy, from US requirements in many things. After all, the US gave the States their autonomy. And the 10th Amendment upholds this autonomy, even though the States don't always exercise every aspect of the autonomy that they have.

So, if you are not a US citizen, but have accepted US reporting and paying status (green card), you might be required to to file and pay. But if you get State Citizenship status, you aren't required to file or pay, even though you live in the USA.

[Naida_BR]

Become a State Citizen, and back it up with man-to-man common law.

BEAT THE LAW | DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY | STATE CITIZEN PASSPORT - http://coppermoonshinestills.com/id71.html.

Learn more - http://www.abodia.com/.

Even more - http://jurorinlaw.com/talkshoe/klentz/.

If you want to pay no taxes then you will have to pay for everything. Transportation, insurance, retirement funds etc.
A system that doesn't require you to pay taxes is based on the fact that no good or service is on the government's hands. Something that leads to economic inefficiencies, thus it is catastrophic for any state.

[akram143]

Don't use banks for transactions.

If chance for doing personal transaction always go with it so it won't be recorded anywhere.

Learn about tax avoiding and evading.

[BADecker]

Become a State Citizen, and back it up with man-to-man common law.

BEAT THE LAW | DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY | STATE CITIZEN PASSPORT - http://coppermoonshinestills.com/id71.html.

Learn more - http://www.abodia.com/.

Even more - http://jurorinlaw.com/talkshoe/klentz/.

If you want to pay no taxes then you will have to pay for everything. Transportation, insurance, retirement funds etc.
A system that doesn't require you to pay taxes is based on the fact that no good or service is on the government's hands. Something that leads to economic inefficiencies, thus it is catastrophic for any state.

So, let me ask you. If you don't use transportation (because you walk to work), and you don't have insurance because you never need it, and your kids support you so you don't have a retirement fund, why should somebody (government) steal much of your money to give to other people who want all the stuff you don't want?

Somebody pays for stuff. Why not the people who use it? Then you wouldn't have to support a bunch of bureaucrats for doing the office work to regulate all the taxes.

If the average grocery store customer pays $300 a month for groceries, but you only pay for $150 for groceries, should you really all pay $300 just so that somebody else can get $400 worth? Wouldn't you rather buy what you want, pay for it, and let the other people handle their affairs?

Get your hand out of my pocket. Buy your own transportation, insurance, retirement fund, library usage time, hospitalization, etc., and get your hand out of my pocket. Nobody says you can't go and donate your money wherever you want. But don't steal mine.

[akram143]

Become a State Citizen, and back it up with man-to-man common law.

BEAT THE LAW | DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY | STATE CITIZEN PASSPORT - http://coppermoonshinestills.com/id71.html.

Learn more - http://www.abodia.com/.

Even more - http://jurorinlaw.com/talkshoe/klentz/.

If you want to pay no taxes then you will have to pay for everything. Transportation, insurance, retirement funds etc.
A system that doesn't require you to pay taxes is based on the fact that no good or service is on the government's hands. Something that leads to economic inefficiencies, thus it is catastrophic for any state.

So, let me ask you. If you don't use transportation (because you walk to work), and you don't have insurance because you never need it, and your kids support you so you don't have a retirement fund, why should somebody (government) steal much of your money to give to other people who want all the stuff you don't want?

Somebody pays for stuff. Why not the people who use it? Then you wouldn't have to support a bunch of bureaucrats for doing the office work to regulate all the taxes.

If the average grocery store customer pays $300 a month for groceries, but you only pay for $150 for groceries, should you really all pay $300 just so that somebody else can get $400 worth? Wouldn't you rather buy what you want, pay for it, and let the other people handle their affairs?

Get your hand out of my pocket. Buy your own transportation, insurance, retirement fund, library usage time, hospitalization, etc., and get your hand out of my pocket. Nobody says you can't go and donate your money wherever you want. But don't steal mine.

I am also not using the government offering facilities that much but still I am paying for it just because I was born in that land.Unfair though.

If I have one more life,I would like to born where there is no government and taxes,so tht I can enjoy with what I have no need to beg from government.

[kiki9232]

  what do you mean?

[akram143]

what do you mean?

Use all your earned money for yourself not for the welfare of you country is the literal meaning of not paying taxes to your government.

[BADecker]

^^^ Actually, that is not entirely true.

Part of the meaning is to not supply government people with pay, because you don't really know that they will do a good job. It seems that the non-governmental business sector uses money far more wisely than government does.

Another part is that you get to decide to whom you are going to donate, rather than being force to let government people decide for you. In ages past, hospitals and churches and private organizations took on the job accepting donations and handling what was done with the money.

Another part is that  you aren't required to pay for things that you don't believe are right. Say you are a Democrat. Say,also, that the Republicans are in control in government. You are adamantly against the wars that the Republicans are promoting with your tax dollars. But taxation forces you to pay.

Be honest. Get rid of taxation. Buy what you want from government... or elsewhere if government quality or price isn't good enough. Donate to those who don't have as much money as you do. And don't force others to pay for things that you want.

[7777wonder]

I would not advice any one to take that part because ,taxes are use to build the economy of any country ,we need roads, hospital these are done with the money we give to government as taxes


I believe that is not the best approach to it because paying taxes will increase I infrastructure


The federal government can arrest a person that fails to pay is taxes


There is a lot if benefits that is associated with tax payment,which can lead to the upgrade of the economy


People who try to skip tax payment might end up in jail it ask to pay higher from fine with is quit higher than the previous amount to be paid

[countryfree]

Last time I've paid income tax was in 1997, so it can be done... And no country wants to put me in jail.

[semobo]

Last time I've paid income tax was in 1997, so it can be done... And no country wants to put me in jail.

Means you are not making money in millions that is why you didn't get attention.

[BADecker]

People who try to skip tax payment might end up in jail it ask to pay higher from fine with is quit higher than the previous amount to be paid

Taxation is stealing. In America, if people use the law right, they don't have to pay taxes. The law is against stealing. The only reason why people pay is that they don't know the law, and most government people are trying to hide the law from them.

[af_newbie]

People who try to skip tax payment might end up in jail it ask to pay higher from fine with is quit higher than the previous amount to be paid

Taxation is stealing. In America, if people use the law right, they don't have to pay taxes. The law is against stealing. The only reason why people pay is that they don't know the law, and most government people are trying to hide the law from them.

If you were ever issued SSN, you have to pay taxes on your passive and active income.

If you don't, you'll end up in jail and lose all your net worth.