Whales Every time change the market??

[EdenHazard]

seeing some level of manipulation in the market doesn't mean "control". you can manipulate price of anything, even in the biggest markets out there but as long as the market has a bit of a decent volume and is not that small, it can not be controlled. bitcoin market has not been small for at least 6 years.

if you are making mistakes and not making money (losing?) while in bitcoin market maybe the problem is with your decision making. you should know that trading is not easy and you can't just jump in without any prior experience and expect to be successful!

As long as there's a high volume traded i think even a whale that have huge balance in the bag will not win against the people power to move the market as they wish , a free market like cryptocurrency is way more difficult complex unlike stocks market which the potential for some people/groups to 'control' the market is actually very high .
And yes in the short term it might affected significantly to change the market direction but not for the long term especially in the last few years where crypto market grow quickly. The bottom line is that whales could be beaten  . So be it.

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[el kaka22]

Guys i have a serious  problem. Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits. But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time? Someone can say me please learn  aboth the trading.But the my idea is trading is just some patterns of market changes. Not rules. The market just can be  changed by whales and news anytime.

You can't sell bitcoin at the right time, bitcoin is an anti-inflation currency which means no matter how much it goes down, eventually it will go up. That is why I think it is definitely a wrong time to sell bitcoin right now, maybe it will still go down a bit but I see a great potential of it in the near future, specially now that halving is getting closer I feel like price will definitely easily double if not triple in the next 1 year.

If you want to make sure when you can make money then check out the futures, that is where the big whale movements happen, when you see a lot of shorts bought then you know someone is about to sell a lot of coins because they are manipulating that way, check the short future contracts and if there is a big buy then sell your coins.

[Ararbermas]

Guys i have a serious  problem. Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits. But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time? Someone can say me please learn  aboth the trading.But the my idea is trading is just some patterns of market changes. Not rules. The market just can be  changed by whales and news anytime.

if you want to trade on this situation you need to become active everytime in order to obtain more information about the movement of the market. Especially if you want to obtain quick profits. because it's actually normal that the growth rate always made changes time on time due the volatility. So you must adjust your time and put more efforts on it to don't miss all the opportunity . Because market will not make an adjustment for you and it's all up to you  . better think about it mate. 

[SquallLeonhart]

Guys i have a serious  problem. Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits. But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time? Someone can say me please learn  aboth the trading.But the my idea is trading is just some patterns of market changes. Not rules. The market just can be  changed by whales and news anytime.

Then make it a strategy to follow, learn their activities and learn to follow the news to trade, that is what a smart trader does, because as you are complaining right now, there is little to which complaint can do because none of those people you are complaining to has the power to change how the market operates single handedly or stop the whales from behaving the way they do.

The only way that we can control the whales is to always double cross them and double crossing the whales is not so easy, it requires thorough monitoring of their activities through those exchanges where they operate through, then from there, you can always how to trade along with them and still be successful. If we continue to look at the problem, we might not be able to trade fine, but we have to always look at the solution to the problem.

[Slow death]

Guys i have a serious  problem.

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should be an urgent problem for you to create a bitcointalk account and post

Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits.

And where is this proof that whales are on the market? I see many people say that it is the whales that drive the market, when the price drops too many people say it is the fault of the whales; Interestingly, when the price goes up so much I don't hear people say it's the fault of the whales.

But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time? Someone can say me please learn  aboth the trading.But the my idea is trading is just some patterns of market changes. Not rules. The market just can be  changed by whales and news anytime.

Take for example the current price:



What do you think? Is it the right time to buy or is it the right time to sell and abandon the boat?

Now look at what will happen in the next few years:

Bakkt Announces Sept. 23 Launch of Futures and Custody Platform in US

https://www.coingecko.com/pt/explain/bitcoin_halving

so you already know this is a good time to buy bitcoin

[jhonjhon]

Guys i have a serious  problem. Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits. But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time? Someone can say me please learn  aboth the trading.But the my idea is trading is just some patterns of market changes. Not rules. The market just can be  changed by whales and news anytime.

Whales are always and is already there whether we like it or not, they may have an impact on the market price but I don't think have a control over the bitcoins price because no one is controlling or can control bitcoin, it's in its nature so don't always think that it is the whales is the only reason we have this price right because there are some other factors that can affect the price, I would suggest for you to study the market trend and don't use whales as the reason of you being unsuccessful.

[Slow death]

Whales are always and is already there whether we like it or not...

The problem is that nobody can show at least 2 or 5 whales, if these whales can manipulate the market, then how can it be very difficult for people to show them by manipulating the price? How is it possible that until today it is not known who these whales are?

I would suggest for you to study the market trend and don't use whales as the reason of you being unsuccessful.

well many people blame the supposed whales whenever they lose money

[jeraldskie11]

Whales is always a whale and I believe that there is a possibility to change the market because they have a lot of money to play with it. But make it as your time for buying, just get a perfect analysis of when the whale may buy and you will join with them if you do, surely you will earn profit.

[SirLancelot]

Whales control the market but is not all the time that they do that . They are like coming once in a while and when they invest and pump the market then they leave. Any other fluctuation of the market price is caused by the people's rate of demand and not the whales, there are times when the market demand is lower than the supply and there are also times that the market demand is high, that's the time you will see the market price increasing heavily.

You're bit right about what you have said though, because the market price of Bitcoin is quite unpredictable. But you still have to learn how to do a market analysis, it can be very helpful at times. There are times you will be able to get close prediction of something that is about to happen.

So you still need to learn it. And it's not just that, you also need to be reading the news at all times and being current. And whenever you come across some important news you need to do proper research to know whether they are saying the truth or not. There are some news that are able to cause a panic and there are also some news that can cause people to start buying and when they start buying the market starts to increase.

You should also follow analysis online, most of them are really helpful, especially those that are coming from experts.

[trickyriky]

Guys i have a serious  problem. Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits. But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time? Someone can say me please learn  aboth the trading.But the my idea is trading is just some patterns of market changes. Not rules. The market just can be  changed by whales and news anytime.

Very often, people simply exaggerate the whale’s market effect on the price of Bitcoin. A bit more than 30 largest crypto whales control about 7% of the total cryptocurrencies supply, and when you consider the lost BTC, this percentage will drop to 5-4%.
Only several whales are very active, and when they act, they are more likely to support the price of Bitcoin than to let it go down.

[pawanjain]

I understand what you feel when the market goes against you. This happens most of the times with most of us and there is no running away from it.
You should learn to make strategies of your own which can make profits despite of this manipulation of market.
Tip: Don't go for the crowd or don't follow anybody. Make your own targets and buy/sell according to your plan. You will definitely see the results.

[LogitechMouse]

Guys i have a serious  problem. Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits. But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time? Someone can say me please learn  aboth the trading.But the my idea is trading is just some patterns of market changes. Not rules. The market just can be  changed by whales and news anytime.

That is how the market is right now. The market has been controlled by the whales and we can't do anything about it. Don't stressed yourself in trading especially if whales are controlling the market.

In my observation, the whales in the exchanges are only pumping those low volumed coins so the best thing to do is to trade with the coins with a high daily volume. How can you sell your Bitcoin at a correct time?? Impossible because you can't predict the future especially in Bitcoin. There is no such thing as correct time in crypto. If you got a profit already then you can say it as a correct time already.

[arpon11]

Guys i have a serious  problem. Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits. But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time? Someone can say me please learn  aboth the trading.But the my idea is trading is just some patterns of market changes. Not rules. The market just can be  changed by whales and news anytime.

It is supply and demand that determine the price of bitcoin and understand on how the demand and supply works will help you do what the whales are doing and makes profits along with them. Remember what will really make you successfully as a trader is not either you are whale or not but the knowledge and experience on when to buy when the experts and whales are buying and when to sell when they are selling. We always sift responsible because we thought some one is having big advantage over us because of his capital but we have equal advantage.

[juperos]

Guys i have a serious  problem. Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits. But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time? Someone can say me please learn  aboth the trading.But the my idea is trading is just some patterns of market changes. Not rules. The market just can be  changed by whales and news anytime.

  No, don't think so negatively. The whales still work on charts and psychology of traders, then they make decisions to manipulate prices.
Therefore, technical analysis is essential and it is also knowledge that helps us lose less.
Believe me, TA will definitely help you a lot in stressful transactions.

[ene1980]

Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits. But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time?

If anyone has the ability to predict the market exactly then they are not called humans, rather than complicating things if you make and have a simple plan anyone can succeed in trading, first and foremost get rid of the idea about making a fortune in a short period of time, invest when the market drops and have a calculation on how much profit you are expecting and how long you are planning to hold and then make a call about selling, never sell anything in a panic mode when the market drops, it will recover eventually.

[Ridwan Fauzi]

Guys i have a serious  problem. Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits. But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time? Someone can say me please learn  aboth the trading.But the my idea is trading is just some patterns of market changes. Not rules. The market just can be  changed by whales and news anytime.

You won't say them or believe as what you said if you have an ability and knowledge to trade especially the technical analyst strategy. You can ask on this forum how many people here who have made a lot profit through technical analyst in every trade they pass I guess it is a loot. The whales act only happen once a time, not all price movement based on them.

It is not good to believe negative thinking that you have to gain money through trading. If you believe that cryptocurrency is one place to gain money then I suggest to forget that think but if you don't I suggest to you to find another place to store your money. You can focus to learn more about how to trade on this place and don't store your money first seems like it will harm you for sure.

[carter34]

Guys i have a serious  problem. Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits. But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time? Someone can say me please learn  aboth the trading.But the my idea is trading is just some patterns of market changes. Not rules. The market just can be  changed by whales and news anytime.

But if you keep getting angry with the whales, The best way to know what the whales are intending to do is to monitor their orders. This is possible by checking on the market for either pending order for sale or buy, you can then make your own decision.

[Kasabus]

Guys i have a serious  problem. Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits. But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time? Someone can say me please learn  aboth the trading.But the my idea is trading is just some patterns of market changes. Not rules. The market just can be  changed by whales and news anytime.

But if you keep getting angry with the whales, The best way to know what the whales are intending to do is to monitor their orders. This is possible by checking on the market for either pending order for sale or buy, you can then make your own decision.

They are part of the community, what they did is just their strategies as well which is no reason why we put blame with them in times that price moves downward. Cause in my part, I'm so thankful of whales existence whoever who they are, it gives chances for us make a good price to buy and helping to make a profit as well. Those people who complain are those persons who never understand the risk in crypto and the way it works.

[bounceback]

when the whales appear to be free in moving prices, they also have strategies that sometimes benefit us, the market sometimes needs them especially if the trend is sideways.

Although our capital is not as much as they have, there is no harm in understanding how they think and we just need to adjust, because trends sometimes emerge with patterns that are similar to things that happened before.

[Mahanton]

when the whales appear to be free in moving prices, they also have strategies that sometimes benefit us, the market sometimes needs them especially if the trend is sideways.

Although our capital is not as much as they have, there is no harm in understanding how they think and we just need to adjust, because trends sometimes emerge with patterns that are similar to things that happened before.

You are right and this is what im doing even the patterns isnt the same anytime but somehow you do have basis that it might happen again. Whales might have negative image into others but i cant deny that they are indeed having benefits if you do know how to utilize price movements made by them.
The only question here is that we wont know on when these whales are tending to move.You can only detect it when you are on mid way.