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August 26, 2019, 08:11:29 AM
Last edit: August 27, 2019, 05:37:36 AM by asayoyaasa
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We know that becoming a bounty manager can be a profitable job here. Almost every day new ICO/IEO and other projects create his announcement here and most of them do have bounties to promote the project.
Many projects = many Bounty Manager. But not all of the bounty managers have experience in managing bounty, some of them just have a high rank but zero knowledge of how to manage bounty properly and because of this, the bounty manager can harm the bounty hunters or even himself.

So let make a review about what should and what shouldn't bounty managers do.

  • Just because you get paid upfront, doesn't mean you can accept blindly any project offered to you. Well, at least do some background check to the team of the project. I've seen several BM who got red trusted on their account just because they manage a scam project with a fake team. If you don't trust me go on see by your self at scam accusations board. If you got red trust in your account, it's almost a guarantee that you will never manage a bounty again in the future. Even if you do that project may be just another scam project. So just remember to do some basic background check, it will save you.
  • Make sure to ask that the rule sets for bounty will never change in the middle of the campaign, even if that happens please make sure you put a warning that the rule can be changed by certain criteria at your bounty thread. But if at the start of the campaign you say there no KYC but at the end of campaign you ask for it. It's just a dick move, I know its not your fault as a bounty manager but the team of the project, so please make sure something like that, your credibility is in line here.
  • And lastly customize your spreadsheet man. I see so many bounty spreadsheets that didn't even hide an email of the participants. At least make it uncopiable and undownloadable. Hell, if I was a spammer it will be awesome to find 13k list of a crypto related user email on a google spreadsheet just like this. See how dangerous this is? I can send a phishing link, malware, ad, etc to their email cause all of them open to the public and available to anyone to download or make a copy of it. And if it was a content creation campaign please also hide the link to the article or the video. cause there too many lazy hunters who just copy someone else's article and spin it so it will look original.
  • Proof read your bounty thread and make sure the rules are clearly stated before you click the post button.
    I have seen a lot of bounty threads even from experienced managers with poorly written rules. Some were just copied from other people's template.
  • Managers should ask for Escrow service to make sure that participants will get payments for their works.
    I saw many bounties that abruptly end, and no payments at all for participants, even they worked for 5, 10, 20 weeks. That's weird management style and should avoid.
  • It is also wrong to manage more campaigns that you can[t] handle, and some managers do just that.
    If you operate by yourself make sure that you capable of handling that bounty, if not please ask other people to help you as your team.
  • So I'd add a rule like if certain data - user name, mail, twitter, whatever is not needed, don't ask for it; and if you receive it, verify it.
    Ask for POA (Proof Of authentication) Trust me there will be a lot of cheaters who tried to make money as much as possible with less work as possible. If its an airdrop you manage that will be more than a hundred users who use someone else's name/username to join.
  • If someone going to manage a bounty please make it as spam free which is good for the forum and also for the project. Never hire someone just for the post and try to change the trend of current bounties where people posting some words and get paid for it.
    Limit your participants to certain cap like 100 or maximum 500 then this could be manageable with high quality spam free management.
    I'll add some more, like if you need your participants to submit a report every week, just create a google form man. So your thread will be clean from all those weekly reports. And i know some of you do this on purpose, so your post will be automatically bumped lol.

Well, that's all for now. But I'm open to suggestions so just leave your comment down below stating what should and what shouldn't bounty managers do and ill add them to this thread.
Even some legendary bounty manager here start from newbie, so seize the day my friend. Learn from now and maybe you'll have the opportunity in the future.



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August 26, 2019, 08:54:11 AM
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You may add this to the list:

Proof read your bounty thread and make sure the rules are clearly stated before you click the post button.

I have seen a lot of bounty threads even from experienced managers with poorly written rules. Some were just copied from other people's template.


You reminded me of this thread I created few months ago
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August 26, 2019, 08:59:24 AM
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not all of the bounty managers have experience in managing bounty, some of them just have a high rank but zero knowledge of how to manage bounty properly and because of this, the bounty manager can harm the bounty hunters or even himself.
Bounties are complicated to manage, due to many types of promotions, Facebook, Twitter, Telegram, Content Creation, Blog/Articles, Translation, etc. Furthermore, bounties are more preferable by abusers, because most of bounties don't ask for high-quality users, below average, instead.
In contrast, signature campaigns are easy to manage. Because if managers are good posters, and serious with their works, they will eliminate shitposters at beginning, and over weeks of campaigns, it is easy to check post quality and reject payments for bad posts.
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Just because you get paid upfront, doesn't mean you can accept blindly any project offered to you. Well, at least do some background check to the team of the project. I've seen several BM who got red trusted on their account just because they manage a scam project with a fake team. If you don't trust me go on see by your self at scam accusations board. If you got red trust in your account, it's almost a guarantee that you will never manage a bounty again in the future. Even if you do that project may be just another scam project. So just remember to do some basic background check, it will save you.
It is right, but not completely true. Scam projects mostly managed by scam-favorited, and low-quality managers. They don't care about red trust, because their targets is working for scam projects. That's all.
If you notice, you should see that most of negative trusted managers are from old-era, it means they got that rank without merit system, and they are low-quality high-ranked users as well as bad managers.
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Make sure to ask that the rule sets for bounty will never change in the middle of the campaign, even if that happens please make sure you put a warning that the rule can be changed by certain criteria at your bounty thread. But if at the start of the campaign you say there no KYC but at the end of campaign you ask for it. It's just a dick move, I know its not your fault as a bounty manager but the team of the project, so please make sure something like that, your credibility is in line here.
Rules can be changed, includes payment rates. However, if the campaign run for 10 weeks, and rules changed since week 5, I highly suggest to maintain payment rates and apply old rules for participants and their works during first four weeks. Changes of rules & payment rates will be only applied since week 5.
For KYC requirements, it is kind of scam management. Projects and managers should know at beginnings of their bounties that their bounties will be abused, and should have plans to screen abusers (through KYCs), and make clear point in bounty rules about KYC or non-KYC, and stick with it till the end of bounties. They can not arbitrarily change rule on KYC.
I don't say it is unfair for multi accounts because they also violate another rule (don't accept mutli account, most of campaigns/ bounties have that rule). I would like to point out that same real users don't want to do KYCs, and they should have rights to accept or reject KYC before making applications. If is unfair for them if at the end of bounties, they have to do KYCs, which they don't want to do, just to get payments.
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And lastly customize your spreadsheet man. I see so many bounty spreadsheets that didn't even hide an email of the participants. At least make it uncopiable and undownloadable. Hell, if I was a spammer it will be awesome to find 13k list of a crypto related user email on a google spreadsheet
I totally agreed with you at this point, but you know what, you made a serious mistake too.
You should screenshot that spreadsheet, and blurr details in email column. You unintentionally gave bad guys a long list of emails. So, when you see my thread, please change OP like I proposed.

One last point to add:
Managers should ask for Escrow service to make sure that participants will get payments for their works.
I saw many bounties that abruptly end, and no payments at all for participants, even they worked for 5, 10, 20 weeks. That's weird management style and should avoid.




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August 26, 2019, 09:11:11 AM
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Couldn't agree more with that no KYC.

But I think they are not paid upfront. I have tried applying as a bounty manager (community manager) in a job site twice and the offer were tokens of their project instead of BTC. Also the email addresses is really just a no-no. I have seen bounty managers allow to display the emails of their speadsheet, they'd only change it when you tell them not to.  

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One last point to add:
Managers should ask for Escrow service to make sure that participants will get payments for their works.
I saw many bounties that abruptly end, and no payments at all for participants, even they worked for 5, 10, 20 weeks. That's weird management style and should avoid.
Yes, this should be a prerequisite.
The only issue I have here is that the team also have the ability to lock their coins or tokens once payment to hunters has been made.


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A question that needs to be answered is, how would a Bounty manager know if a Bounty campaign is a scam or not, before he or she signs up to run that campaign? I have seen some campaigns that looks 100% legit, but these scammers just copy & pasted photo's of people onto their supposed "team" of people that was involved with that company, but they never worked for that company or that project.

How do you know that the email addresses provided for the "team" is legit or that it is not just re-directed to another scammer?  Roll Eyes Most of them only find out after the scam took place, that the project was a scam.  Tongue

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Who knows, even experienced managers. The odds that experienced managers scammed by experienced scammers is not extremely low.
Consequently, ask companies for using Escrow service for funds of campaigns, bounties is essential.
One last point to add:
Managers should ask for Escrow service to make sure that participants will get payments for their works.
I saw many bounties that abruptly end, and no payments at all for participants, even they worked for 5, 10, 20 weeks. That's weird management style and should avoid.
I have not yet managed a campaign, but I have a thread for my service, in which I stated that Escrow service is required or companies have to go first and send fund to me. I will stop campaigns immediately when they found to be scam ones, but payments will be sent to participants.
  • Funds of campaigns should be hold by Escrow Service providers (high trusted guys, ie. bL4nkcode; Hhampuz; or more can be found there)
  • If you don't want to use Escrow, you have to go first, and send me funds for half of your planned-period to run your campaign
  • I will immediately stop campaigns if your projects turn into scam ones; *




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August 26, 2019, 10:11:27 AM
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A question that needs to be answered is, how would a Bounty manager know if a Bounty campaign is a scam or not, before he or she signs up to run that campaign? I have seen some campaigns that looks 100% legit, but these scammers just copy & pasted photo's of people onto their supposed "team" of people that was involved with that company, but they never worked for that company or that project.

How do you know that the email addresses provided for the "team" is legit or that it is not just re-directed to another scammer?  Roll Eyes Most of them only find out after the scam took place, that the project was a scam.  Tongue
The bounty manager has a chance to check sir. They will never know the project scam or not if they don't check. I mean he can do skype with one of the team members, so he knows that the person is real and not just some random image stolen from photo stock. The manager also can try with google image, search all of the photos there and see the result.  
If the team is legit from the beginning sure we never know how its end, but just from the beginning they don't even provide with real team that some major red flag for the project

Managers should ask for Escrow service to make sure that participants will get payments for their works.
I saw many bounties that abruptly end, and no payments at all for participants, even they worked for 5, 10, 20 weeks. That's weird management style and should avoid.
yup, I have like more than 10 campaign that still paid me nothing and that bounty end in 2017 and 2018. Now I prefer the escrowed campaign, but I do make an exception to some manager since I know him personally or he knows the CEO of the project he handles. Some of the bounties don't even have their token created at the time of the campaign, so all of this back again to our self. do we choose an escrowed or non-escrow campaign?

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August 26, 2019, 10:34:41 AM
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I see bounty campaigns as maybe biggest spam generators on this forum, and this is just because anyone can be bounty manager. That's something that needs to change for start, and after that most important thing would be to escrow funds. I would also say that good manager should check every participants, some of them use other users info, especially from Hero&Legendary members who will never participated in such campaigns. It is also wrong to manage more campaigns that you can handle, and some managers do just that.

Given the amount of work in one bounty campaign it is not easy to be manager, but by doing something in wrong way any manager can only destroy his reputation. Protect your work and protect users, no one should work for free or promote scam projects.



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August 26, 2019, 10:38:06 AM
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Since nowadays many bounties allow to enroll directly by entering data in google forms, I've seen that careless bounty managers allowed to put there unneeded unverified data, like bitcointalk usernames. I've found my username in bounties I've never joined, clearly with others' FB/Twitter accounts associated. Impersonators are just other abusers.

So I'd add a rule like if certain data - user name, mail, twitter, whatever is not needed, don't ask for it; and if you receive it, verify it.

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Last edit: August 27, 2019, 02:01:40 PM by tranthidung
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do we choose an escrowed or non-escrow campaign?
It is better to choose campaigns that managed by highly reputable managers, whom will certainly pay for your works. Things behind the scene, Escrow or non-Escrow, how managers investigate campaigns before deciding to manage is their responsibility. Campaigns that have funds escrowed don't guarentee that you will get payments. Such campaigns look better than non-Escrowed campaigns, but only this factor does not guarentee anything for participants.
Companies can cheat managers, or managers can cheat participants, but Escrow service Providers can not pay for participants (it is not their responsibilities, in most cases they just hold funds, and without requests from companies or managers, they don't pay for anyone)




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August 26, 2019, 11:41:44 AM
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i hope bounty managers will begin doing research individually before tolerating any bounty job,safe yourself some notoriety and many will pursue you,been honest and thinking about members makes a bounty manager stands out among the rest

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First time bounty managers can also utilize threads like the Re: Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk III (2019 Q3) to help them investigate who are legit hunters. They can also follow what long time managers like  julerz12 and bubbalex are doing - reporting bounty abusers.

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Adding just one point I think new bounty manager use every time new account, one account manages for only one bounty my friend said that maximum bounty manager no pay after the finished bounty think the new manager keeps most of the tokens or coins in their possession.

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August 26, 2019, 02:19:02 PM
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There are a few threads that have dealt with this topic at some point, such as @hilariousandco’s Signature Campaign Guidelines (read this before starting or joining a campaign).

Most of the time it’s going to turn out to be wishful thinking though, as there is no set of official norms to go by, making it the Campaign Manager’s criteria the one that prevails (who in turn likely studied some of the running ones to see how to manage them).

The most experience managers will have their own customized criteria, and specifically the Bitcoin paying campaigns will normally be the best managed ones, tending to have a very low tolerance to their participants spamming the forum. On the other hand, a great deal of managers are there for the ICO and may likely not take part as managers again, being their criteria much more laxed and less thought out, priming visibility of their campaign by exposure.

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August 26, 2019, 06:18:56 PM
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I did't see anything related to spam yet so I am leaving my words here,if someone going to manage a bounty please make it as spam free which is good for the forum and also for the project.Never hire someone just for the post and try to change the trend of current bounties where people posting some words and get paid for it.

Limit your participants to certain cap like 100 or maximum 500 then this could be manageable with high quality spam free management.

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