What if Bitcoin was Created by the CIA, FBI, US Military???

[dantee1]

What if Bitcoin was actually created by the CIA, or FBI, US Military to gather some intelligence? This weird imagination has been lingering in my brain because Bitcoin has all the signatures of what the USA Intelligence can create, Similar to the way they have created things in the past.

1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.

2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain

3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.

And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?

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[Carlton Banks]

what if people have already asked this question a million times already?

[buwaytress]

I generally lean towards theories (or are they technically hypotheses?) that don't get asked a million times. Say, for example, alien civilizations that transmitted their social experiment as Bitcoin on mailing lists and then hijacking devices and IPs to provide a suitably obfuscated trail leading to, if ever traced, a random identity that wasn't Satoshi.

Sometimes when I enter into a first world subconscious, I can even theorise that Bitcoin could have been created by (Abrahamaic) god himself and his second coming happened in 2009. His second ascension happened shortly after, and I hear whispers that urge me to answer my prophetic vocation.

Do you ever consider this possibility as well? I know I'm not alone.

[boyptc]

what if people have already asked this question a million times already?

Yeah, it has been asked and discussed many times before.

--> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=980847.0
--> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=373470.0
--> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5067455.0

[dantee1]

what if people have already asked this question a million times already?

Every questions has been asked a million times before. You either respond or keep quiet.

[dantee1]

what if people have already asked this question a million times already?

Yeah, it has been asked and discussed many times before.

--> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=980847.0
--> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=373470.0
--> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5067455.0

Yeah, I just read through those ones. They are quite different perspectives to similar question. And not everyone, including me, participated in those discussions. The questions I brought out on my own was not mentioned there too. So, it was similar titles but different questions.

[Slow death]

What if Bitcoin was actually created by the CIA, or FBI, US Military to gather some intelligence? This weird imagination has been lingering in my brain because Bitcoin has all the signatures of what the USA Intelligence can create, Similar to the way they have created things in the past.

1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.

2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain

3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.

And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?

Wait, are you thinking the CIA, the FBI, or the US Army used bitcointalk? did they keep typing in the bitcointalk forum? satoshi attended this forum for a while, and I don't see the CIA, the FBI or the US army chatting in a forum. Another thing, you are underestimating people's intelligence, a single person could be able to create bitcoin, we can't underestimate people. As for staying anonymous, he may have been scared at first and then died without anyone knowing he created bitcoin

[vlad230]

What kind of intelligence would they gather with an anonymous type of currency?

[HeRetiK]

Bitcoin's emergence and conception has been fairly transparent and well documented (apart from satoshi's identity, obviously).

The work that preceded and laid the foundation of Bitcoin (hashcash, bit gold, etc) is no secret either and happened independently of any government agencies (often even going as far as opposing governmental interference).

As such it's highly unlikely that Bitcoin was created by any such agency.

But then again maybe that's what the chemtrails make me believe.

[DigitalAssetInvestor1]

Bitcoin was probably created by the NSA.

[yoseph]

What kind of intelligence would they gather with an anonymous type of currency?

I believe that it's been established that Bitcoins isn't as anonymous as we were previously led to be that's why, many people are using the services of bitcoin mixers to make their transactions as anonymous as they can be.

[Carlton Banks]

What kind of intelligence would they gather with an anonymous type of currency?

not that much

they could get a massive stake in a new currency, provided they did a good job of making it attractive to adopters

[Upgate]

Is this a stereotype post. Why do you tell Bent on placing intelligent ideas on the US, the US is a recognisable country of the world but bitcoin did not originate from there it's just a figment of your imagination.

[hatshepsut93]

In some sense Bitcoin was created by US security services, because they have made significant contributions to Bitcoin's underlying technologies - modern cryptography and the Internet. If you don't trust some technology just becomes it comes from the US government, you should stop using anything digital altogether.

What really matters is that Bitcoin is open source software, and thousands of experts have already verified it and didn't find any backdoors. Who made Bitcoin is irrelevant, because you don't need to trust its creator(s).

[Sexaphiliac]

Although you do have some valid points in terms of the ability of the creators and founders to remain anonymous regardless of it's popularity is a question to really ponder upon. But I doubt it is the brainchild of FBI or some other intelligence body, security experts can easily do such. We can easily look at Buterin and Ethereum, the idea of smart contracts although not his but his implementation using blockchain is completely genius. If not for the fact that we know he's the brain behind Ethereum, such an argument could easily be made also.

[Artemis3]

What if Bitcoin was actually created by the CIA, or FBI, US Military to gather some intelligence? This weird imagination has been lingering in my brain because Bitcoin has all the signatures of what the USA Intelligence can create, Similar to the way they have created things in the past.

1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.

2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain

3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.

And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?

I would say who cares, its Free and Open Source Software. Just like TOR, made by the US Navy, or SELinux by the NSA.

I doubt they would be able to justify it unlike the aforementioned projects. Tor was needed for operatives secure communications behind enemy lines, and SELinux to secure computers used by all agencies. What would they justify something like Bitcoin for?

I doubt they are involved, even if the maker (or group) might actually work for any of them. Cypherpunks are actually associated with the NSA, even if they deny it some of the best cryptographers are in there (the NSA) and they often recruit brilliant people.

In any case it doesn't matter. You have the source, if you suspect something, audit it.

[judypug1956]

   Look lets pretend that  multiple agencies from multiple governments did it. As they thought it would be a way to trace criminal movement of wealth via blockchain transactions.  We have had enough value move around the world for governments to start moving against criminal activity on blockchains.


Now if you bother to check the listed addresses 'discovered" by one government and listed to have been tainted it is a really short list  11 or 12 addresses with well under 10,000 coins that passed through them.   It seems to me if this list had 100000 addresses that had a few million coins in them it would have all been a multi governmental plot.  But the list is really short.  Kind of makes it look like it was not made to capture drug dealer/terrorist/etc money and wealth

does this seem to be a problem to anyone but me?

https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/OFAC-Enforcement/Pages/20190821.aspx

quote from above:

 "The following individuals have been added to OFAC's SDN List:
 
YAN, Xiaobing (Chinese Traditional: 顏曉兵; Chinese Simplified: 颜晓兵) (a.k.a. "YAN, Steven"; a.k.a. "ZHOU, William"), Wuhan, Hubei, China (Chinese Simplified: 武汉市, 湖北省, China; Chinese Traditional: 武漢市, 湖北省, China); DOB 25 Mar 1977; POB Wuhan City, Hubei, China; citizen China; Gender Male; Digital Currency Address - XBT 12QtD5BFwRsdNsAZY76UVE1xyCGNTojH9h; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 1Kuf2Rd8mDyAViwBozGTNYnvWL8uYFrkVo; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 13f59kUM5FU8MfTG7DCEugYarDhSD7XCoC; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 1P3ZfGFLezzYGg9k5SVzQmnjyh7nrUmF2y; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 1EpMiZkQVekM5ij12nMiEwttFPcDK9XhX6; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 1JREJdZupiFhE7ZzQPtASuMCvvpXC7wRsC; Chinese Commercial Code 7346 2556 0365; Citizen's Card Number 421002197703250019 (China) (individual) [SDNTK].
 
ZHENG, Fujing (Chinese Simplified: 郑福景; Chinese Traditional: 鄭福景) (a.k.a. "DENG, Gao"; a.k.a. "JIN, Gordon"; a.k.a. "ZHENG, Gordon"); DOB 11 Jun 1983; POB China; nationality China; citizen China; Email Address goldenchemical@live.com; alt. Email Address gordonzheng@qinvictory.com; alt. Email Address magicchemical@hotmail.com; alt. Email Address sales@globalrc.net; alt. Email Address 3507656950@qq.com; alt. Email Address zhengfujing@live.cn; Gender Male; Digital Currency Address - XBT 17ezuJoT3XBbdcwFZbkTnrXbup11F4uhiy; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 1DH2xDH7TngrDU6LXciprKCBKNcPA1xX8A; Passport G31920875 (China) issued 24 Oct 2008 expires 23 Oct 2018; Identification Number 310107198306111336 (China); Chinese Commercial Code 6774 4395 2529 (individual) [SDNTK].
 
ZHENG, Guanghua (Chinese Traditional: 鄭广華; Chinese Simplified: 郑广华); DOB 04 Nov 1955; POB Shanghai, China; nationality China; citizen China; Email Address zhenguanghua1955@outlook.com; alt. Email Address zhenguanghua1955@gmail.com; Gender Male; Digital Currency Address - XBT 33Kja69SQVc8kozpoP7Qw6HFtGxHkiWzTz; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 3MkUNScqf21EcfWq6T4x2MFgBeSTqhB5t6; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 18uKfaUjgG52rVeXEi3wxnveww7zZuECtE; Digital Currency Address - LTC LaizKtS5DUhPuP1nTQcc83MS7HwK6vk85z; Passport E51809923 (China) issued 25 May 2015 expires 24 May 2025; Identification Number 310108195511041616 (China); Chinese Commercial Code 6774 1639 5478 (individual) [SDNTK].
 
The following entities have been added to OFAC's SDN List:
 
QINSHENG PHARMACEUTICAL TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD. (a.k.a. SHANGHAI QINSHENG PHARMACEUTICAL SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD.; a.k.a. SHANGHAI QINSHENG PHARMACEUTICAL SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD.; a.k.a. SHANGHAI QINSHENG PHARMACEUTICAL TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD.), Room 614, Floor 3, No. 1, Alley 468, New Siping Highway, Shanghai 201413, China; Room 614, Floor 3, Block 1, Lane 468, Xinsiping Highway, Fengxian District, Shanghai, China; Website www.qinvictory.com [SDNTK].
 
ZHENG DRUG TRAFFICKING ORGANIZATION, Shanghai, China; Website www.globalrc.net; alt. Website www.goldenrc.com; alt. Website www.toplabrc.com; Email Address MagicChemical@hotmail.com; alt. Email Address goldenchemical@live.com; alt. Email Address 3507656950@qq.com; alt. Email Address sales@globalrc.net [SDNTK].
 
 
 
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[FreedomHustler]

I want to marrry bitcoin and make few satoshis


I think bitcoin was maked by someone who got fucked from the system and gouvremnet and he think how i can fucl the whole corrupt finance system

Than camw a alien an whisper him the idea of bitcoin this is my history

[Hamphser]

There is nothing to discuss big on this, what if CIA or FBI has created it. Are they gonna threaten us, this is simply unwanted discussion. What we have got is an advancing technology, nothing to correlate with CIA, FBI or Military. Only thing is that governments might keep everyone under their control same as the banking system does at present.

I think you were right since no one could prove that a person from the government could create something that they can't control. Government are so obsessed of taking something that does owned by the people because they have the power to take it while in bitcoin we sure do know that there isn't a single trace of any government entities so far.

[javadsalehi]

I don't think FBI or CIA has created bitcoin. Because it is already proved that no one has control over bitcoin transactions and it is anonymous and decentralized. Why should they create bitcoin? Why should they provide a system that allow people make peer to peer and anonymous transactions?
FBI or CIA has not created bitcoin. But I doubt they don't know the creator of bitcoin. They have likely have tried to find the creator of bitcoin and they might have found the creator. They might know some secrets that we are not aware of them. They might know Satoshi Nakamoto.