Merit source observations

[LoyceV]

I was just wondering why theymos has been somewhat reluctant to add more merit sources. I couldn't actually get resounding answer, but I believe that theymos doesn't want merit to lose it value. He does so  by practically keeping it as scarce as possible

The total Merit circulation is much higher than it was in the first year after it's introduction, while the number of posts went down a lot. Merit isn't scarce, good posts are.

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[Rikafip]

But knowing that most merit source do not distribute merits and some are no longer active, it is nice to introduce few more hands and watch, if the result is counter productive, he can still reduce the number of merit sources thereafter.

The chart belows tells different story. As seen, the amount of merit shared hasnt really dropped since the last time theymos did merit readjustment which was ~2 and a half years ago (July 2021) and chances are he won't do it again until merit number drops down significantly. Add on that the fact that since then number of posts went down 40-50%, no wonder that theymos is not in a hurry to introduce new merit sources.

As loyce said, there's lack of good posts, not merit. At least not generally speaking, some parts of the forum are indeed undemerited



Source https://public.tableau.com/views/BitcointalkMeritDashboard/MeritSendersReceivers?:language=en-US&:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link

[tranthidung]

Merit bell

Again, I am not sure when the change happened but today, by checking I see small changes than a last merit bell.

There are 108 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 32890 sMerit per 30 days

There are 109 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 33140 sMerit per 30 days

[JayJuanGee]

Merit bell

Again, I am not sure when the change happened but today, by checking I see small changes than a last merit bell.

There are 108 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 32890 sMerit per 30 days

There are 109 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 33140 sMerit per 30 days

Oh.. so there was potentially another removal, after the removal of Symmetrick (Ratimov).

From the forum news, I can tell that one user who had a significantly large monthly sMerit allocation of 849 was removed from the list of merit sources about two months ago. As a result, the total number of active merit sources has decreased from 110 to 109, and the current total merit generation is now 33140 sMerit per 30 days. I don't know who this user is.

Since, in recent times, there has been so much drama around Symmetrick (Ratimov), it may well could have been him, since it appears that you still have him listed as a merit source, and I am in the last week or so, he has been banned from the forum.

[dzungmobile]

Oh.. so there was potentially another removal, after the removal of Symmetrick (Ratimov).

Who did leave the forum after Ratimov?

We have a big name, true legendary member who left us last month or two months ago and it makes sense to remove him as a merit source.

Farewell

[Agbe]

Oh.. so there was potentially another removal, after the removal of Symmetrick (Ratimov).

Who did leave the forum after Ratimov?

We have a big name, true legendary member who left us last month or two months ago and it makes sense to remove him as a merit source.

Farewell

We needs merit sources in the forum both in the general boards and in the local boards. Symmetrick popularly and formally known as Ratimov was a generous merit source and if theymos is bringing anyone in it should be a generous one and not the person that have a very long list of ignore Users. o_e_l_e_o was also generous but he was mostly active in the wallet.and technical board and he gave merits in those boards more than other general boards.

If the total number of merit sources were 109 and the removal of Symmetrick as Ratimov led to the reduction of the total number to 108 then the removal of o_e_l_e_o should reduce it to 107. And let the admin should bring the new ones like four general merit sources. And This days I was even thinking if there are merit sources in the forum because because merit is not flowing like before again.

[JayJuanGee]

Oh.. so there was potentially another removal, after the removal of Symmetrick (Ratimov).

Who did leave the forum after Ratimov?

We have a big name, true legendary member who left us last month or two months ago and it makes sense to remove him as a merit source.
Farewell

Oh yeah.. whoops, of course.  I participated in that thread as well as the flaming thread that was related to it.

[teamsherry]

I was just wondering why theymos has been somewhat reluctant to add more merit sources. I couldn't actually get resounding answer, but I believe that theymos doesn't want merit to lose it value. He does so  by practically keeping it as scarce as possible

The total Merit circulation is much higher than it was in the first year after it's introduction, while the number of posts went down a lot. Merit isn't scarce, good posts are.

You might be right about lack of good post but I still bet that they are so many good posts that have died in the forum that weren't merited and not because they wasn't merit to go by but no one saw them, maybe cause the so called merit sources don't spend much time on the forum anymore.

Yeah with lots of shitpost it's easy to hide the good ones, but what's more disappointing to users is when they try hard to give a good post, no merit, it actually reduces the moral of good posting since good post aren't appreciated.

Now another thign is a mert source idea of good post, you can't expect a new user less than a year in bitcoin and this forum make as much quality post like you that has been in this forum for so long or have so much knowledge maybe following up even since the introduction of this forum, so yeah standard can be reduced a bit not to encourage shot post but gor those that that at least doing good or trying that woudl actually promote good post on the forum. And yeah I believe its not your first time hearing an opinion like this,  so it might not do any good 

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Yeah with lots of shitpost it's easy to hide the good ones, but what's more disappointing to users is when they try hard to give a good post, no merit, it actually reduces the moral of good posting since good post aren't appreciated.

So....do you think some of your posts are among those that have escaped the attention of merit sources and all of the other members with merits to give out?  I'm really hoping the answer is no, because the quality of your writing is typical of what I see in most threads, i.e., abysmal.  And yes I'm singling you out since you acknowledged the abundance of shitposts but argued that good posts go un-merited despite the argument that LoyceV made.

Now another thign is a mert source

See?  You're not even trying.  Or worse, this is your best writing.

Speaking of merit sources and their activity, I've been incredibly lazy for at least a month but intend to fire off the merit cannon shortly.  I'm still contemplating how to handle my offer of post history reviews in light of some feedback I've gotten and the high probability that I'm helping alt accounts that meet the bare minimum standards for merits rank up--something that I do not want to do.  But that's for another thread.

[LoyceV]

I still bet that they are so many good posts that have died in the forum that weren't merited

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, follow the link you quoted, and share maybe 200 or so good posts that haven't been merited yet? I'll make you a deal: if I agree they're good (and I should be able to read them), I'll Merit them. If it's 200 good posts, I'll happily share 800 Merit with them. Good luck.

Now another thign is a mert source

See?  You're not even trying.  Or worse, this is your best writing.

Shitposters complaining about Merit. All it proves is the system works as intended

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, follow the link you quoted, and share maybe 200 or so good posts that haven't been merited yet? I'll make you a deal: if I agree they're good (and I should be able to read them), I'll Merit them. If it's 200 good posts, I'll happily share 800 Merit with them. Good luck.

I'll even up the ante here.  If teamsherry follows up and does point out posts you find meritworthy, I'll check all the ones you've merited and if I concur, I'll give them an additional 1 merit.

Shitposters complaining about Merit. All it proves is the system works as intended

They've been complaining about merit ever since that morning in January 2018 when I woke up (with the flu) and saw Meta had exploded and suddenly contained innumerable threads dealing with this new phenomenon Theymos had seemingly cooked up in secret.  And yup, the system has been kicking shitposters' asses ever since.  But hey, at least there aren't nearly as many merit-bitching or merit-begging threads these days.  For those of you who haven't been here a few years, those were a massive annoyance for a long, long time.

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By the way, "teamsherry" doesn't happen to look like this does it?

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Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, follow the link you quoted, and share maybe 200 or so good posts that haven't been merited yet? I'll make you a deal: if I agree they're good (and I should be able to read them), I'll Merit them. If it's 200 good posts, I'll happily share 800 Merit with them. Good luck.

I'll even up the ante here.  If teamsherry follows up and does point out posts you find meritworthy, I'll check all the ones you've merited and if I concur, I'll give them an additional 1 merit.

The problem is that many have the wrong idea of which posts are of good quality and deserve merit. I follow this topic, and from time to time I push someone to raise their rank with the idea of motivating them.
Maybe it's wrong because they are so convinced that they are writing valuable posts, and then we have complaints like this because similar posts have gone "unnoticed" or "died". Obviously not recognizing the difference between motivational merit and deserved.

[logfiles]

Again, I am not sure when the change happened but today, by checking I see small changes than a last merit bell.

There are 108 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 32890 sMerit per 30 days

Looks like those figures are not regularly updated or probably a coincidence?
Three weeks later and it still looks the same.

Another merit source seems to have been banned. I think it will take a while before they remove him from the list.

That being said, at least there's some flow of merits lately, according to my observation.

[JayJuanGee]

Again, I am not sure when the change happened but today, by checking I see small changes than a last merit bell.

There are 108 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 32890 sMerit per 30 days

Looks like those figures are not regularly updated or probably a coincidence?
Three weeks later and it still looks the same.
Another merit source seems to have been banned. I think it will take a while before they remove him from the list.

That being said, at least there's some flow of merits lately, according to my observation.

Browsing through recent posts of tyz, I cannot see a reason for the ban.. or at least for me, nothing stands out as a possible reason.

[DdmrDdmr]

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The account was possibly banned after certain practices were highlighted here and here. I figure more posts were either reported or inspected in order to determine the final outcome (plagiarism is easy to prove, use of AI will likely take a bit more research in order to be able to conclude with enough confidence of not crossing a false positive).

[FatFork]

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The account was possibly banned after certain practices were highlighted here and here. I figure more posts were either reported or inspected in order to determine the final outcome (plagiarism is easy to prove, use of AI will likely take a bit more research in order to be able to conclude with enough confidence of not crossing a false positive).

I think his case might have something to do with him being banned for plagiarism before. He got a second chance after his ban appeal in 2019. It is possible that the moderators have records or check the logs of such cases so they issued the permaban without much hesitation.

[Tungbulu]

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The account was possibly banned after certain practices were highlighted here and here. I figure more posts were either reported or inspected in order to determine the final outcome (plagiarism is easy to prove, use of AI will likely take a bit more research in order to be able to conclude with enough confidence of not crossing a false positive).

I think his case might have something to do with him being banned for plagiarism before. He got a second chance after his ban appeal in 2019. It is possible that the moderators have records or check the logs of such cases so they issued the permaban without much hesitation.

How about accounts that were issued the permaban for using AI content generator or plagiarism, without first issuing a warning and without any record  of previous ban cases. I mean we have such cases too. Can we consider such cases to be unjust especially maybe if/when the culprit claims to be ignorant of the offence.

[LoyceV]

How about accounts that were issued the permaban for using AI content generator or plagiarism, without first issuing a warning and without any record  of previous ban cases. I mean we have such cases too. Can we consider such cases to be unjust especially maybe if/when the culprit claims to be ignorant of the offence.

"I didn't know stealing is wrong"?

[Tungbulu]

How about accounts that were issued the permaban for using AI content generator or plagiarism, without first issuing a warning and without any record  of previous ban cases. I mean we have such cases too. Can we consider such cases to be unjust especially maybe if/when the culprit claims to be ignorant of the offence.

"I didn't know stealing is wrong"?

Well, what's wrong here could be right somewhere else.
What's considered stealing something in one place/race could also be the right means to legally obtaining something in another.  

[Upgrade00]

Well, what's wrong here could be right somewhere else.

Precisely, and you adjust to the rules of the forum you're in and hoping to get some bucks from.

And in general passing off content as yours is unethical and frowned upon.