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September 08, 2019, 09:01:15 AM |
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The cat and mouse game with the thread bumper continues now with the fake conversations. After the bump-and-deleted situation, the multiple newbie alts spam, they always find anoter way to keep polluting the forum and get paid for it. Here is the last example in the Services Ann section. ★ Coinsbit.io - Cryptocurrency ExchangeI have more than 300 good reports solely for the past 3 days from this thread. 3-4 Full-Sr. Members are talking about the weather, new news and all other things than the exchange itself. Even if I get the posts deleted after a few hours, they have already bumped the thread. How can we fight them now?? Please add some kind of temporary ban for those accounts. Like ban then from posting in that section for a two weeks or something. It's just ridiculous how they go around with it. |
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September 08, 2019, 09:20:17 AM |
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Firstly those notorious users can be placed on you ignore list as first measure to tackling it. I have just gone through the thread and I can see you brought their notice to something You were warned a few times from the community, now the forum took some actions against the useless conversations here. This was just the first wave of spam cleaning, there are more to come. Read the forum rules! > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0But still those accounts are unrepentant spammers. I wonder why some of there reply where not deleted(they where off point). The altcoin section is falling to spammers and a measure needs to be put in place, OP should be in control of there Ann thread and always monitor it(like deleting irrelevant reply) if not the whole thread would be deleted this would put them on their toes |
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Bttzed03
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September 08, 2019, 09:48:49 AM |
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They are bought or hacked accounts. They don't even care about the feedback left by adolfinwolf. No one has reported the thread for allowing incentivized posting yet?
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September 08, 2019, 10:19:42 AM |
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you cant fight them maggot,theymos wont stop these spammers because they are the reasons why bitcointalk.org has a lot o traffics.Theres no existing spam-free forum FYI.
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hilariousandco
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September 08, 2019, 12:42:45 PM |
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I banned Dorvei & Crypto_Boss. This is one of the things that should be looked into by an admin but it likely won't.
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suchmoon
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September 08, 2019, 12:53:39 PM |
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I'm also reporting a bunch of them although that seems utterly pointless. No offense to the mods - they're doing their job - but what really needs to happen is a change in bumping that would make these "conversations" no longer effective. There are a few very proficient bumping circles, probably service-for-hire type of thing. I did catch some of these users with plagiarism but they'll just come back with new accounts since rank/activity/merit/etc doesn't really matter here. |
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DaveF
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September 08, 2019, 02:10:54 PM |
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I posted something similar about fake conversations with sig spammers last month: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5164260.msg52191148#msg52191148Yes I am a hypocrite since I am wearing a sig and posting here, but looking through other bumped threads it is very similar. So, instead of a sig, if they get $0.25 a bump and you have 4 accounts that are all you talking to each other it's easy to make a couple of dollars an hour talking about the weather. You can ban sigs, you can't ban bumping. You can't even slow it down w/o permabans and more mods. The other issue remains of if you penalize threads that have more then a certain percentage of removed posts, how quickly will people message bomb threads they don't like with newbie disposable accounts to hurt the OP of the thread. No idea on a good solution other than more mods removing messages and more bans but as I said above. If I they can't make money bumping, they might go away. -Dave |
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September 08, 2019, 02:11:31 PM |
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What if just delete the thread completely to prevent these spammers to bump the stupid thread? Isn't it possible?
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The Sceptical Chymist
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September 08, 2019, 02:19:04 PM |
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Firstly those notorious users can be placed on you ignore list as first measure to tackling it.
I would agree with you except I do think these idiotic posts should be reported. It's still very annoying to pull up a thread and see that most of the posts in it are people on your ignore list--and that's exactly what's going to happen in the future if these posts aren't reported and no action is taken. Only on bitcointalk do you see these types of shenanigans. I've never seen a forum where people utilize multiple accounts in order to hold a fake conversation among them. It's almost a LOL, except it's really annoying. I banned Dorvei & Crypto_Boss.
Nice. Haven't seen you around lately, and it's good to see you haven't disappeared. |
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September 08, 2019, 02:38:07 PM |
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The situation with JollyGood is a bit weird, he is accusing them of being a scam project but in a way that he is provoking again hundred useless bumps. He maybe trying to prevent some newbies from falling in the scam trap but still, it can be aslo a new technique for advanced bumping service, having someone to argue with. This is just a hypothesis...
JollyGood is very persistent in posting many times to expose a scam. I don't think he gets paid for bumping the threads. |
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September 08, 2019, 02:52:32 PM |
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JollyGood is very persistent in posting many times to expose a scam. I don't think he gets paid for bumping the threads.
I don't want to speak for iasenko, but I don't think he is accusing JollyGood of being a participant in the bumping scheme. I think what iasenko is saying is that JollyGood's efforts might be counter productive by giving the scammers someone legit to argue with and instigate. I tend to agree; the best thing to do in situations like that is to report the offenders and post as infrequently as possible in the thread. |
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September 08, 2019, 02:52:46 PM |
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My most of good report from that kind of thread. But lately I am not reporting much (also I have lack of time) because even there is obvious spam admin not encourage to temp ban. At least spammer could learn from it and spam will stop for a week by that user. Because when someone will get temp ban then he will be careful next time. If I am not wrong I have proposed temp ban for that kind of user. Reporting them is one kind of useless activity since thread already bumped and that user could bump it again. So I believe there should be some restrictions.
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September 08, 2019, 04:39:44 PM |
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The situation with JollyGood is a bit weird, he is accusing them of being a scam project but in a way that he is provoking again hundred useless bumps. He maybe trying to prevent some newbies from falling in the scam trap but still, it can be aslo a new technique for advanced bumping service, having someone to argue with. This is just a hypothesis...
I talked privately with JollyGood last year and I can tell you that I am pretty sure that he is not doing that, although his methods are strange. Btw, these fuckers are sending army of their shills when someone ask them legit questions, I remember one thread (I will have to find it, can't really remember which one it was), I asked them few questions and bunch of accounts start spamming thread, I was reporting them in real time to moderator (they posted some crap and I instantly reported them) and eventually I gave up (maybe I reported whole thread afterwards, can't remember, it was a year ago). It's just like a defensive mechanism, call them scam and they will "hide" your post, if you know what I mean... |
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September 08, 2019, 04:41:48 PM |
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How can we fight them now??
Please add some kind of temporary ban for those accounts.
Like ban then from posting in that section for a two weeks or something. It's just ridiculous how they go around with it.
I can tell you that we can't fight this kind of thing with so "soft" rules, and by that I mean that temporary ban should be no solution, such a measure only delays the inevitable, and creates a lot more work for those who report, and those who handle reports. If you notice that someone deliberately breaking rules even after the warning, then only solution is perma-ban. What about temporary freezing of account (automatic by forum) if users is reported for spam more then x/xx times in one day? But to prevent abuse only selected users report could automatically freeze someone account until mods decide what to do with it. This is not something that exists, but perhaps it could be implemented in new forum. |
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September 08, 2019, 05:06:32 PM |
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The situation with JollyGood is a bit weird, he is accusing them of being a scam project but in a way that he is provoking again hundred useless bumps. He maybe trying to prevent some newbies from falling in the scam trap but still, it can be aslo a new technique for advanced bumping service, having someone to argue with. This is just a hypothesis...
JollyGood is very persistent in posting many times to expose a scam. I don't think he gets paid for bumping the threads. I do not accuse him because I didn't have time to look at his post history but referring to his positive trust ratings I assumed he was from the "good side". I didn't reported any oh his posts. But again 200+ posts in this thread is a bit suspicious even though he has a positive trust rating. My other assumption was if the spammers/bumpers have one "good" account just to fight with and make kind of legit bumps. This should not be the case with JollyGood just that's where I got the idea from. |
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September 08, 2019, 05:09:08 PM |
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What about temporary freezing of account (automatic by forum) if users is reported for spam more then x/xx times in one day? But to prevent abuse only selected users report could automatically freeze someone account until mods decide what to do with it. This is not something that exists, but perhaps it could be implemented in new forum.
This looks like something from Sci-Fi movies...  and even if I would like to see this integrated in forum, I don't think it is probable. People are slow in making changes, and forums even slower.  |
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