100 Most Merited Members Club.

[TheBeardedBaby]

Looks like I'm also in this club, but what is the point of it? When I created my club, we were active group of people with a specific goal, to clear up the forum, and I can say that we achieved this goal one way or anohter, wa are still active, and do report. This is a club with a meaning. Your one is more like a list of people who reached a certain amount of merit.
I just want to say that I do respect you and I value all your contribution to forum, I just don't get this point of the club

I guess you are excited to climb the merit ladder that. Guess what.. reaching higher and higher you start seeing what is happening in the forum from within, and you probably won't like it. I was like you in the very beginning.

[wwzsocki]

...However we feel you need to read this post and fully understand that is HOW things work here. It is undeniable. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088852.0

I have read the full thread and TBH the first answer from @Mikeywith, summaries everything perfectly and looks like OP over-reacted and accused literally everybody, because of doubtful conspiracy theory. I will not share it, if I were you, especially if you want, to influence my point of few with it. Better, to use your own words and thoughts because I see that, when you are calm and talk to somebody who isn't your enemy already, you are capable to bring valid statements and summarise facts correctly.

1. decouple merit from rank after full member with immediate full merit delete for any accounts after that found spamming. The work to get to full member or even snr will be a lot to risk if you need to earn all of those merits again.

2. DT should not be so heavily merit weighted " it should have another requirement such as activity perhaps 1500

3. Appoint some merit mods. They can delete merit and deactivate merit sources. If they are consistently meriting based on political grounds of for faux rebuttals or posting any other information that has no value in relation to finding the optimal opinion/ solution they get their merits cut away. Obviously they need to present their case.

I have to agree with you about all these three points, maybe with little adjustments, but yes, you are correct and these improvements could be useful.

You should start a thread about suggestions/improvements, to the new trust system. In which, in a calm and polite way, you will introduce your thoughts to the community. I guarantee that, when there will be, no personal vendetta in your texts and you will focus on the forum, as a hole and how to improve the system in the most efficient way. I am sure members, will support you and even your enemies will be listening to you.

This is exactly, what I try to achieve, to bring all these conflicted members together. From meta, scam and reputation sections and start a constructive discussion, about everything that needs improvement or adjustment. Merit, trust system, ranking system, spam, scam, bots, bounties, etc. All this needs improvement, more or less and only, if we work all together, there is a chance that we will finally find a solution, which would be good for everybody.

Seems to be not possible, but if we not try, we will never know.



 

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I will not share this link if I were you, especially if you want to influence my point of few with it.

Not sure if you've been following all the drama since about December 2018, but the idiot you replied to is a troll who's not taken seriously by anybody here except his alts and maybe a handful of users with misfiring synapses.  He and the others keep making the same tired arguments again and again, and nothing changes despite all their protest and calls for change.  It's like the special olympics of Occupy Bitcointalk, but they just don't see that.

My advice to you is to see this and treat the-one-above-all the same as cryptohunter and his gang.  In fact, I'm pretty sure they're the same people. 

[wwzsocki]

I will not share this link if I were you, especially if you want to influence my point of few with it.

Not sure if you've been following all the drama since about December 2018, but the idiot you replied to is a troll who's not taken seriously by anybody here except his alts and maybe a handful of users with misfiring synapses.  He and the others keep making the same tired arguments again and again, and nothing changes despite all their protest and calls for change.  It's like the special olympics of Occupy Bitcointalk, but they just don't see that.

My advice to you is to see this and treat the-one-above-all the same as cryptohunter and his gang.  In fact, I'm pretty sure they're the same people.  

Thanks for this explanation The Pharmacist.

Indeed I wasn't aware of what you have written, but from what I have read already, understood that this member is on war with everybody. I am truly honest and would be very happy if one day all members could discuss altogether and stop all these fights. I know this is wishful thinking, but I hope this is possible, especially if there will be a willingness on all sides of conflicts.

PS
First I have written this answer and now, I will read this thread you linked.
I am reading a transcript from CW (Faketoshi) court case and can't stop. Like to read a good crime story.
Do you know that he has accused Theymos, to be the creator of Silkroad and other black markets? This is a heavy accusation.
If anybody is interested, here is the transcript link, with the exact page about Theymos: https://www.docdroid.net/5LZMLHb/06-28-19-ber-kleiman.pdf#page=15

[The-One-Above-All]

...However we feel you need to read this post and fully understand that is HOW things work here. It is undeniable. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088852.0

I have read the full thread and TBH the first answer from @Mikeywith, summaries everything perfectly and looks like OP over-reacted and accused literally everybody, because of doubtful conspiracy theory. I will not share it, if I were you, especially if you want, to influence my point of few with it. Better, to use your own words and thoughts because I see that, when you are calm and talk to somebody who isn't your enemy already, you are capable to bring valid statements and summarise facts correctly.

1. decouple merit from rank after full member with immediate full merit delete for any accounts after that found spamming. The work to get to full member or even snr will be a lot to risk if you need to earn all of those merits again.

2. DT should not be so heavily merit weighted " it should have another requirement such as activity perhaps 1500

3. Appoint some merit mods. They can delete merit and deactivate merit sources. If they are consistently meriting based on political grounds of for faux rebuttals or posting any other information that has no value in relation to finding the optimal opinion/ solution they get their merits cut away. Obviously they need to present their case.

I have to agree with you about all these three points, maybe with little adjustments, but yes, you are correct and these improvements could be useful.

You should start a thread about suggestions/improvements, to the new trust system. In which, in a calm and polite way, you will introduce your thoughts to the community. I guarantee that, when there will be, no personal vendetta in your texts and you will focus on the forum, as a hole and how to improve the system in the most efficient way. I am sure members, will support you and even your enemies will be listening to you.

This is exactly, what I try to achieve, to bring all these conflicted members together. From meta, scam and reputation sections and start a constructive discussion, about everything that needs improvement or adjustment. Merit, trust system, ranking system, spam, scam, bots, bounties, etc. All this needs improvement, more or less and only, if we work all together, there is a chance that we will finally find a solution, which would be good for everybody.

Seems to be not possible, but if we not try, we will never know.



 

You seem like a reasonable person. The 3 points would clearly make a nice stride toward merit presenting merit rather than "like".

You have clearly though not understood the thread that we linked above. It is UNDENIABLE the description of the mechanisms that the systems of control sit upon are accurately described. Mikey's post is a typical faux rebutal which although perhaps had "good" intentions is observable INCORRECT. It is impossible for any person of average or above intelligence NOT to recognize this.

When we say it is INCORRECT we mean that it can be CORRECT in his own experience without forming ANY KIND OF REBUTTAL to the central points made there.

There can be no denial that merit is subjective garbage that does not match each post against the same criteria and neither does it even provide equal opportunity for review. These points are UNDENIABLE. The fact this is WIDE open to gaming and that there is HUGE incentive to game both systems of control are  UNDENIABLE.

There is no real attempt to convince you. We are simply presenting an accurate description of how these systems operate for your review. If you still choose to believe that is NOT a correct description of how they operate that is your choice.  You would though NOT be able to demonstrate how the systems are NOT wide open to gaming and you would NOT be able to demonstrate how there is not a clear motivation and reward to do so.

If you were taking note you would also notice that MIKEY with has subsequently added a CHIPMIXER sig and is benefiting very nicely from the gamed and corrupt systems of control along with THE PHARMACIST another CHIPMIXER sig spammer. We don't mind Mikey and he is better than 90% of the top 100 merited idiots. Still he is new and we think he is still a bit wet behind the ears regarding many points here. He also has no reason to want to see any changes for the BETTER. Since he is doing okay how things are now.

Now perhaps you were not aware but THE PHARAMACIST was caught red handed sneakily using a socked puppet account to sig spam racist trolling dirt. He was caught because he is so desperate to get extra btc dust that he was trying to move his other sock puppet account  HugeBlackWoman  to a slightly higher paying project so he could racist troll sig spam at higher rates.

Do you expect such low functioning scum as the pharmacist to encourage FAIR AND TRANSPARENT RULES THAT ARE APPLIED EQUALLY TO ALL MEMBERS?  of course not. This low functioning dreg can not even present 5 of his best original thought inspiring posts for analysis?  He was asked what he had achieved since joining this board and he replied " I have achieved getting on to a highly paid sig campaign"  LOL  

These piece of shit with 1000's of merits? can not present any achievements of note and will not present even 5 of their original thought inspiring posts for analysis?

On top of this until recently the pharmacist was supporting a PROVEN SCAMMER like lauda on DT and when asked about it he said " " I don't know if lauda is guilty of wrongdoing with regard the escrowing debacle because I am too dumb to work it out, but I will support him anyway out of loyalty""

You take the word of this observably desperate low functioning sneaky greedy scammer supporting piece of dirt? at face value?  

Merit = dangerous, corrupt, subjective, dirt.

We repeat the vast majority of this " top 100"  earned merit gang are mostly idiots who have no place in the top 100 anything on this board except perhaps - top 100 most greedy self serving low functioning dregs of bitcointalk. There are a few notable exceptions.

There is no battle with EVERYONE. We battle only against those that are trying to PREVENT TRANSPARENT FAIR STANDARDS/RULES THAT EVERY MEMBER IS MATCHED AGAINST EQUALLY.

The bunch of idiots occupying all the HIGHEST PAYING SIG SPOTS are not there because they are the most valuable posters and most trustworthy. They are there because they have gamed the current broken systems of control for their own ends.

Things have been changing for the better here recently. That is good. Those are just the first few steps though. There is plenty more work to do. Merit needs to be contained as the anti bot, anti account farming tool it was designed for ONLY.

Theymos seems to have been on a steady diet of red pills lately. Hopefully it is going to continue, and now he can see he has been used by a bunch of scumbags to line their own pockets whilst silencing whistle blowers who dare to mention this is getting out of hand, he will start taking more steps to turn this board into a REAL MERITOCRACY where everyone has EQUAL opportunities.


We don't trust LEGEND accounts that have to spam these highly paid btc sigs full time. Give some other people a chance. If you have been here years and not reached a position of financial freedom to a reasonable level then you are a LOSER. Or if you have then you are just being GREEDY.

We certainly don't trust scum that need so spam 2 sigs under sneaky sock puppet accounts and openly support proven scammers like the pharmacist.

Top 100 merit earners under the current conditions is a good place to start looking for the most corrupt and least trustworthy shit stains on the entire board.

Top 100 merited club = concentrated dirt.

[wwzsocki]

...Top 100 merit earners under the current conditions is a good place to start looking for the most corrupt and least trustworthy shit stains on the entire board.

Top 100 merited club = concentrated dirt.

As I told you before you should refrain from personal attacks on many members in every single post you are writing because this only makes you look, like a forum troll and put you on the ignore lists. Despite you are right sometimes, this vendetta against the forum, makes you look untrustworthy and you will never find a place here if you will continue this war against everybody.

I already mentioned, that there are multiple average members, like me in the 100 most merited club and I am sure, they are good, high-quality posters (despite they are in a paid signature campaigns) and all merits were earned by them honestly. These campaigns have very strict rules and to get a spot there, one has to compete, with the best posters on the forum. I don't know, why you see this as a problem?

Anyway, you keep putting all members, to one bag and call us scammers and this is painful because, I have done all I can, to be a better poster and to create quality content, I spent sometimes hours of writing and editing. Additionally, these two members mentioned above (@The Pharmacist, @Mickeywith) are for sure not spammers because I have read multiple posts published by them and never found a spammy one.

In my opinion, you are too blinded, by the conspiracy theory and you are not able to refrain from personal attacks and that makes from you a troll in the eyes of other members.
I'm skipping the fact that a few of them already tried to give you a loan of trust.

Stop this craziness and keep writing your suggestions/improvements, point out problems, but without personal attacks. With the time, maybe something will change and you will be finally treated, as a normal user and removed from the ignored. This is the only way. If you will continue this madness against everybody, there is a possibility, that you will be banned one day and I don't think this is, what you are hoping to achieve, with your actions?

[The-One-Above-All]

...Top 100 merit earners under the current conditions is a good place to start looking for the most corrupt and least trustworthy shit stains on the entire board.

Top 100 merited club = concentrated dirt.

As I told you before you should refrain from personal attacks on many members in every single post you are writing because this only makes you look, like a forum troll and put you on the ignore lists. Despite you are right sometimes, this vendetta against the forum, makes you look untrustworthy and you will never find a place here if you will continue, with the war against everybody.

I already mentioned, that there are multiple average members, like me in the 100 most merited club and I am sure, they are good, high-quality posters (despite they are in a paid signature campaigns) and all merits were earned honestly. These campaigns have very strict rules and to get a spot there, one has to compete, with the best posters on the forum. I don't know, why you see this as a problem?

Anyway, you keep putting all members, to one bag and call us scammers and this is painful because, I have done all I can, to be a better poster and to create quality content, I spent sometimes hours of writing and editing. Additionally, these two members mentioned above are for sure not spammers because I have read multiple posts published by them and never found a spammy one.

In my opinion, you are too blinded, by the conspiracy theory and you are not able to refrain from personal attacks and that makes from you a troll in the eyes of other members.
I'm skipping the fact that a few of them already tried to give you a loan of trust.

Stop this craziness and keep writing your suggestions/improvements, point out problems, but without personal attacks. With the time, maybe something will change and you will be finally treated, as a normal user and removed from the ignored. This is the only way. If you will continue this madness against everybody, there is a possibility, that you will be banned one day and I don't think this is, what you are hoping to achieve, with your actions?

No.

There is no groundless personal attacks. It is simple.

1. the pharmacist is proven to be HugeBlackWoman - a greedy sneaky sock puppet sig spamming troll.  = NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY.
2. His pal lauda who he supported on DT - is a proven Liar and scammer  = NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY
3. Many other of their supporters have PROVEN wrongdoing in their post histories that is directly financially motivated/related. = NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY
4. Many many of these will not present even 5 of their best thought inspiring posts for analysis = NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY
5. The mechanisms described in the link we sent you are accurate descriptions of the wide open to gaming nature of the systems of control including MERIT = NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY
6. There is clear financial incentive and reward to game these systems to cream off the best financial opportunities = NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY
7. The same people that send merit to each other in large amounts all that were including each other on DT and all excluding similar people = NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY.
8. Those same people just happen to mostly occupy all the HIGHEST PAYING SIG SPOTS = NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY.
9. You are avoiding the valid and undeniable points made and mentioning some anecdotal opinions of your own as some kind of specious rebuttal = NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY.
10. Many people were telling us and our friends that those " high merited" "DT" and "merit source" were all above reproach and it was all a CONSPIRACY THEORY.

Look at them falling from grace one by one.

I mean many of these top 100 merited "idiots" are slathered in WRONG DOING AND BORDERLINE SCAMMING OR FINANCIALLY DANGEROUS BEHAVIORS, and many will not present any of their original thought inspiring posts for analysis.

So what does it tell you about a LOT of this top 100 merit club??

I mean sure within the top 100 merit club there is a concentrated group of very dangerous scum. This has been proven. You can not deny the doxing of a forum treasurer by vod, you can not deny the scamming with xcoin instamine by lauda, you can not deny the EVIL and scam facilitating behavior of nutildah, or the scamming behavior of Tman talking up his own auction under false pretense or the pharmacists sneaky sock puppet racist trolling whilst sig spamming, Hhampuz ..err where to start..THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.

I mean you could grab a random sample of other members even legends and heros and you will NOT FIND such concentration of dirt. = NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY.

The higher you go up the MERIT 100 club ranks the more concentrated the dirt seems to become. The top 50 is especially dirty looking once you remove special characters. You are looking at quite a few with bad dirt on them that we are aware off, without really looking into their histories.

It is undeniable, to cast these observable instances off as a conspiracy theory even though you can not deny them only means you have not verified what we are telling you or you simply don't want to acknowledge the truth.

Being at odds with a few scum bags in meta that are gaming and abusing these vulnerable systems for their own ends, is not the same as being at war with the entire board.


Our intention is clear and we have stated it many times.

Fair standards and rules that ensure every members is treated equally. The merit system is for preventing bot and account farmers. Not to allow a handful of people to leverage merit to take over TRUST and take over all the very best financial opportunities here in the name of being the BEST POSTERS. Most of these posters are observable low functioning morons. You can tell by their specious arguments and the way their minds collapse under even mild scrutiny and challenge these people do not have the capacity to be the best posters nor do they have the ability to recognize the most valuable posts by others.

Let's start to realize you can not make any assumptions about a member based on meaningless metrics or super low value metrics. It is ridiculous and dangerous.

ALL points made on the thread to which we sent you the link to on this thread a 100% undeniable and correct. We suggest you read over and over it until you understand those points can not be disputed. If you believe you have found a rebuttal or refutation then of course bring it up on that thread for discussion.

Threatening people or persons presenting observable instances with bans is not how satoshi would act. Hence why that would not be happening. The other " personal attacks " are simply the presentation of observable instances of truth. Sorry but the reader deserves to know the REAL background of some of these top 100 merit cyclers. Claiming that mentioning these observable instances of truth could be grounds for a ban, sounds dishonest and something that in itself facilitates scamming.

[Astargath]

Just be a good member don't look too much to the merits.... they are just to exclude less good members/posters/spammers etc

Also there are just so F***ing many merit stat threads these days...

Good you're well liked that means you have good stuff to say

Easiest and fastest way to earn merits?

1. Post memes on Wall Observer

2. Wait

3. Profit?

Although I can't really complain, 95% of my merits are from the flat earth thread and fighting badecker.

[wwzsocki]

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As I said, already multiple times, stop this madness. Don't try to turn every thread, to a possibility of attack or to spread your accusations. This is not the place and time for it.

You should open your own thread and write there about this. Despite nobody will be willing to discuss with you, I am sure that if you are right, your words will finally find the way to interested recipients.

I have nothing against and this the first time I discuss with you, but if you keep doing this vendetta in my threads, then finally I will have to put you on the IGNORE too, from obvious reasons.
Please take it into consideration, that you only lose potential allies, when acting like this.

You told me to read this threads you linked here for me, over and over again, to understand everything correctly. I understand and told you already, that many times you are right, but the problem is how you act and spread the word around the forum. You appear in someone's thread and destroy the discussion, constantly returning to the same old topics, and nobody likes that.

Although you may have a lot of reasons and be right many times, this is not the right place for this kind of personal wars and nobody wants something like that in his thread.
I hope you understand me and rethink your strategy. Take into consideration, what you have achieved until today and whether this really honest and friendly advice is not worth reconsidering?

A humble calf sucks two mothers - I hope you understand  .

[wwzsocki]

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And you finally see what I meant in my post above? Just look at my thread.

From the moment you appeared with your accusations and personal war against few members this thread loosed all attention and activity. There is nobody willing to comment because they don't want to engage in discussions with you.

As I said above, nobody like such behavior and acting like this, you will be still added to IGNORE lists and lose potential allies.

[The-One-Above-All]

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And you finally see what I meant in my post above? Just look at my thread.

From the moment you appeared with your accusations and personal war against few members this thread loosed all attention and activity. There is nobody willing to comment because they want to engage in discussions with you.

As I said above, nobody like such behavior and acting like this, you will be still added to IGNORE lists and lose potential allies.

You say this like it is a negative thing.

We came. We brought the red pills. The reality that being top 100 merit earners is not a positive or exciting prospect was realized and BOOM the party ended.

You are mistaking accusations with statements of observable truth.

Imagine the alternative. People all screaming how awesome and cool they are for cycling or feltching for merits by the ton and enticing others to believe this is a POSITIVE thing. That's just very dangerous for this board. Group think and free speech getting crushed under weight of the stampede of those wanting to spam their sigs at a high rate willing to say or do anything to gain merits and favor.

No thanks.

Devise a REAL transparent sensible threshold for attaining merit. Give it some semblance of MERIT not just "likes" and then we will get on board with it. Not whilst it is so dangerous and misleading.

There is no point having allies unless they BELIEVE in creating a transparent and fair set of standards that ensure all members are treated equally.

The truth and observable instances need no allies. They are the observable truth nothing can change that.

Change for the better will find no allies in meta board. Why? because meta board is stacked full of those that benefit the MOST from it being as it is now.  They have a vested interest in seeing the status quo remain as it is.  They will believe or claim to believe anything to keep it as it is now. 

We only want allies that REALLY want there to be transparent fair rules that ensure all members are treated equally. Not people that even want to see a few changes that can make it a bit better for themselves. These allies are obviously not going to be found easily.

People are naturally very selfish and are happy to see things unfair so long as they benefit. This movement can not succeed until people are FORCED to accept a set of standards that are PROVABLY fair. They won't accept them willingly or support their introduction. Looking for allies from the tiny pool that will fair the worst by a provably fair system is going to be met with disappointment.

The only way to gain allies here to to  support the unfair systems as they sit now. We are not interested in those allies.

You want provably fair systems of control you will find no allies in meta.  Still allowing false information to proliferate unchallenged is not going to do any good.

If you are not a bad person or really do want fair transparent standards. That is good. You can be a secret supporter of ours. Because you need not like us but the observable instances we present and the implications are undeniable. We have several secret supporters actually that do not wish to be associated with us for their own good. We can appreciate this and empathize with their situation. Not all persons are able to endure disapproval on a large scale. We have no such concerns.

[wwzsocki]

First sorry for such a late reply but somehow I missed this thread and discussion because I am using notification bot Maggiordomo and there was no new notification, so I just forgot about it.

...You say this like it is a negative thing...

No of course not and I hope that I have already proven to you talking for so long about the subject. From this time I have seen many other comments of yours on the forum and as I told you before I will repeat that I agree with you on many points but you have to do something with the way you are trying to spread the word because I think is just not working for you and to be honest has opposite effect despite you are right and many agree with you more or less.

[tranthidung]

Yesterday, I joined that club, and now we have in the same club.  

Interesting findings are less than 15% of normal users (non-DT1/DT2 members in the clubs of most merited profiles as well as most merit senders).
DT1 members obviously dominate two clubs, with the same percentage at 50%.

(1) Percentages of DT1 members are the same, at 50% in top 100 merited profiles and top 100 merit senders.
(2) Percentages of DT2 members are 37% and 34%, in top 100 merited profiles and top 100 merit senders, respectively.
(3) Percentages of normal users are 13% and 14%, in top 100 merited profiles and top 100 merit senders, respectively.

For more details, please read: Percentages of DT1, DT2 & normal users in top100 merited profiles, merit senders

[wwzsocki]

Yesterday, I joined that club, and now we have in the same club. 

Welcome to the club, you really deserved it !!!

I have seen your thread already yesterday and all this stats. I think we are both not DT members between other most merited members in the club.

Again, I am very happy to see you between 100 most merited members.

[wwzsocki]

Easiest and fastest way to earn merits?... Post memes on Wall Observer... Although I can't really complain, 95% of my merits are from the flat earth thread and fighting badecker.

I can only tell you that I never had such a luck to get even one merit for a low-quality post. They have to be at least a decent quality to be awarded.
Of course, I have seen such low-quality posts you are talking about, awarded in mega threads but this is for sure not applicable to every member.

I would say that the golden rule to get merits is to not think about getting them in the first place. This is true and I experienced this personally.
When I was posting only with the purpose and hope of getting merits, especially at the start of the system all I got in return was a couple of red paints and many problems.
We can't forget that we have to contribute to the forum and not only to take and give nothing back in return.

Finally, when I stopped to chase merits, accepted my actual situation and low rank compared to years spent on the forum, started enjoying myself, like before when I was interacting on the forum. Merits started to show up and finally, I was promoted to Hero with 250 merits earned. I was sure I will be never able to get them. Look now I am only 133 merits short to Legendary rank. As I said, stop thinking about merits and they will find you but I understand how difficult it is for members to develop such a mindset, especially if they are newbies and really rushing to rank up.