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September 16, 2019, 03:12:07 PM
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If someone buys BTC thinking it is "Bitcoin, a peer to peer electronic cash system" they are being scammed. 

People want to but BTC not your shitcoin you fucking dry lunch. You got issues son and it’s not only the way you look

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September 16, 2019, 03:12:25 PM
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There are only 2 cryptocurrencies in the world.
One is Bitcoin, another is shitcoin  Cheesy
Shitcoin must be given red tag so that it can't deceive the noobs. If I were theymos, I would take down the VIP status from all the shit scammer, lucky that theymos supports freedom of speech.
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September 16, 2019, 04:20:40 PM
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Roger Ver is richer than all you fucking gambling shills will ever be, I think this is mostly a jealously thing, they hate to see how rich Roger is so they try to bring him down.
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September 16, 2019, 04:32:19 PM
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If someone buys BTC thinking it is "Bitcoin, a peer to peer electronic cash system" they are being scammed. 

If somebody buys BCH thinking it is BTC, that's why people think you're a scam artist.

Why didn't you just pick a new name for your coin instead of trying to ride the coat-tails of Bitcoin? Its not too late to rebrand. Perhaps you'd be better off doing so.

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September 16, 2019, 04:34:26 PM
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He is promoting bcash as the real bitcoin and that's the direct definition of a scam.

Bcash has neither the support from the miners, nor from the community.

Just another shitcoin.

He doesn't step back from his position neither. He is a scammer.




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September 16, 2019, 05:13:24 PM
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“Bitcoin is the chain originating from the genesis block with the highest accumulated proof of work. The Bitcoin Cash fork failed to gain majority, thus it is not Bitcoin.” - Erik Voorhees

This holds even more true today than it did a year ago when first stated, yet Roger's charade continues... Unbelievable.  Roll Eyes

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September 16, 2019, 05:25:53 PM
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If someone buys BTC thinking it is "Bitcoin, a peer to peer electronic cash system" they are being scammed.  

Making people believe that Btrash is the real Bitcoin is like scamming people. You're brainwashing people, or at least trying. You don't really have a lesson to give here, let alone advice.
Deceiving people as you do shows your true face, a bit like people abusing seniors by ripping them off by selling insurances or solar panels. You're maybe good in money management but that's all.
Oh by the way, still posting fake photos on your Twitter Cheesy


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September 16, 2019, 07:29:16 PM
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I'm an avid watcher of Roger Ver's bitcoin channel and he was talking about bitcointalk forum and how his old threads have him labeled as a scammer.
 I don't remember Roger actually ever stealing money from anyone, I don't think he deserves those red marks.
His negative feedback doesn't label him a scammer. What it does is show a warning banner to unregistered users if they look at old sales threads created by Roger. It only goes as far to say one or more users believe him to be a scammer, and serves as a general warning applied to many accounts that receive negative feedback.

The feedback itself is justified as that's Nutildah's thoughts on the matter, which are shared by a large number of people out there. If you care enough you can dig deeper into how the trust system here works. If you are referring to people just flatout calling him a scammer in threads, he's very pro freedom of speech and opposed to heavy moderation; so I imagine that is welcomed by him. Again that is all open to how people perceive his actions, if it were wrong or even overly contentious it would bring about a good discussion and not so much a long line of people with the same impression.

His reputation itself is his own doing. When you consciously and actively use double-speak to present a convoluted argument to rookies and newbs ultimately leaving them less informed and confused; what do you expect.

If someone buys BTC thinking it is "Bitcoin, a peer to peer electronic cash system" they are being scammed.  

I rewrote this. This comment is off-topic but made me think. This is where you went wrong, and a lot of projects do. You removed yourself from an environment where your ideas for change would have been challenged and may have even been reformed. Instead you chose to surround yourself with other like minded individuals and used a marketing machine to promote you agenda. If you had continued to discuss and listen, you might have found a way to deliver a product the world needed instead of attempting to usurp a title. I'm not the one to debate you on the networks or the inner workings of crypto, it goes well beyond my fundamental understanding. I like yogg's advice come back and have open discussions with people, it can make a world of difference.

Personally I initially held you in a high regard, and followed a lot of what you were saying. This was because in 2017 as a newbie fresh as can be I followed into sites like bitcoin.com, and hey this dude has done a lot been around for a long time. I mined with your pool, was checking out the forum really followed the path.  Here I am trying to figure out wallets and addresses, keys and understand the fundamental differences between coins. Now I have a personality that I was trusting intentionally spreading a false narrative. Hey I was buying into it, how could one not when you don't know what information is legit. I was making enough rookie mistakes of my own at the time, but you helped me realize the worst. I was taking a man shilling his project at his word. I guess I should thank you for that as it probably saved me later on.  I don't care that you have an altcoin, I don't care that you want to piggyback off the Bitcoin (BTC) BTC name, but stop trying to force your will upon the world 1 newbie at a time, and own your project for what it is.

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September 16, 2019, 07:52:55 PM
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If someone buys BTC thinking it is "Bitcoin, a peer to peer electronic cash system" they are being scammed.  
Really? From when you have realized that? After fork of BCH ? Is it not enough evidence that you are misleading bitcoin users? I don't think someone will trust you whoever fully aware about bitcoin. That's the reason why you have tagged on this forum. Its pretty much clear that you want to mark bitcoin as a scam coin which is totally wrong. Your wrong statement would discourage new bitcoin user. Yout fork coin is just a altcoin like others, nothing else and you will realise that once a time. And obviously, your thoughts will not effect on bitcoin community.

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September 16, 2019, 08:15:07 PM
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If I was cynical I'd say a troll buys a farmed shitposting account, starts a thread as if anyone cares about him, and steps in to troll us so that he could have more material for one of his whiny-ass videos.

But I'm not so I won't. Carry on feeding the critter.

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September 16, 2019, 09:57:19 PM
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If someone buys BTC thinking it is "Bitcoin, a peer to peer electronic cash system" they are being scammed.
Right, but doing this was totally not scammy at all:


This is indeed where the problem lies.  Forking Bitcoin with Bitcoin Cash was never the issue as that is not uncommon in open source projects.  Using Bitcoin assets like Bitcoin.com to push the unpopular narrative of BCH being the real Bitcoin was where things went bad in my opinion.  I believe had Roger continued publicly positively supporting Bitcoin with Bitcoin.com and launched a competing Bitcoincash.com site, he could have eventually found himself in the good graces of both projects as cooler heads eventually prevailed. 

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Using Bitcoin assets like Bitcoin.com to push the unpopular narrative of BCH being the real Bitcoin was where things went bad in my opinion.
Agreed. I think most of the community doesn't actually have anything against the coin BCH per se. There are many forks of bitcoin out there, but none attracts the same disgust as BCH because none of them lie to naive users and try to pass themselves off as something they aren't.

I find it particular disingenuous when Roger complains about censorship and says "You only need censorship if your arguments are weak / aren't strong enough to stand up on their own". Well, in the exact same vein, you only need to pretend to be another coin if your coin is too weak to stand on it's own.

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If someone buys BTC thinking it is "Bitcoin, a peer to peer electronic cash system" they are being scammed.  

Dude, I can create a paper and paint a stick figure on it and call it Roger Ver.

But that does not make that piece of thin vanilla paper anything other than just that .. thin vanilla paper.

Bitcoin is a peer to peer electronic cash system.

Whatever your Bitcoin Cash is - it is just that - BITCOIN CASH a.k.a not Bitcoin.

you only need to pretend to be another coin if your coin is too weak to stand on it's own.

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September 17, 2019, 09:28:03 AM
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Right, but doing this was totally not scammy at all:

I didn't do that, and the instant I was made aware of it, I had it corrected.

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September 17, 2019, 09:34:34 AM
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“Bitcoin is the chain originating from the genesis block with the highest accumulated proof of work. The Bitcoin Cash fork failed to gain majority, thus it is not Bitcoin.” - Erik Voorhees

If it isn't A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System it isn't Bitcoin. - Roger Ver

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If it isn't A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System it isn't Bitcoin. - Roger Ver
What's your point? May be you can define cash and currency.

I didn't do that, and the instant I was made aware of it, I had it corrected.
Will you change the domain name and the Bitcoin branding too?

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I didn't do that, and the instant I was made aware of it, I had it corrected.

Hello Roger,

Thank you for rectifying this.

I believe that the current situation is simply the addition of all the tiny little mistakes as the one highlighted here.
Even if you didn't do it, it ended up on the website that you advertise and goes towards your version of what happened with BTC.

Please, keep on the effort of clarifying the differences between BTC and BCH, instead of trying to blur the lines.

Also, there is no "Bitcoin Core" coin.
It would be equivalent to talk about an "Electrum" coin, then.

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September 17, 2019, 09:38:02 AM
Last edit: September 17, 2019, 09:50:30 AM by mindrust
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“Bitcoin is the chain originating from the genesis block with the highest accumulated proof of work. The Bitcoin Cash fork failed to gain majority, thus it is not Bitcoin.” - Erik Voorhees

If it isn't A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System it isn't Bitcoin. - Roger Ver

Where is bcash's hashrate? How can you claim it to be the real bitcoin while you got that tiny amount of hashrate?

Roger Ver is richer than all you fucking gambling shills will ever be, I think this is mostly a jealously thing, they hate to see how rich Roger is so they try to bring him down.

He is a self made millionare who went to jail for selling illegal explosives. We already know that. Still he is so salty for getting red trust. Must suck to be him. Even when he is rich af, he still cries for getting tagged.




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September 17, 2019, 09:40:42 AM
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If you had continued to discuss and listen, you might have found a way to deliver a product the world needed instead of attempting to usurp a title.

The Bitcoin Cash community still allows free speech and open discussion.
The BTC community is still heavily censored: https://medium.com/@johnblocke/a-brief-and-incomplete-history-of-censorship-in-r-bitcoin-c85a290fe43

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If you had continued to discuss and listen, you might have found a way to deliver a product the world needed instead of attempting to usurp a title.

The Bitcoin Cash community still allows free speech and open discussion.
The BTC community is still heavily censored: https://medium.com/@johnblocke/a-brief-and-incomplete-history-of-censorship-in-r-bitcoin-c85a290fe43

Mass downvoting for differing opinions is another form of censorship... something /r/btc definitely takes a part of. If you aren't repeating the rest of the echo chamber you're a "blockstream troll" and instantly downvoted

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