REE @Tecshare explanation

[marlboroza]

I would argue that this should be the course of action no matter who the account is. Frankly there is enough info here for the resident autists to dig this up as it is. What is more important is the behavior of the person in control of the account.

Explain "enough info for the resident autists"

This is one of my primary grievances with the culture of this forum. If you are right you get to feel good about yourself and tell everyone how great you are for preventing scams, raising your own profile in the process. If you are wrong, oh well it costs you nothing to seriously invade some ones privacy, disrupt their life, income, and possibly burn their reputation. No skin off your back, so fuckem right? I have hockey pads, I can be Batman too!

This mentality is exactly why systems of due process exist in law, and exactly why Theymos made some of the most recent trust system changes.

Explain meaning of "raising your own profile"

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[eddie13]

"Autist" is a term of endearment meaning someone that is exceptionally good at a specific task but is probably a weird nerd, socially akward, or "incel" in real life..  
"Autist" usually refers to internet detectives who are great at internet sleuthing..
Based on the meaning of autism, an autistic person might be able to count 1487 toothpicks on the floor instantly, seemingly by magic, but might not even be able to make a sandwich or dress themselves..
See the movie Rain Man..

One may expect an autist to know what an autist is but their might be a bit of a culture gap..

[The Sceptical Chymist]

"Autist" is a term of endearment meaning someone that is exceptionally good at a specific task but is probably a weird nerd, socially akward, or "incel" in real life..  

I don't know about the incel part of what you wrote, but I'm pretty sure TECSHARE means the people on this forum who sift through things with a fine-tooth comb in an almost obsessive Rain Man-type manner.  Sure, not all autistics do stuff like that but I get his point.  I don't find it to be derogatory either--and I'm not sticking up for TECSHARE either.  Autistics who focus their energies and attention on things can produce incredible stuff.  I'm also not saying our fine forum detectives are autistic.  They just tend to be extremely meticulous in their research.

One may expect an autist to know what an autist is but their might be a bit of a culture gap..

This forum is one huge melting pot culture gap.  You can either tread carefully or blithely....I choose the latter, as I find the results often amusing.

[suchmoon]

Explain meaning of "raising your own profile"

A safe bet with these QUICKOGTECHUNTER types is that they use projection. Raising one's profile is likely how TECSHARE imagines this whole DT thing, perhaps part of the reason why he's so upset every time he gets kicked out.

[TECSHARE]

Explain meaning of "raising your own profile"

A safe bet with these QUICKOGTECHUNTER types is that they use projection. Raising one's profile is likely how TECSHARE imagines this whole DT thing, perhaps part of the reason why he's so upset every time he gets kicked out.

Oh really? Please explain the primary method of earning a positive reputation here other than trade. I am very interested to see this verbal semantic dance.

[marlboroza]

Paying attention to details is very important part of every investigation/research, it doesn't make someone autist, but I guess some people on this forum believe they are doctors. I would rather say people who habitually lie have mental disorders, but as I am not doctor I can't say for sure...

Oh really? Please explain the primary method of earning a positive reputation here other than trade. I am very interested to see this verbal semantic dance.

You have questions in this thread directed towards you, so if you find time between meriting posts and going off topic please address them.

[suchmoon]

Oh really? Please explain the primary method of earning a positive reputation here other than trade. I am very interested to see this verbal semantic dance.

Not sure how to put this to you so that you wouldn't make it into a conspiracy theory, but I'm not really that interested in wasting my time explaining things that you make up. Particularly since I don't think that trade or the whatever-the-fuck-you-mean-by-profile is anywhere near the top of the list of what this forum is for. So knock yourself out.

[TECSHARE]

Oh really? Please explain the primary method of earning a positive reputation here other than trade. I am very interested to see this verbal semantic dance.

Not sure how to put this to you so that you wouldn't make it into a conspiracy theory, but I'm not really that interested in wasting my time explaining things that you make up. Particularly since I don't think that trade or the whatever-the-fuck-you-mean-by-profile is anywhere near the top of the list of what this forum is for. So knock yourself out.

That is a rather convenient out from your self contradicting arguments. Funny how that works (no conspiracy necessary).

EDIT: Bitcoin us designed as a method of exchange and trade, but trade is no where near the top of the list of what the forum is for? Sorry but your personal values don't translate globally. Saying trade isn't important on a Bitcoin forum is like saying food isn't important on a cooking forum. This is an additionally asinine comment considering the trust system is designed to help protect people during trading,  not to rank up in like BitCop Simulator 2.0.

[Vod]

Oh really? Please explain the primary method of earning a positive reputation here other than trade. I am very interested to see this verbal semantic dance.

Catch scammers.
Educate newbies.
Build tools.

[TECSHARE]

Oh really? Please explain the primary method of earning a positive reputation here other than trade. I am very interested to see this verbal semantic dance.

Catch scammers.
Educate newbies.
Build tools.

Thanks for proving my point.

This is one of my primary grievances with the culture of this forum. If you are right you get to feel good about yourself and tell everyone how great you are for preventing scams, raising your own profile in the process. If you are wrong, oh well it costs you nothing to seriously invade some ones privacy, disrupt their life, income, and possibly burn their reputation. No skin off your back, so fuckem right? I have hockey pads, I can be Batman too!

This mentality is exactly why systems of due process exist in law, and exactly why Theymos made some of the most recent trust system changes.

[nutildah]

Oh really? Please explain the primary method of earning a positive reputation here other than trade. I am very interested to see this verbal semantic dance.

Catch scammers.
Educate newbies.
Build tools.

Thanks for proving my point.

This is one of my primary grievances with the culture of this forum. If you are right you get to feel good about yourself and tell everyone how great you are for preventing scams, raising your own profile in the process. If you are wrong, oh well it costs you nothing to seriously invade some ones privacy, disrupt their life, income, and possibly burn their reputation. No skin off your back, so fuckem right? I have hockey pads, I can be Batman too!

Actually there are some notoriously ineffective and overzealous scambusters here as well and they are not on DT1 for what is likely to be that reason. I find people who go around accusing everybody of everything to be tiresome and confusing, as do others.

In addition to Vod's list, which is quite apt, you can also build a positive reputation by helping other members and being a generally positive resource for the forum.

[bob123]

wikipedia -"the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is. It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from the inability of people to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, people cannot objectively evaluate their competence or incompetence." but hey the guy's competent when it comes to sending packages

'nuff said

[actmyname]

I do think that TEC has a point in regards to the perceived trust of someone that catches scammers.

The issue with applying so much value on those that seek them out is that you almost have a single point of failure. Consider, if you will, what you learn from someone who has caught many scammers in their forum lifetime.

You know:

1) they are good at catching scammers.
2) they are more likely to have better character than someone who does not catch scammersNeither of these points would aptly make you think, "this is someone I ought to trade with, without using escrow."

If trust scores are of any value to you, then I expect you to send a significant amount of bitcoins to one of the top 10 "most trusted" users and then ask for it back.

As for me, I have only used escrow once over the past year... not because I used the trust system on-forum, but because I used my personal trust system: logic. Just don't put so much emphasis on trust.

[eddie13]

No offence to these specific users but just some quick examples of trust scores based almost soley on scambusting I could grab fast and easy from the current rep board..





Again, I don't intend to say anything bad against these users but this is just an example that shows that "scambusting" is a very effective avenue to build reputation, maybe the most effective.. Not even saying that this is their intention at all, but it could be someones intention..

Remember mdayonliner?

New accounts being so ambitious to gain merits and trust, to get in with the forum police crowd, are extremely suspicious to me and I hope everyone keeps their eyes peeled..
Their are others I am suspicious of but these ones are in the past..

I wholly agree. The people who are desperate to gain 'trust' here are often going to use it for all the wrong reasons. I never came to this forum thinking I really want to be trusted and I'm sure most other very 'trusted' users here felt the same. Trust and rep is just something you build up naturally over time and should be irrelevant to most people but a lot of people seem to want it ASAP so it'll probably help them financially (whether they're just going to use it to gain an advantage in legitimate business or use the supposed 'trustworthiness' to scam at a certain point). This is partly why I really don't trust op. He seems to really just want a trusted account at whatever the cost. Would he have tried to use that trust to pull some sort of scam at some point ? Who knows, but like I said before, ponzi promoters aren't exactly the most moral of people.  

Also scambusters would probably make the most dangerous scammers themselves due to their scam education and expertise..
I can't find my old post about QSs rep but I said something along the lines of "If he was a scammer he would be an extremely dangerous scammer"..
Who could get away with Murder better than an experienced murder detective that knows all the ways to catch murderers?

Paying attention to details is very important part of every investigation/research, it doesn't make someone autist, but I guess some people on this forum believe they are doctors.

It's not literal man and like I said it is sort of a compliment to be called an "autist".. It means you are better at something than mostly everyone else.. So good that, the joke goes, you must be some sort of freak with autism, to be that good at it..

[Quickseller]

Also scambusters would probably make the most dangerous scammers themselves due to their scam education and expertise..
I can't find my old post about QSs rep but I said something along the lines of "If he was a scammer he would be an extremely dangerous scammer"..
Who could get away with Murder better than an experienced murder detective that knows all the ways to catch murderers?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5127540.msg50488750#msg50488750

Also, I at least partially made my rep via trades that I personally benefited from economically, and from others seeing that I won’t steal from others, even if I had the opportunity.   

[eddie13]

Holy cow, speak of the devil..
Hasn't been online in days and then all of a sudden BAM, there he is like magic.. Must be some sort of autist..

I was more alluding to your scam education rather than your built rep..

[Quickseller]

Holy cow, speak of the devil..
Hasn't been online in days and then all of a sudden BAM, there he is like magic.. Must be some sort of autist..

Lol. I use this for notifications when someone talks about me. I happened to remember which thread you posted your comment in

[The-One-Above-All]

I do think that TEC has a point in regards to the perceived trust of someone that catches scammers.

The issue with applying so much value on those that seek them out is that you almost have a single point of failure. Consider, if you will, what you learn from someone who has caught many scammers in their forum lifetime.

You know:

1) they are good at catching scammers.
2) they are more likely to have better character than someone who does not catch scammersNeither of these points would aptly make you think, "this is someone I ought to trade with, without using escrow."

If trust scores are of any value to you, then I expect you to send a significant amount of bitcoins to one of the top 10 "most trusted" users and then ask for it back.

As for me, I have only used escrow once over the past year... not because I used the trust system on-forum, but because I used my personal trust system: logic. Just don't put so much emphasis on trust.

This post does have some value however the 2 points you claim are not essentially things you can know are they?

1/ they may just spend more time looking for small time scammers
2/ they may not be spending time doing other far more important things for this community that would have a far greater positive impact
3/ they are only doing it with motivation of gaining position from which they can conduct a larger scam or just to ensure their position into power/thus greater rev streams
4/ their alts could be responsible for setting up " potential scams" for them to bust.

You really know NOTHING or very little because a person has busted a lot of small scams.

Case in point lauda?tman? nutildah?. Do we really need to analyze their entire observable past history and the proven financial wrong doing and highly probably financial wrong doing?

5/ I see a direct correlation between obsessive scam fighters in many cases and those that demonstrate clear double standards, at times being scammers or scammer supporters themselves. Not to mention their character seems to be shaped from a life of being bullied or rejected or some other form of damage that made them the kinds of kids at school that told teacher if your swore. Willing to support any argument they can benefit from financially themselves.

The valuable part of your post is

There is no reason to TRUST these people in a trade/ or trust their opinions any  more than people who are not scam fighters who have conducted many successful high value trades, or many others that have contributed in a large way to this community... That also have zero observable instances of financially motivated wrong doing.  Sure you may trust some of these scam fighters with small amounts since they value their power and chipmixer et al payments. Trust them with a 5 BTC or greater trade without escrow ? no. Trust OG or Tecshare or a long term legend with lots of trading history and a ton of post history to examine, then yes that would be possible.

I notice ALL the obsessive scam hunters are busy spamming the highest paying sigs they can or perhaps 2 or 3 if they can keep their sock puppets from posting using the same receiving addresses.  This demonstrates greed and sneaking to us. We notice many are supporting trust abuse and scammers.

This is not a good character.

What you can likely assume about obsessive scam finders here.

1. third world or poverty cases seeking to gain some merit and recognition RAISING YOUR OWN PROFILE
2. will be spamming the highest paying sigs they can from the outset
3. will be supporting the arguments of anyone handing out merit or DT members
4. will be applying to chipmixer asap
5. may well wind up on the dirty turds poll thread.
6. will abuse the trust system if you ask about inconvenient historical events in their post histories or those histories of DT members
7. will be cycling merit with the best of them
8. employing clear double standards
9. some could be AUTISTIC ( a positive thing in some scenarios)

these do not apply to all but actually a nice big proportion of them that we have looked at lately.

Usually your points are pretty strong and robust. We feel saying you know those 2 things in the light of the observable behaviors here... are less robust than usual.

Morobozo is likely semi autistic ( it does not come across positively in his case) then again perhaps if one were to go to a casino with him ??

 I mean if you went with him , lauda, tman and nutildah... then that casinos odds don't look great.

[actmyname]

You know:

1) they are good at catching scammers.
2) they are more likely to have better character than someone who does not catch scammersNeither of these points would aptly make you think, "this is someone I ought to trade with, without using escrow."

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Your point against 1) is more about semantics.

What I mean about "good at catching scammers" is merely: they have shown themselves to have ousted many cryptographic identities. Whatever is actually happening is not relevant to my point since we can't be sure about anything digital. Of course.

2) is in relation to the space of all people who have not posted about scammers. Consider the average ICO bounty participant vs. the average scambuster if you want a clearer example.At the end of the day, the two points were made purely to illustrate how little scambusting proves... so we're on the same page, more or less.

[xolxol]

poor marlboroza he cant to anything in this forum,try something else other than whining and moaning like a girl.