This is not a ponzi scheme, Remember????????

[Ezravdb]

Perhaps you need to do more analysis because, in today reality, we have witnessed many projects left by the developers. So what should we call them? Scammers or Ponzi schemes. The road map is not a guide; even patience is no longer an aid to turn things around.

[baigreen]

And investors forget that investing in startups is a risky activity. Since 90% of real business closes the same year. So this applies to cryptocurrency. In fact, I understand why they complain. Because the team did not give the product that was announced. But please note that every cryptocurrency startup has secured itself. Most projects do not have an estimated price in the documents. Which means that they don’t promise anything and cannot legally attract them ...

[Red-Apple]

over the past couple of years if have witnessed at least a thousand different ICOs come and go and so far i have not even seen a single one that i could call "good".
of course i define good NOT by the profit they give you but by the PRODUCT they give you. and so far all tokens were used to raise funds, get pumped, and die. nothing else.

If the project indicator successful is to launch product, indeed many ICOs fail to implement their product, Investor need profits, not just product.
Every investor has a different opinion about the success of his investment but main thing is certain to provide profits, and how can we say that the product of the project is good if the price of the token is inversely proportional.

no investor has ever made any profit from any of the ICOs! so by the definition they don't even satisfy the profit that people are seeking. the only profit that these ICOs have ever given those who participate in them is the profit for those who act fast and dump it at the peak of the pump before the projects starts the nose dive.

[Insomnia family]

all have risks including in the field of crypto investment, but the fact that tokens when listing on the exchange, prices go down and die. You cannot conclude that patience is the key! how much patience did you see the situation of this crypto market? for me in the current market situation depends on how skilled you are in the industry. lack of knowledge that makes most people stuck in the wrong place.

[Nezerlan]

No it is not a ponzi scheme. Many fail to understand this simple fact. Those who made millions and billions and crypto today, did so by holding coins like Bitcoin for several years. Some as many as a decade ago. New investors are expecting too much

[casperBGD]

agree with you, it is very often that projects are good, ideas even can be called great, but implementation is in the wrong way, and whole project goes down the pipe, and people call it scam
does not have to be scam, it could be just bad managed good idea/project

[slashz9]

There is an adage that says "if we all knew the outcome of investment then we would all be very rich".
It amazes me when I see investors complaining that the price of a project token dropped after listing and they go on to label the project as scam.
The fact is that they have forgotten the risk part of investment, you can't just expect everything to just come out 100% safe without risk. The price drop is the risky part of it, and you have to be willing to cope with that, support the team and wait for them to turn things around. Remember that it is not a ponzi scheme where your money magically increases over night. Patience is key 

of course, but most of them fail, i mean maybe 90% it will fail, so yeah no wonder they say so.
its not about duration of the process required, but how to choose the right one,because if you choose wrong, you just not waste your money,also your time.
so choosing a project that is really good is its main goal.

Educated traders, analysts and successful investors don't have the time to come on Bitcointalk and start bawling over their losses.

Pro tip: if you come on here and start complaining about losing some cash, you were not qualified to invest in the first place.

yeah, smart investor came to here for information and if they get rekt,they will not complain about the loss they suffered.
winners always know losing is part of winning

[maxreish]

I believe, too that "Patience is the key" but haven't it too tiring to wait when an investors are trying to wait like forever for that particular coin to pump? Holding is the only choice we have but a wise investor will also reconsider some situations wherein selling in a deficit price but rebuy some potential coins to get back what the losses.

The moment we have joined crypto world, we know for a fact the risk of the market's volatility.

[VDraci]

I haven't seen any business that is risk free, if anyone told you that risk free businesses exist it a fat lie, we take risks to have a outcomes, either positive or negative result you won't know until you try, risk takers will always prevail and those who did nothing will always remain in same spot

[pelumi20]

that is valid, yet such huge numbers of investors can't manage the hazard that they have confronted it when the price of token is going drop to the base. I don't have to specify shitcoin even a token like gram has been loosing over half from its ico price just in a couple of days. The price of token won't rely upon how huge the stage or the name of company and even significant company that has definitely known by such a large number of individuals are giving terrible execution.

[cunguks]

that is valid, yet such huge numbers of investors can't manage the hazard that they have confronted it when the price of token is going drop to the base. I don't have to specify shitcoin even a token like gram has been loosing over half from its ico price just in a couple of days. The price of token won't rely upon how huge the stage or the name of company and even significant company that has definitely known by such a large number of individuals are giving terrible execution.

price reduction is even far from the price of their ICO I think that is a natural thing. especially if experienced by new projects with markets that are not yet truly large. of course this has a big risk, but if you believe in a good project or in the long run have a good development. it is not impossible that investment can be very profitable. but remember once again even this is very risky.

[TanakabZX]

There is an adage that says "if we all knew the outcome of investment then we would all be very rich".
It amazes me when I see investors complaining that the price of a project token dropped after listing and they go on to label the project as scam.
The fact is that they have forgotten the risk part of investment, you can't just expect everything to just come out 100% safe without risk. The price drop is the risky part of it, and you have to be willing to cope with that, support the team and wait for them to turn things around. Remember that it is not a ponzi scheme where your money magically increases over night. Patience is key 

People are tired of patience already, many have given up on altcoins and they have moved to bitcoin to cut short their lose but i refuse to belief that its the end for altcoins, i know we have many fake and scam projects now but i am willing to take the risks

[TheICE007]

Impatience is mostly the problem, we just want everything quick and smooth, forgetting that nothing good comes easy, also in crypto before starting, you would be told that there are times when a coin will dip but there will always be recovery period as long as you don't sell out of fear. Every business has it's own risk all you need is how the space operates.

[Febo]

Remember that it is not a ponzi scheme where your money magically increases over night. Patience is key 

Proof of Stake and Masternode coins are all ponzi schemes.  ICOs are mainly securities.

[upyem2k]

Yeah patience is the key and sometimes, it is not the team's fault that the price falls. The same greedy investors hear about the project's bounty and airdrop distribution and start bidding low prices to buy from hungry mongers hunters. They bastardize the price to the point of no redemption and it the end put the blame on the teams and bounty hunters when their greed is the major problem.

[ivaf]

Yeah patience is the key and sometimes, it is not the team's fault that the price falls. The same greedy investors hear about the project's bounty and airdrop distribution and start bidding low prices to buy from hungry mongers hunters. They bastardize the price to the point of no redemption and it the end put the blame on the teams and bounty hunters when their greed is the major problem.

Well, bounty hunters are to blame again! Understand that you can not affect the price with one percent of the asset. Bounty hunters have no market influence.
Patience - yes, I agree. Really needed here. Both asset holders and project teams.

[coin-investor]

There is an adage that says "if we all knew the outcome of investment then we would all be very rich".
It amazes me when I see investors complaining that the price of a project token dropped after listing and they go on to label the project as scam.
The fact is that they have forgotten the risk part of investment, you can't just expect everything to just come out 100% safe without risk. The price drop is the risky part of it, and you have to be willing to cope with that, support the team and wait for them to turn things around. Remember that it is not a ponzi scheme where your money magically increases over night. Patience is key 

Old investors already know this scenario it is something has been going for the last 2 years, 90% of the coins are dropping their price when it hit the market, I myself invested on so many coins that dropped their price when it hit the market, this is will be going on until the altcoins season comes.

[Ferris419]

That's the sad part where people want to be rich overnight. Price ups and downs are a common part of crypto. You have to be used to with it. Without downs, a coin's price won't be stable. Volatile is the nature of crypto. If you can't bear the price down, crypto investment is not for you. Another thing is, after seeing lots of scam project, people are very careful right now, that's why sometimes they feel doubt even on a good project team!

[torpedo]

Couldn't put it better. Indeed, it seems like people forgor they are doing it in real life, not in online game (with all respect to games)

[Ararbermas]

There is an adage that says "if we all knew the outcome of investment then we would all be very rich".
It amazes me when I see investors complaining that the price of a project token dropped after listing and they go on to label the project as scam.
The fact is that they have forgotten the risk part of investment, you can't just expect everything to just come out 100% safe without risk. The price drop is the risky part of it, and you have to be willing to cope with that, support the team and wait for them to turn things around. Remember that it is not a ponzi scheme where your money magically increases over night. Patience is key  

i agree on your statement above mate.  Wherein not all project are scam when there's a sudden drop of price after listing, because sometimes there's are some factors that blocking the way to stop the progress of the project  , what i mean reason the team behind  struggling as well how to fix the issue .  So we must understand the situation.  In fact were not just the only one who suffer despite of situation. So let's  be patient and let them fix it before complaining.