A crash Brexit looms over the UK

[Cnut237]

Elections are never truly democratic. You can only vote for candidates who are selected by a ruling elite. [...] Almost all of the members of parliament in the UK are bankers, lawyers and/or politicians, and are products of the Eton/Oxford elite.

Agree 100%. Eton then Oxbridge then government, it's a well-trodden path. Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson from the moment he was born probably had a decent percentage chance of becoming prime minister, utterly independent of whatever intelligence or aptitude he might or might not have. Inequality of opportunity is a terrible thing, and is only growing. I often wonder if the UK might be better if we'd had a French-style revolution.

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[Jet Cash]

We had Cromwell, Guy Fawkes and a few others.

[xtraelv]

The Brexit referendum was only held so the politicians would not be held responsible for the fallout.

They manipulated the public well to vote for a disastrous outcome that they can blame squarely on those that voted for it.

It is a tactic used by Governments. Hold a referendum that will get the outcome that they desire. If it doesn't get the desired outcome then they just do the same thing in a different way. Revaluation and crashing of the pound will burst the bubble and produce new cheap labor from those blue collar workers desperate for a job.

Uncertainty and devaluation create new opportunities for the ultra rich to plunder and enslave.

[Cnut237]

The Brexit referendum was only held so the politicians would not be held responsible for the fallout.

That is a common tactic, yes, but I think in the UK there is more to it. This can be traced back to David Cameron becoming PM. What happened was the Lib Dems secured a big chunk of the vote in the election (by positioning themselves as more left-wing than Labour), which meant that Labour or the Conservatives could only govern as part of a coalition with the Lib Dems. So the Lib Dems basically decided which party would form the government. They chose to join up with Cameron and the Conservatives, and their price for doing so was that a referendum be held for the Alternative Vote system, a sort of Proportional-Representation-Lite. Cameron gladly agreed, with a simple strategy that as soon as the referendum got started he would campaign vigorously against it - and his plan worked perfectly. Only Oxford and Cambridge I think (obvious high IQ hot-spots) voted in favour, almost all of the rest of the country voted against, and AV lost by a landslide.

Come the next election, the Conservatives faced a threat from UKIP, the party that wanted to leave the EU. So Cameron thought he'd just do the same trick again. He'd siphon off the UKIP vote by promising the Conservatives would have a Brexit referendum, then he'd campaign vigorously against leaving the EU, and win, as he did with AV.

Except he fucked up, lost, and then quit rather than face the consequences.

It really irritates me that the Lib Dems now position themselves as being the party of Remain, when these are the bastards who put Cameron in power and caused the leave vote in the first place. I'm not a fan of the Tories - but at least they are fairly honest about being evil. The Lib Dems shift about like crazy and have no policies or beliefs beyond whatever they think will get them some votes.

[Jet Cash]

It looks as if disaster may be looming. There seems to be a shift away from the very beneficial true Brexit, and towards some deceitful remain variant. Boris Johnson seems to be following in the footsteps of the treasonous Theresa May, but what do you expect from an Eton/Oxford banker.

[franky1]

- We won't be able to buy fish. British waters are fished by European fishermen, and we only have a small fishing fleet after the EU forced us to burn our boats following membership. We will have loads of fish if we just fish our own waters, and stop buying our fish from the Europeans.

- Farmers won't be able to sell their meat, and we won't be able to buy meat in the supermarkets. The obvious solution is for us to eat our own meat. Britain has higher food standards than the EU, and this is why the meat is exported, and the gullible British public buy inferior EU products through European supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi.

There are loads more topics like this, such as the fact that we were forced to burn out lovely traditional apple trees, and now the supermarkets push French pap instead of traditional Cox and Bramley apples. I'm lucky as I've just been given a load of free "Sops in Wine" apples by a Somerset farmer. I'm also buying Somerset brie rather than French brie. It's about the same price, and far better than the tasteless volume produced stuff that we import.

agree. also
cheddar cheese is actually cheddar cheese from cheddar. not some replicant only branded cheddar like yanks and euros sell

things like potatos.. in england we dont actually get majority of our spuds from ireland they come from egypt. so news of a 'potato famine' is just a joke.

if it becomes too expensive to buy things from europe, great we will make our own again. or get them elsewhere, thus restart industry=more jobs
woo hoo volkswagons too expensive, great we will open our own ford/nissan factories(avoiding euro cars) and also bring back old brands like morris minors. austin. heck even expand the ariel atom to be more popular
we will then put up the price of Jaguar Cars, MINI Cooper, Aston Martin, Rolls-Royce, Land Rover, Bentley Motors Limited
when europe wants to buy them. they can afford it

funny part is britain is not an american state, not an indian state, not an asian state nor a african state or a south american state, yet we continue to de trade with those regions. so no matter what the euro deal is or isnt we will continue.

UK's finance markets and tax/customs office can even soften the blow of euro customs tarrif very easily. by just making europe pay extra for a pound.
EG if £1 product is e1.20(no tarriff) but then euro want to implement a 10% tarriff. britain can just start making europe only get
£1 for thier new $1.32

theres many many thing that can be done. many people dont realise EU actually relis on us more because of our commonwealth ties. yp the EU will end up heving to make new negociations with separate countries because some of the deals before were done via the cmmonwealth treaty being extended to euro to certain conditional trades

[Jet Cash]

John Bercow is the MP for Buckinghamshire. I don't understand why his constituents have him removed, and then he would no longer be able to act as speaker. No person other than the rembrancer ( the representative for the City of London, which is now a separate country) is allowed into the parliamentary chamber, unless he has been voted in as a member of parliament.

[styca]

John Bercow is the MP for Buckinghamshire. I don't understand why his constituents have him removed, and then he would no longer be able to act as speaker. No person other than the rembrancer ( the representative for the City of London, which is now a separate country) is allowed into the parliamentary chamber, unless he has been voted in as a member of parliament.

He's standing down tomorrow apparently ( https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/john-bercow-will-stand-down-as-commons-speaker-tomorrow-despite-speculation-he-might-stay-on-a4274161.html ).
Shame, I liked him. Often the only person keeping the idiot MPs in line. One of the few Tories with morals and a conscience.

[Jet Cash]

. Often the only person keeping the idiot MPs in line. One of the few Tories with morals and a conscience.

Was that a joke post? He has done more than anyone to destroy the traditions of one of the oldest parliamentary systems in the world, and also he has attempted to destroy democracy here. And it is all all to help his own fortunes, and those of his Globalist masters and associates.

I hope that his departure will lead to my country being given back to the people, but I doubt if we can get rid of the controllers in the Anglophone empire.

[friends1980]

Just read the rubbish that the mass media prints, and you will realise how stupid remainers are

Hear hear. The New York Times, CNN and The Daily Mirror are my most trusted sources: if you read the exact opposite of what they write, they're always right. 100% success rating guaranteed.

[styca]

. Often the only person keeping the idiot MPs in line. One of the few Tories with morals and a conscience.

Was that a joke post? He has done more than anyone to destroy the traditions of one of the oldest parliamentary systems in the world, and also he has attempted to destroy democracy here. And it is all all to help his own fortunes, and those of his Globalist masters and associates.

I hope that his departure will lead to my country being given back to the people, but I doubt if we can get rid of the controllers in the Anglophone empire.

That reads perfectly as an assessment of Boris Johnson.

Weirdly I do agree with you that we are governed by an unaccountable elite who are only in it for themselves and give no thought to national interest or indeed human dignity. In the UK this is manifested as the Conservative party.
The EU with its rules and institutions is right-wing compared with Jeremy Corbyn's Labour, and left-wing compared with Boris Johnson's Tories.
I am in favour of remaining in the EU partly because of the trade deal thing that I've already covered elsewhere, but more importantly because although EU laws aren't perfect, they do provide important protections against a billionaire Tory party that is hell-bent on dismantling the state. The Tories - the elites - hate any brake on their power. If they get their way and leave the EU, the Tory government will begin to remove workers' rights, push for further privitisation of the NHS, and lower standards and regulations across the board. They'll start this quicker than you can say "chlorinated chicken".

The elites need to be held in check. Leaving the EU is not the way to do this, it just makes things worse.