Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son

[TwitchySeal]

But those on the right are more like cult followers who just blindly follow along and aren't objective about anything. No wonder the US is so fucked up.

It think it would be more accurate to say Trump supporters.

[nutildah]

Polls, always with the polls. Polls are easily manipulated. It amazes me how many of you forgot all the polls with 90%+ saying Hillary was going to win already. Keep dreaming, the Democrats don't have anyone with a chance in hell of beating Trump.

The poll isn't about the general election, its about the primary election.

Joe has to make it to the primary without springing a leak or molesting another child on camera first.

I like how your reason why Biden's legacy is over just pivoted from the whole Ukraine ordeal to "springing a leak" (whatever that means) or "molesting another child on camera" (a thing that never happened).

So what if he's a bit touchy. In this day and age, its standard behavior for a presidential candidate to boast about grabbing women by the pussy.

Even though the conspiratards have convinced me to rally around Creepy Uncle Joe in support against their fuckery, I would be thrilled if Sanders actually became the nominee after toasting Biden and Warren in the debates. That may spell the end of the "Biden Legacy." It certainly won't be the Ukraine ordeal. Trump's legacy, on the other hand, currently hinges on it.

Actually I was referring to his poor physical condition with his eyes randomly popping blood vessels, his teeth falling out, and him losing his mind.

"A bit touchy" you say? There are whole compilations of videos of him groping small children and women making them visibly uncomfortable. These aren't even the long versions. But you are right, lets break out some more NO U!!!'s and project back on like 20 year old comments said in private, lets forget the public pattern of on camera molestation of your guy, because after all the end justify the means don't they?  Biden's legacy is over, but unlike the constant fraudulent accusations against Trump, real criminal investigations are in private and take time.

You keep fantasizing that any of these rejects has a chance in a fair vote. That is why it has been nonstop Russia Gate leading into a fraudulent impeachment all based on nothing, because that is the only chance they have of beating Trump is to use the tools designed to protect this nation from corruption as political weapons. If you think the American people are going to stand by and let that happen without a response, you are even more out of it than Joe Biden. Just keep reading them polls, it will make you feel better until its all over, just like last time.

Well, at least you seem to be over your Ukraine delusion, so that's a step in the right direction.

[Viper1]

But those on the right are more like cult followers who just blindly follow along and aren't objective about anything. No wonder the US is so fucked up.

It think it would be more accurate to say Trump supporters.

My bad.. Although I know plenty on the right that would fall into that category as well.

[TECSHARE]

Careful you don't break your necks sucking each other off too hard while you fantasize and project. Everyone knows when you get together with people who all agree with you your correctness instantly goes up 20%.

Same stale failed formula. Accuse until you run out of arguments, then shift to the next accusation, and form groups of hive minded people to  stand around and assure yourselves that THIS TIME you got him. So what about those non-subpoena subpoenas?

[nutildah]

Careful you don't break your necks sucking each other off too hard while you fantasize and project.

Oh, the irony. 

Everyone knows when you get together with people who all agree with you your correctness instantly goes up 20%.

Usually P&S is a circle-jerkery of right-wingers, but you don't seem to be getting much support from your team in this thread. I suspect its because of a combination of things.

Same stale failed formula. Accuse until you run out of arguments, then shift to the next accusation, and form groups of hive minded people to  stand around and assure yourselves that THIS TIME you got him.

You just did that by pivoting from Biden's Ukraine involvement to him being a creepy old man. The only thing you're missing is the hive. I think they've moved on, perhaps in search of a new queen bee.

[TECSHARE]

Careful you don't break your necks sucking each other off too hard while you fantasize and project.

Oh, the irony. 

Everyone knows when you get together with people who all agree with you your correctness instantly goes up 20%.

Usually P&S is a circle-jerkery of right-wingers, but you don't seem to be getting much support from your team in this thread. I suspect its because of a combination of things.

Same stale failed formula. Accuse until you run out of arguments, then shift to the next accusation, and form groups of hive minded people to  stand around and assure yourselves that THIS TIME you got him.

You just did that by pivoting from Biden's Ukraine involvement to him being a creepy old man. The only thing you're missing is the hive. I think they've moved on, perhaps in search of a new queen bee.

What irony? Do I have an entourage following me around agreeing with me like you do? I don't see any except for yours. IS it really though? Or does any space that doesn't immediately censor and ban anyone right of Mao Zedong qualify as a "right wing circle jerk" to you? I am not pivoting from anything except in the 2 bit matinee playing in what is left of your brain. Real investigations are not done in public and take time. Fake political hacks run investigations like the ones against Trump via the media instead of via law enforcement, because media doesn't require facts. Biden is unlelectable not just because he is a documented molester, but because he is falling apart, incompetent, and is also yes, a criminal.

[Viper1]

"I now recall speaking individually with Mr. (Andriy) Yermak, where I said resumption of U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks," Sondland said.

Updated his testimony.

Reading these transcripts is a slog. But interesting. I love how Trump is all. Talk to Rudy. Talk to Rudy. Talk to Rudy. I'm starting to feel sorry for Rudy. He's being made the patsy in order to try and insulate Trump. Soon enough I can see Trump starting to say he didn't know what Rudy was doing/saying.

[nutildah]

What irony?

Careful you don't break your necks sucking each other off too hard while you fantasize and project.

You don't see yourself doing the slightest bit of fantasizing and projection there? Whew lordy.

Do I have an entourage following me around agreeing with me like you do?

Not anymore.

I don't see any except for yours. IS it really though? Or does any space that doesn't immediately censor and ban anyone right of Mao Zedong qualify as a "right wing circle jerk" to you?

The only one attempting to do any censoring around these parts is you. Remember your whole thread in Meta about not being able to censor people you disagree with?

Real investigations are not done in public and take time.

They are so secretive that nobody ever hears about them and none of their findings ever result in any legal action. Pretty cool how when you are wrong about something you can just say, "...yet!!! Hasn't happened yet! It will someday though. Might be 20 years from now, but it could still happen! Therefore, I'm not wrong!" It really is a game-protect level maneuver.

Biden is unlelectable not just because he is a documented molester, but because he is falling apart, incompetent, and is also yes, a criminal.

 

[TECSHARE]

What irony?

Careful you don't break your necks sucking each other off too hard while you fantasize and project.

You don't see yourself doing the slightest bit of fantasizing and projection there? Whew lordy.

Do I have an entourage following me around agreeing with me like you do?

Not anymore.

I don't see any except for yours. IS it really though? Or does any space that doesn't immediately censor and ban anyone right of Mao Zedong qualify as a "right wing circle jerk" to you?

The only one attempting to do any censoring around these parts is you. Remember your whole thread in Meta about not being able to censor people you disagree with?

Real investigations are not done in public and take time.

They are so secretive that nobody ever hears about them and none of their findings ever result in any legal action. Pretty cool how when you are wrong about something you can just say, "...yet!!! Hasn't happened yet! It will someday though. Might be 20 years from now, but it could still happen! Therefore, I'm not wrong!" It really is a game-protect level maneuver.

Biden is unlelectable not just because he is a documented molester, but because he is falling apart, incompetent, and is also yes, a criminal.

 

I don't need an entourage, you seldom travel without one. Thanks for again proving you have trouble separating your personal feelings about discussions in Politics & Society and forum policy discussion in other sections. How long did the Russia-gate investigations last? 3 years? When did these accusations about manipulation in the 2016 elections start surfacing? Very recently. Democrats only allow investigations of their opponents though, investigations of anyone they support is just meddling of course.

[nutildah]

I don't need an entourage, you seldom travel without one.

Nobody has an "entourage", and neither is anybody traveling anywhere. This is a forum. I can't stop other people from writing comments, nor encourage them, nor do I try to. Anybody is free to do as they please.

Thanks for again proving you have trouble separating your personal feelings about discussions in Politics & Society and forum policy discussion in other sections.

Your projections don't change the fact that you're the only one here trying to do any censoring.

How long did the Russia-gate investigations last? 3 years? When did these accusations about manipulation in the 2016 elections start surfacing? Very recently.

Don't know, don't care. Its irrelevant to this discussion.

Democrats only allow investigations of their opponents though, investigations of anyone they support is just meddling of course.

 

[Viper1]

When did these accusations about manipulation in the 2016 elections start surfacing? Very recently.

You either have selective memory or are just out of the loop.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

One has to wonder why NOW is when Trump decided to make it an issue when he's had 2 1/2 years to have investigations happen. Oh wait. Election season. Gotcha. It's clear from one of the transcripts that Trump has a bone to pick with Ukraine saying "They screwed me". But now is the time for some pay back time for him and gain political advantage out of it cause that's what he does. Use his office to settle personal scores.

[TECSHARE]

I don't need an entourage, you seldom travel without one.

Nobody has an "entourage", and neither is anybody traveling anywhere. This is a forum. I can't stop other people from writing comments, nor encourage them, nor do I try to. Anybody is free to do as they please.

Thanks for again proving you have trouble separating your personal feelings about discussions in Politics & Society and forum policy discussion in other sections.

Your projections don't change the fact that you're the only one here trying to do any censoring.

How long did the Russia-gate investigations last? 3 years? When did these accusations about manipulation in the 2016 elections start surfacing? Very recently.

Don't know, don't care. Its irrelevant to this discussion.

Democrats only allow investigations of their opponents though, investigations of anyone they support is just meddling of course.

 

Whatever you say, here comes one now... ^

I don't have the power to censor anything. I am not a moderator. Also I report people when they break the rules, not because they make a point I think should be hidden.

What? 2016 election meddling via Ukraine by the Bidens is irrelevant to the discussion, but posts about nothing but personal attacks is "on topic" and "censorship" if reported? Yeah ok buddy.

When did these accusations about manipulation in the 2016 elections start surfacing? Very recently.

You either have selective memory or are just out of the loop.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

One has to wonder why NOW is when Trump decided to make it an issue when he's had 2 1/2 years to have investigations happen. Oh wait. Election season. Gotcha. It's clear from one of the transcripts that Trump has a bone to pick with Ukraine saying "They screwed me". But now is the time for some pay back time for him and gain political advantage out of it cause that's what he does. Use his office to settle personal scores.

One has to wonder how dense you have to be to not notice the connection between the investigations into Biden, and Ukraine meddling with the 2016 elections. Why make it an issue now? Might have something to do with the 3 years of Russia gate investigations making it difficult to do his job and run investigations of his own. So rather than immediately jumping into it and surely facing accusations of political interference, he let the investigation conclude, exposing itself as completely baseless, before exposing the ones involved with his own investigations. The 3 years of Russia gate of COURSE were not politically motivated right? Nor were the investigations of everyone who ever did Trumps landscaping or laundry. Now of course Trump thinks investigations of the other party are prudent, well of course all of that can only be motivated by politics right? You have so many holes in your brain when the wind blows it whistles.

[TwitchySeal]

Ukraine meddling with the 2016 elections.

Can you explain the "Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election" conspiracy theory for me?

Do people think that it was Ukraine, not Russia that was responsible for Hillarys emails being released?  I've been looking for evidence or a clear explanation but can't find anything other than the Crowdstrike stuff that has been debunked.

[TECSHARE]

Ukraine meddling with the 2016 elections.

Can you explain the "Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election" conspiracy theory for me?

Do people think that it was Ukraine, not Russia that was responsible for Hillarys emails being released?  I've been looking for evidence or a clear explanation but can't find anything other than the Crowdstrike stuff that has been debunked.

Yeah, just slap the word "debunked" on any problematic cognitive dissonance you encounter along the way. It makes life much easier. The FBI was never allowed access to the DNC server "The Russians" supposedly hacked. The only entity who had actually examined it an implicated the Russians based on their "analysis", that's right your "debunked" Crowd-strike. The same Crowdstrike that also has access to files deleted by the Clintons against a court order to preserve them, on a server.... in Ukraine. No connections whatsoever.

[TwitchySeal]

Ukraine meddling with the 2016 elections.

Can you explain the "Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election" conspiracy theory for me?

Do people think that it was Ukraine, not Russia that was responsible for Hillarys emails being released?  I've been looking for evidence or a clear explanation but can't find anything other than the Crowdstrike stuff that has been debunked.

Yeah, just slap the word "debunked" on any problematic cognitive dissonance you encounter along the way. It makes life much easier. The FBI was never allowed access to the DNC server "The Russians" supposedly hacked. The only entity who had actually examined it an implicated the Russians based on their "analysis", that's right your "debunked" Crowd-strike. The same Crowdstrike that also has access to files deleted by the Clintons against a court order to preserve them, on a server.... in Ukraine. No connections whatsoever.

Ok my bad. I guess the reason so many people consider it debunked is because the FBI indictment was incredibly detailed on exactly how and who hacked all the DNC officials and having the physical servers wouldn't be necessary to prove all of that.

So you think Ukraine and the democrats were responsible for the emails getting hacked and made public before the election?  

Or was it someone else and they were just trying to frame Russia?

[TECSHARE]

Ukraine meddling with the 2016 elections.

Can you explain the "Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election" conspiracy theory for me?

Do people think that it was Ukraine, not Russia that was responsible for Hillarys emails being released?  I've been looking for evidence or a clear explanation but can't find anything other than the Crowdstrike stuff that has been debunked.

Yeah, just slap the word "debunked" on any problematic cognitive dissonance you encounter along the way. It makes life much easier. The FBI was never allowed access to the DNC server "The Russians" supposedly hacked. The only entity who had actually examined it an implicated the Russians based on their "analysis", that's right your "debunked" Crowd-strike. The same Crowdstrike that also has access to files deleted by the Clintons against a court order to preserve them, on a server.... in Ukraine. No connections whatsoever.

Ok my bad. I guess the reason so many people consider it debunked is because the FBI indictment was incredibly detailed on exactly how and who hacked all the DNC officials and having the physical servers wouldn't be necessary to prove all of that.

So you think Ukraine and the democrats were responsible for the emails getting hacked and made public before the election?  

Or was it someone else and they were just trying to frame Russia?

Really? Your conclusion is not having government investigators have access to examine the very server on which the materials were allegedly hacked from is not a big deal because the FBI report was "detailed". What? The server is the primary piece of evidence, for the FBI to never examine it is at best extremely negligent, and at worst covering up something, especially in a circumstance of this importance.

Seth rich leaked the information from the inside, then he was murdered shortly after. That's when this whole Russia collusion narrative popped up to distract from the dead DNC insider who just leaked very damaging information and to point it all back at Trump in the classic "NO U!!!1" strategy the dems love so much to use. After all, if you accuse your opponent of what you yourself are guilty of, then any accusations superficially appear to be refractory now don't they? That is until the facts come out... and there are plenty of those unlike with Russia gate.

[Spendulus]

Ukraine meddling with the 2016 elections.

Can you explain the "Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election" conspiracy theory for me?

Do people think that it was Ukraine, not Russia that was responsible for Hillarys emails being released?  I've been looking for evidence or a clear explanation but can't find anything other than the Crowdstrike stuff that has been debunked.

If "debunked," why did Trump ask the Pres of Ukraine to look into it?

I guess what I'm asking is this. Do you know better and more than Trump?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9PY_3E3h2c

[TwitchySeal]

Ukraine meddling with the 2016 elections.

Can you explain the "Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election" conspiracy theory for me?

Do people think that it was Ukraine, not Russia that was responsible for Hillarys emails being released?  I've been looking for evidence or a clear explanation but can't find anything other than the Crowdstrike stuff that has been debunked.

If "debunked," why did Trump ask the Pres of Ukraine to look into it?

I guess what I'm asking is this. Do you know better and more than Trump?

It's basically just Trump saying "No U" to all the proof that Russia meddled in the election to help Trump get elected.
Also, he could use the fact that Ukraine is investigating the DNC to legitimize the conspiracy theory and use it as ammo to attack Democrats.


The whole theory really is pretty nuts.  I did some more research, the theory really is that Russia was not involved, it was the DNC and Ukraine that hacked the DNC and then leaked all those DNC emails.  I mean, come on.  

Also,
Crowdstrike isn't a Ukranian company.  It's located in California and publicly traded.

There's no evidence that the servers are in Ukraine or were ever in Ukraine.

The FBI did have access to the data from the servers.  They used it as evidence to indict 12 Russian hacker for hacking the DNC and other Democrats.  The indictment explains in detail exactly how they hacked the DNC. https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

There are a ton of examples like this one:

For example, on or about March 19, 2016, LUKASHEV and his co-conspirators
created and sent a spearphishing email to the chairman of the Clinton Campaign.
LUKASHEV used the account “john356gh” at an online service that abbreviated
lengthy website addresses (referred to as a “URL-shortening service”).
LUKASHEV used the account to mask a link contained in the spearphishing email,
which directed the recipient to a GRU-created website. LUKASHEV altered the
appearance of the sender email address in order to make it look like the email was
a security notification from Google (a technique known as “spoofing”), instructing
the user to change his password by clicking the embedded link. Those instructions
were followed. On or about March 21, 2016, LUKASHEV, YERMAKOV, and
their co-conspirators stole the contents of the chairman’s email account, which
consisted of over 50,000 emails.

[TECSHARE]

Ukraine meddling with the 2016 elections.

Can you explain the "Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election" conspiracy theory for me?

Do people think that it was Ukraine, not Russia that was responsible for Hillarys emails being released?  I've been looking for evidence or a clear explanation but can't find anything other than the Crowdstrike stuff that has been debunked.

If "debunked," why did Trump ask the Pres of Ukraine to look into it?

I guess what I'm asking is this. Do you know better and more than Trump?

It's basically just Trump saying "No U" to all the proof that Russia meddled in the election to help Trump get elected.
Also, he could use the fact that Ukraine is investigating the DNC to legitimize the conspiracy theory and use it as ammo to attack Democrats.


The whole theory really is pretty nuts.  I did some more research, the theory really is that Russia was not involved, it was the DNC and Ukraine that hacked the DNC and then leaked all those DNC emails.  I mean, come on.  

Also,
Crowdstrike isn't a Ukranian company.  It's located in California and publicly traded.

There's no evidence that the servers are in Ukraine or were ever in Ukraine.

The FBI did have access to the data from the servers.  They used it as evidence to indict 12 Russian hacker for hacking the DNC and other Democrats.  The indictment explains in detail exactly how they hacked the DNC. https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

There are a ton of examples like this one:

For example, on or about March 19, 2016, LUKASHEV and his co-conspirators
created and sent a spearphishing email to the chairman of the Clinton Campaign.
LUKASHEV used the account “john356gh” at an online service that abbreviated
lengthy website addresses (referred to as a “URL-shortening service”).
LUKASHEV used the account to mask a link contained in the spearphishing email,
which directed the recipient to a GRU-created website. LUKASHEV altered the
appearance of the sender email address in order to make it look like the email was
a security notification from Google (a technique known as “spoofing”), instructing
the user to change his password by clicking the embedded link. Those instructions
were followed. On or about March 21, 2016, LUKASHEV, YERMAKOV, and
their co-conspirators stole the contents of the chairman’s email account, which
consisted of over 50,000 emails.

What proof? The Russia investigations are over. There never was any proof. It has been 3 years, how much more time do you need to produce it? Some one who has a story about how they think it happened is not the same thing as physical evidence, such as the hardware itself. One is a theory, the other is physical evidence. Evidence now points to a coverup within the DNC of their own crimes. The fact that they never released the server to the FBI is a significant factor. Crowdstrike has the raw data. That is why Trump mentioned it in his phone call to the Ukrainian president, because he knew this would be a good opportunity to use the countless, endless, and baseless accusations against him to draw attention to some real election meddling in 2016, including physical evidence. Now millions of people are looking into Crowdstrike as Biden's long history of pay for play deals get exposed in the process.

By the way, still no comment on those non-subpoena subpoenas?

[TwitchySeal]

Ukraine meddling with the 2016 elections.

Can you explain the "Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election" conspiracy theory for me?

Do people think that it was Ukraine, not Russia that was responsible for Hillarys emails being released?  I've been looking for evidence or a clear explanation but can't find anything other than the Crowdstrike stuff that has been debunked.

If "debunked," why did Trump ask the Pres of Ukraine to look into it?

I guess what I'm asking is this. Do you know better and more than Trump?

It's basically just Trump saying "No U" to all the proof that Russia meddled in the election to help Trump get elected.
Also, he could use the fact that Ukraine is investigating the DNC to legitimize the conspiracy theory and use it as ammo to attack Democrats.


The whole theory really is pretty nuts.  I did some more research, the theory really is that Russia was not involved, it was the DNC and Ukraine that hacked the DNC and then leaked all those DNC emails.  I mean, come on.  

Also,
Crowdstrike isn't a Ukranian company.  It's located in California and publicly traded.

There's no evidence that the servers are in Ukraine or were ever in Ukraine.

The FBI did have access to the data from the servers.  They used it as evidence to indict 12 Russian hacker for hacking the DNC and other Democrats.  The indictment explains in detail exactly how they hacked the DNC. https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

There are a ton of examples like this one:

For example, on or about March 19, 2016, LUKASHEV and his co-conspirators
created and sent a spearphishing email to the chairman of the Clinton Campaign.
LUKASHEV used the account “john356gh” at an online service that abbreviated
lengthy website addresses (referred to as a “URL-shortening service”).
LUKASHEV used the account to mask a link contained in the spearphishing email,
which directed the recipient to a GRU-created website. LUKASHEV altered the
appearance of the sender email address in order to make it look like the email was
a security notification from Google (a technique known as “spoofing”), instructing
the user to change his password by clicking the embedded link. Those instructions
were followed. On or about March 21, 2016, LUKASHEV, YERMAKOV, and
their co-conspirators stole the contents of the chairman’s email account, which
consisted of over 50,000 emails.

What proof? The Russia investigations are over. There never was any proof. It has been 3 years, how much more time do you need to produce it? Some one who has a story about how they think it happened is not the same thing as physical evidence, such as the hardware itself. One is a theory, the other is physical evidence. Evidence now points to a coverup within the DNC of their own crimes. The fact that they never released the server to the FBI is a significant factor. Crowdstrike has the raw data. That is why Trump mentioned it in his phone call to the Ukrainian president, because he knew this would be a good opportunity to use the countless, endless, and baseless accusations against him to draw attention to some real election meddling in 2016, including physical evidence. Now millions of people are looking into Crowdstrike as Biden's long history of pay for play deals get exposed in the process.

By the way, still no comment on those non-subpoena subpoenas?

Digital evidence in a computer related crime is just as valuable (and admissible in court) in a computer related crime as physical evidence in a murder.  

Unless you're dusting for fingerprints or checking for DNA, an image of a hard drive or server is the exact same thing as having the actual hardware.  

It's not like when you take a picture of a picture, where you lose a little bit of quality each time.  When you image a drive it's a byte for byte exact digital duplicate.  There is no way to hide anything from  being digitally imaged, including data that may have been deleted but recoverable.

For these reason, it's standard practice to image a drive when practical rather than physically seize it.  Also, I'm pretty sure when they actually seize computers or servers, they just image the hard drive and any ram and then investigate the images.  Not 100% sure how the FBI does it, but many other LE agencies do it that way.

It also seems incredibly unlikely that anyone could trick the FBI digital forensics team (world class) into thinking all those hacks happened at those exact times and dates by those exact Russians.




We've already discussed the subpoenas.  I think they're legal, you think they're not actually subpoenas. I think a judge is going to rule on a couple soon (McGhan and Bolton I think), so we'll get to find out for sure.  If I'm wrong I will definitely let you know I was wrong and you were right.